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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 11:31 AM
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I just bought a 2017 F150 XL. There was no factory installed engine block heater. We live in MN, and I am used to all of our vehicles having block heaters. I have been told recently newer engine designs do not necessarily require a block heater. With the current cold weather and continued lows in the negative range, would it be required or recommended to get a block heater installed?

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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 12:40 PM
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I live in upstate NY, and have never had a block heater on a vehicle, and have had no problems in spite of seeing sub zero temperatures every winter. While I would definitely want it on a diesel, on a gas engine with modern multigrade oils I just haven't seen the need for it.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 12:56 PM
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Thanks fellas!
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 01:09 PM
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My 2018 came with a block heater installed. I bought the truck in Laramie, WY and am surprised yours did not come with one installed. I would check on getting one installed even if you don't at least you will know the cost.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 03:25 PM
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I'm in Idaho and though it hasn't been bad this winter it's not uncommon for us to go sub zero for days at a time. I see a block heater as cheap insurance. Yes, with modern oils it may not be needed but, you also won't hurt anything by using one. I plan on using a kats oil pan heater, just cheap insurance and may get some more miles out of the truck.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAltitude
I cringe when I read about proud owners with remote starts idling to warmup for 15 minutes. Long idling is hard on an engine especially after cold start up, and a waste of fuel.
Does it get to -20F where you live very often?

I've had block heaters in several of my work vans (mostly E350's through the years), but never plugged one in. They started every time well into the -20'sF.
Let them warm up a bit, and roll.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 04:38 PM
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When I ordered my 2016 they said I can't order one with a factory block heater in it in the state of Illinois
So I bought one and they installed it it doesn't seem to make a huge difference like the one in my last vehicle did.
My last vehicle cranked like a summer day with the Block heater, my vehicle now Cranks the same no matter what and doesn't seem to get heat any faster They probably didn't hook it up right ha
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAltitude
In the most extreme, I see lows well below -20F, but see -20 infrequently. Common low temps are usually in the 0 to -15 range. The matter of how cold you can get an engine to start is only a part of the matter. The other part, is the damage caused by extreme cold starts to an engine. There is simply no basis to say: 'no problem'. A block heater completely avoids cold start damage and assures a cold start without question.

If this was truly an issue, there would be a caveat in every warranty on the books covering this contingency, or every vehicle would have a block heater in is as standard equipment. Oil isn't water, and modern oils are made to withstand the extremes. They flow extremely well in extreme cold temps and do their job very well.

Many, many things used to exist that are no longer required. The military used to have separate oils for winter conditions. They don't any longer. Modern formulations eliminate the need. Ditto for fuel and grease.

In the same vein, just because engines with carburetors, relatively low voltage spark systems and other challenges due to the technology of the era in which they were engineered had block heaters doesn't mean they are still required with modern engines.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 10:42 PM
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It's -35C where I work, and i have no place to plug my truck into in the parking lot. I use my remote start and let it idle for 15 minutes, I know its not the greatest but its better then starting it and driving it on a cold engine.
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Old Dec 28, 2017 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BadAltitude

The other part is the foul, overly rich fuel condensate collecting on the emission control passages and sensors. This is simply fostering carbon build up on ice cold parts.
Modern injection systems adjust for temperatures and run lean until operating temps are achieved.

Modern sensors and programming can adapt to many, many conditions.

To each their own, however, engineering is engineering.
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