Just another dead on the road 2013 EcoBoost that Ford Won't Fix
10-17-2015, 04:19 PM
#122
Yeah, they probably set the points and adjusted the timing on the distributor as well
10-17-2015, 08:12 PM
#123
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10-17-2015, 08:54 PM
#126
Senior Member
10-18-2015, 10:06 AM
#127
What/which TSB?
I find the standard water-in-the-intercooler theory lacking. As far as I know, other turbo'ed and intercooled engine don't experience similar problems. For that reason, IF it is due to accumulated water in the intercooler, I suspect there is some wind (cross wind actually) condition under which the truck's aerodynamics feed water into the air intake.
Driver error may be part of the problem, too: Following too close to another vehicle while driving in heavy rain, resulting in ingesting road spray. Notice that many of the anecdotes contain something to the effect that it was raining and as I pulled out to pass another vehicle and stepped on the gas...
I hope Ford does not try to say driver error is the problem, since as I've said, other turbo'ed vehicles don't have the issue.
I find the standard water-in-the-intercooler theory lacking. As far as I know, other turbo'ed and intercooled engine don't experience similar problems. For that reason, IF it is due to accumulated water in the intercooler, I suspect there is some wind (cross wind actually) condition under which the truck's aerodynamics feed water into the air intake.
Driver error may be part of the problem, too: Following too close to another vehicle while driving in heavy rain, resulting in ingesting road spray. Notice that many of the anecdotes contain something to the effect that it was raining and as I pulled out to pass another vehicle and stepped on the gas...
I hope Ford does not try to say driver error is the problem, since as I've said, other turbo'ed vehicles don't have the issue.
I have not had performance issues with my three EB's, but I had horrible gas milage on my first 2011 F150. The other two have been good engines for me although when you stress an EB, and even though it has a lot of head room (torque, HP, Etc) the engine get's horrible gas milage due to the turbo being on all the time.
I worry about long term. I believe that turbo issues will be the death mell for this engine and ten years down the road we will find many EB's in the junk yard with it's associated chassis's because of **** poor engineering. In other words, the EB was designed to provide high HP at a lower mpg overall and in doing that you have to stress the engine using a turbo (or a supercharger for that matter). Engines stressed all the time will eventually fail, look at race engines which last three or four hours before they are overhauled.
The first opportunity I have I will get a normal FI engine'd vehicle and it may not be a Ford.
10-18-2015, 12:13 PM
#128
Junior Member
Totally Agree !
Here's the update. I got the typical customer service script that every other company in the world now has. They won't do anything, i'm not really disappointed, I kind of expected it. Every company in the world is against the consumer. They try to cheat, chisel, delay fillibuster anything to make you go away, anything to get another nickel out of you.
Ford has proven to me their customer service is no better than a cable company or cell phone provider.
But the upside, it's a lease up in February. They won't fix it, no skin off my backside. They are getting it back as is. I wish I could warn the next guy who buys it used.
Ford Customer Service called me and after about 10 minutes of fillibustering and repeating the call center script I was annoyed. So for all of you looking to buy a Ford truck here is the company position.
Problem: 2013 F-150 Dies on the freeway 3 times in approx. 2 weeks. There is a TSB that address this problem but for some reason my truck doesn't qualify (maybe I have to cause a pile up on the freeway to qualify I don't know).
Ford's position:
1. Dealer can't duplicate it we can't do anything.
- So the truck is supposed to die in the dealer parking lot?
2. If it happens again, leave it running and call us to tow it to a dealership so we can get the code. Sure no problem, I don't work or anything, I can just randomly miss 1/2 a day.
- If I restart the truck in wrench mode the code gets cleared.
- Ford..question. Wouldn't a set of spark plugs and plug boots be cheaper than a tow? Are you guys that short sighted? Plugs and boots what $50 bucks? Tow $350? REALLY?
So for Ford to fix it, they REQUIRE the truck to die again, putting me, my wife and unborn baby (sounds exaggerated but not..i'm gonna be a daddy!!) in another potentially dangerous situation. I have to take 1/2 a day off work while they tow it into a dealership STILL RUNNING IN LIMP MODE.
This was my first F-150 and my last. Sorry Ford it's over, you had a chance to shine and create a loyal customer but you failed. I'm turning it in off lease in February and you can sell a defective used truck to the next person, further tarnishing your reputation. I'm not playing your customer service games. Forget you!.
Ford has proven to me their customer service is no better than a cable company or cell phone provider.
But the upside, it's a lease up in February. They won't fix it, no skin off my backside. They are getting it back as is. I wish I could warn the next guy who buys it used.
Ford Customer Service called me and after about 10 minutes of fillibustering and repeating the call center script I was annoyed. So for all of you looking to buy a Ford truck here is the company position.
Problem: 2013 F-150 Dies on the freeway 3 times in approx. 2 weeks. There is a TSB that address this problem but for some reason my truck doesn't qualify (maybe I have to cause a pile up on the freeway to qualify I don't know).
Ford's position:
1. Dealer can't duplicate it we can't do anything.
- So the truck is supposed to die in the dealer parking lot?
2. If it happens again, leave it running and call us to tow it to a dealership so we can get the code. Sure no problem, I don't work or anything, I can just randomly miss 1/2 a day.
- If I restart the truck in wrench mode the code gets cleared.
- Ford..question. Wouldn't a set of spark plugs and plug boots be cheaper than a tow? Are you guys that short sighted? Plugs and boots what $50 bucks? Tow $350? REALLY?
So for Ford to fix it, they REQUIRE the truck to die again, putting me, my wife and unborn baby (sounds exaggerated but not..i'm gonna be a daddy!!) in another potentially dangerous situation. I have to take 1/2 a day off work while they tow it into a dealership STILL RUNNING IN LIMP MODE.
This was my first F-150 and my last. Sorry Ford it's over, you had a chance to shine and create a loyal customer but you failed. I'm turning it in off lease in February and you can sell a defective used truck to the next person, further tarnishing your reputation. I'm not playing your customer service games. Forget you!.
I have never been able to have a repair done correctly the first time, always required a second (or third) visit - and a second (or third) deductible payment for repairs that were not done correctly the first time.
They have worked on mt gas tank and filler 3 times, and still can't get it right (every time I fill up the cabin smells of gas, and I don't top it). Gas also comes out of the filler and runs down the side of the truck. Not when I fill it, but after I go down the road a ways.
This is the absolute last FORD product I will ever own. Sad to say, I am a made in USA guy - but Detroit still doesn't give a damn about the consumer. The dealer service is absolute
.Toyota here I come!
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10-18-2015, 12:13 PM
#129
IMHO: Its a combinaiton of condensation and water cooling the MAF due to these three things.
1. Compressed air heats up - Hot air holds more water.
2. Cooled air can't hold as much water as hot, when the compressed air hits the intercooler gets cooled very fast, some of the water precipitates out.
3. Mass airflow sensors use a "hot wire" to measure the airflow (http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage060.html) when the water from the intercooler hits the "hot wire" in the MAF it super cools the MAF briefly. The MAF sends an "out of range" voltage to the CPU and the CPU puts the truck in limp mode because it thinks the MAF is defective...and that can cause serious damage to the engine.
Thats why they won't fix it. The MAF must be allowed to send the "out of range" for reasons other than water in the intercooler, like if the MAF is truely manfunctioning. So all they can try to do is heat the intercooler up to vaporize the water (block the airflow with that previous TSB) to vaporize the water more quickly...or just fillibuster the customers until the trucks die on their own.
It's bad and or cheap design, intercooler condensation is not new, Ford just dropped the ball. In the past, some condensation didn't matter much. Just run it through the carb and go on with life. But turbos controlled electroniclly are more tricky for reasons like i've described above. If Ford would put a 1000 -1500 millisecond delay in the software before the MAF can send the engine into limp mode, it might solve this problem all together. I'm no engineer but I can't believe this got through the design comittee at Ford. Unbelievable.
Since Ford won't work on it anymore and they are ok with bad design. The only answer left is to drill a hole in the intercooler like has been previously mentioned. As described a pin hole will allow the water out, and the tubos have enough capacity to overcome the tiny loss in boost.
1. Compressed air heats up - Hot air holds more water.
2. Cooled air can't hold as much water as hot, when the compressed air hits the intercooler gets cooled very fast, some of the water precipitates out.
3. Mass airflow sensors use a "hot wire" to measure the airflow (http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage060.html) when the water from the intercooler hits the "hot wire" in the MAF it super cools the MAF briefly. The MAF sends an "out of range" voltage to the CPU and the CPU puts the truck in limp mode because it thinks the MAF is defective...and that can cause serious damage to the engine.
Thats why they won't fix it. The MAF must be allowed to send the "out of range" for reasons other than water in the intercooler, like if the MAF is truely manfunctioning. So all they can try to do is heat the intercooler up to vaporize the water (block the airflow with that previous TSB) to vaporize the water more quickly...or just fillibuster the customers until the trucks die on their own.
It's bad and or cheap design, intercooler condensation is not new, Ford just dropped the ball. In the past, some condensation didn't matter much. Just run it through the carb and go on with life. But turbos controlled electroniclly are more tricky for reasons like i've described above. If Ford would put a 1000 -1500 millisecond delay in the software before the MAF can send the engine into limp mode, it might solve this problem all together. I'm no engineer but I can't believe this got through the design comittee at Ford. Unbelievable.
Since Ford won't work on it anymore and they are ok with bad design. The only answer left is to drill a hole in the intercooler like has been previously mentioned. As described a pin hole will allow the water out, and the tubos have enough capacity to overcome the tiny loss in boost.
10-18-2015, 12:41 PM
#130
Senior Member
IMHO: Its a combinaiton of condensation and water cooling the MAF due to these three things.
1. Compressed air heats up - Hot air holds more water.
2. Cooled air can't hold as much water as hot, when the compressed air hits the intercooler gets cooled very fast, some of the water precipitates out.
3. Mass airflow sensors use a "hot wire" to measure the airflow (http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage060.html) when the water from the intercooler hits the "hot wire" in the MAF it super cools the MAF briefly. The MAF sends an "out of range" voltage to the CPU and the CPU puts the truck in limp mode because it thinks the MAF is defective...and that can cause serious damage to the engine.
Thats why they won't fix it. The MAF must be allowed to send the "out of range" for reasons other than water in the intercooler, like if the MAF is truely manfunctioning. So all they can try to do is heat the intercooler up to vaporize the water (block the airflow with that previous TSB) to vaporize the water more quickly...or just fillibuster the customers until the trucks die on their own.
It's bad and or cheap design, intercooler condensation is not new, Ford just dropped the ball. In the past, some condensation didn't matter much. Just run it through the carb and go on with life. But turbos controlled electroniclly are more tricky for reasons like i've described above. If Ford would put a 1000 -1500 millisecond delay in the software before the MAF can send the engine into limp mode, it might solve this problem all together. I'm no engineer but I can't believe this got through the design comittee at Ford. Unbelievable.
Since Ford won't work on it anymore and they are ok with bad design. The only answer left is to drill a hole in the intercooler like has been previously mentioned. As described a pin hole will allow the water out, and the tubos have enough capacity to overcome the tiny loss in boost.
1. Compressed air heats up - Hot air holds more water.
2. Cooled air can't hold as much water as hot, when the compressed air hits the intercooler gets cooled very fast, some of the water precipitates out.
3. Mass airflow sensors use a "hot wire" to measure the airflow (http://www.sensorland.com/HowPage060.html) when the water from the intercooler hits the "hot wire" in the MAF it super cools the MAF briefly. The MAF sends an "out of range" voltage to the CPU and the CPU puts the truck in limp mode because it thinks the MAF is defective...and that can cause serious damage to the engine.
Thats why they won't fix it. The MAF must be allowed to send the "out of range" for reasons other than water in the intercooler, like if the MAF is truely manfunctioning. So all they can try to do is heat the intercooler up to vaporize the water (block the airflow with that previous TSB) to vaporize the water more quickly...or just fillibuster the customers until the trucks die on their own.
It's bad and or cheap design, intercooler condensation is not new, Ford just dropped the ball. In the past, some condensation didn't matter much. Just run it through the carb and go on with life. But turbos controlled electroniclly are more tricky for reasons like i've described above. If Ford would put a 1000 -1500 millisecond delay in the software before the MAF can send the engine into limp mode, it might solve this problem all together. I'm no engineer but I can't believe this got through the design comittee at Ford. Unbelievable.
Since Ford won't work on it anymore and they are ok with bad design. The only answer left is to drill a hole in the intercooler like has been previously mentioned. As described a pin hole will allow the water out, and the tubos have enough capacity to overcome the tiny loss in boost.