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EPA MPG vs real world MPG clarified

Old 02-07-2014, 11:16 AM
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I get worse mileage in MN than I do after I fill up in another state. The 10% ethanol mandated by law in MN really does have a negative effect. It's not unnoticeable like the bureaucrats who mandated it said it would be. I know it should be marginal, but its noticeable.

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if the different size tires raise the vehicle slightly it will effect mileage. also bigger tires in a city environment will drop mileage. I run lifted trucks for work and my trucks get 7 mpg in the city. I run metric tires that are over 33" when well used and measured when they are mounted on the vehicle under the vehicles weight. which is not how the tire companies measure tires. 3.73 isn't a real low gear anyway if you had lower in both truck the difference would be much less between the two, even though it would be lower overall. thisis if the tires are different in diameter/circumference. sometimes lower gear doesn't make mileage worst but that isn't the case 98% of the time. I have talked to guys with the new 6.4 in the ram and the 4.10 gears seem to net them the same if not better mileage by a small margin. when I was looking at ram trucks to buy the tire size from 17" to the 20" was about a inch and a half. that means the truck can be almost 1 inch taller so it pushes more wind, taller tires are harder to turn from a stop.
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Originally Posted by balreadysaid
if the different size tires raise the vehicle slightly it will effect mileage. also bigger tires in a city environment will drop mileage. I run lifted trucks for work and my trucks get 7 mpg in the city. I run metric tires that are over 33" when well used and measured when they are mounted on the vehicle under the vehicles weight. which is not how the tire companies measure tires. 3.73 isn't a real low gear anyway if you had lower in both truck the difference would be much less between the two, even though it would be lower overall. this is if the tires are different in diameter/circumference. sometimes lower gear doesn't make mileage worst but that isn't the case 98% of the time. I have talked to guys with the new 6.4 in the ram and the 4.10 gears seem to net them the same if not better mileage by a small margin. when I was looking at ram trucks to buy the tire size from 17" to the 20" was about a inch and a half. that means the truck can be almost 1 inch taller so it pushes more wind, taller tires are harder to turn from a stop.
I agree of course the frontal area of the truck itself has not changed, but the bigger tires have more exposure to the wind and this underside of the truck is that much higher above the ground witch will allow a little more aero resistance
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So is there any consensus on dropping the truck and inch or two and mileage?
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Are you going to use smaller skinnier tires to lower it, they have less rolling resistance and drag so that way there might be a infinitesimal MPG gain. Of course it would look odd and reduce the weight carrying capability and likely make a harsher ride and handling would be who knows where.
The only reason to do it with lower springs is because you like the look. You are messing with the suspension geometry though.
How much would you have to save to cover the cost?
I'm just guessing, doesn't mean I'm correct.
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Well that's what my wife says…."you're going to take a suspension created by a team of engineers and mess it all up" so I hear you there. Maybe finding the lowest rolling resistance tires of the same size would be best when my stock tires wear out. My truck is a grocery getter so capacity doesn't matter but skinny tires would like kinda weird.
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Originally Posted by Grouseguy
I get worse mileage in MN than I do after I fill up in another state. The 10% ethanol mandated by law in MN really does have a negative effect. It's not unnoticeable like the bureaucrats who mandated it said it would be. I know it should be marginal, but its noticeable.

The Ethanol is Only good for the farmers not the vehicle. :-)
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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy
Well that's what my wife says…."you're going to take a suspension created by a team of engineers and mess it all up" so I hear you there. Maybe finding the lowest rolling resistance tires of the same size would be best when my stock tires wear out. My truck is a grocery getter so capacity doesn't matter but skinny tires would like kinda weird.
My original tires were Hankook 235/75/17's. I got 80,000 miles on them before taking them off. At 70,000 I bought my friends GoodYear 265/70/18's from him and my mileage dropped about 2-3 mpg. I ran them for about 4,000 miles and put my originals back on. Mileage went back up. I finally decided not to push it and put the 18's back on and mileage dropped again.
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Originally Posted by rmorris1953
67,000 miles never been to the shop except for oil changes

Most trips I average 21 to 22 mpg. 1 trip of a 1,000 miles (Wichita ks to Atlanta Ga) 23.8 mpg.

Trip from Wichita, Ks to Detroit, Mi 23.8 mpg

3.15 gear ratio with Hankook P235-75r17 nitrogen filled tires.

A friend bought new rims and tires for his 4X4 SCB XLT so since my tires had 65,000 and look like I could get another 10 out them I decided to buy his rims and tires.

P275-65r18 no nitrogen

Now my gas mileage sucks....... Can't get 20 mpg Where I constantly got 21 to 22 now I am lucky to get 18. Pulling my 4,000 lb trailer where I use to get 16 to 18 depending on wind now is 13 to 15 mpg.

So here is the question? Was it the nitrogen in the tires that gave me the good mpg?

The tires now altho are taller should have just changed the speedometer making it slower. It is slower by 3 mph now.

I am thinking it is the width of the tire. These tires are a lot wider. More rubber on the pavement more wind drag.
Just starting here...If your tires are taller, they are bigger around. one rotation = a few more inches in distance traveled. Our odometers don't know we have bigger tires, they record fewer revolutions of the tires, driveshaft, tranny. I learned that one with low profile tires on a Vdub. Check your odometer against mile markers on your next long distance highway trip.
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Originally Posted by Achigan
Just starting here...If your tires are taller, they are bigger around. one rotation = a few more inches in distance traveled. Our odometers don't know we have bigger tires, they record fewer revolutions of the tires, driveshaft, tranny. I learned that one with low profile tires on a Vdub. Check your odometer against mile markers on your next long distance highway trip.
By GPS the smaller tires (17") I was running 2 mph fast on odometer and with the bigger ones (18") 2 mph slower (odometer says 58 mph and was going 60 mph) by GPS..... I will say computer is closer with the fill up with the 18" than it was with the 17".

But even with the computer being off by a little I wasn't getting near the mileage between fill ups with the 18".

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