View Poll Results: Ignoring cost; what factor would you need to change to electric car?
300 Miles, Charge time less than 10 minutes at a gas station
11
30.56%
300 Miles, Charge time less than 15 minutes at a gas station
7
19.44%
300 Miles, Charge time less than 20 minutes at a gas station
3
8.33%
300 Miles, Charge time less than 25 minutes at a gas station
0
0%
Range of 200 Miles
1
2.78%
Range of 300 Miles
1
2.78%
Range of 400 Miles
6
16.67%
Range Over 400 Miles
14
38.89%
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Electric Vehicles - Any parameters would consider making the switch?
02-22-2019, 11:47 AM
#1
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Electric Vehicles - Any parameters would consider making the switch?
So Ford has yet to make it's BIG announcement as it already has made an announcement with a focus on bringing out both hybrid and electric vehicles. I believe they think they can make electric vehicles more practical and affordable. I certainly hope they can. Also this could vary greatly depending on what vehicle you are looking to purchase. Car, truck, suv? The 9 million variants and combinations inbetween.
Pure electric motors have many advantages over the ICE. For F150 owners I am sure the torque will be very welcomed. The maintenance will ideally be lower for all vehicles. It is a greener option, but not totally green because coal still hasto be burned.
Let's try to proceed with this discussion as if the cost difference it negligible. This factor alone deters many initial buyers.
I personally think charge time is the #1 factor that can only make fully electric cars feasible. I know that there are some cars on the market that can have the engine charge the batteries to keep you going but this adds cost to the vehicle to have two systems. What if it's possible to get the charge time down to a reasonable time? Could the power grid even support this? This would mean gas stations would invest in superchargers to make the network vast.
My only other thought would be having an option where we could have interchangeable batteries. This would mean that all cars would have standardize on a battery type that is accepted by all. However, keeping stock of these, charging them, and having machines deal with the work of replacing them seems like a mountain you cannot get over.
Pure electric motors have many advantages over the ICE. For F150 owners I am sure the torque will be very welcomed. The maintenance will ideally be lower for all vehicles. It is a greener option, but not totally green because coal still hasto be burned.
Let's try to proceed with this discussion as if the cost difference it negligible. This factor alone deters many initial buyers.
I personally think charge time is the #1 factor that can only make fully electric cars feasible. I know that there are some cars on the market that can have the engine charge the batteries to keep you going but this adds cost to the vehicle to have two systems. What if it's possible to get the charge time down to a reasonable time? Could the power grid even support this? This would mean gas stations would invest in superchargers to make the network vast.
My only other thought would be having an option where we could have interchangeable batteries. This would mean that all cars would have standardize on a battery type that is accepted by all. However, keeping stock of these, charging them, and having machines deal with the work of replacing them seems like a mountain you cannot get over.
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02-22-2019, 11:51 AM
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No thanks, I will stick with my gas engines. Nothing against electric vehicles, just not my thing. but if i had to change..
my F150 can go well over 500 miles on a tank of fuel. An electric vehicle would have to match that, also charge time would have to be no longer than it takes to fill with gas. I don't want to be on my way to myrtle beach only to have to stop for a several hour period to recharge
my F150 can go well over 500 miles on a tank of fuel. An electric vehicle would have to match that, also charge time would have to be no longer than it takes to fill with gas. I don't want to be on my way to myrtle beach only to have to stop for a several hour period to recharge
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02-22-2019, 12:27 PM
#4
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Those with no EV experience fixate on charge time. Silly because the EV starts every morning with a full charge. So the only charge time (not recharge) matters is for days in excess of your battery capacity.
My 5 year old Tesla adds 100 miles to the SOC (State Of Charge) in 15-20 minutes at Tesla Superchargers. The rate slows as the battery fills. A 540 mile day I have driven many times requires 3 stops of about 30 minutes each. If honest one will admit it is best to stop every 2-3 hours no matter what one is driving.
When I bought 5 years ago the terms included free lifetime use of Tesla Superchargers. I can drive all day every day for only the cost of tire rubber. When paying at home the cost is about 3.5¢/mile. At $2.059/gallon the cost equivalent is 58.8 MPG.
My 5 year old Tesla adds 100 miles to the SOC (State Of Charge) in 15-20 minutes at Tesla Superchargers. The rate slows as the battery fills. A 540 mile day I have driven many times requires 3 stops of about 30 minutes each. If honest one will admit it is best to stop every 2-3 hours no matter what one is driving.
When I bought 5 years ago the terms included free lifetime use of Tesla Superchargers. I can drive all day every day for only the cost of tire rubber. When paying at home the cost is about 3.5¢/mile. At $2.059/gallon the cost equivalent is 58.8 MPG.
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02-22-2019, 02:14 PM
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Those with no EV experience fixate on charge time. Silly because the EV starts every morning with a full charge. So the only charge time (not recharge) matters is for days in excess of your battery capacity.
My 5 year old Tesla adds 100 miles to the SOC (State Of Charge) in 15-20 minutes at Tesla Superchargers. The rate slows as the battery fills. A 540 mile day I have driven many times requires 3 stops of about 30 minutes each. If honest one will admit it is best to stop every 2-3 hours no matter what one is driving.
When I bought 5 years ago the terms included free lifetime use of Tesla Superchargers. I can drive all day every day for only the cost of tire rubber. When paying at home the cost is about 3.5¢/mile. At $2.059/gallon the cost equivalent is 58.8 MPG.
My 5 year old Tesla adds 100 miles to the SOC (State Of Charge) in 15-20 minutes at Tesla Superchargers. The rate slows as the battery fills. A 540 mile day I have driven many times requires 3 stops of about 30 minutes each. If honest one will admit it is best to stop every 2-3 hours no matter what one is driving.
When I bought 5 years ago the terms included free lifetime use of Tesla Superchargers. I can drive all day every day for only the cost of tire rubber. When paying at home the cost is about 3.5¢/mile. At $2.059/gallon the cost equivalent is 58.8 MPG.
The reason why I say getting charge times down is because if electricity is going to replace gas then the "refill stations" simply cannot take 30 minutes for the masses. It would cause a massive hold up at "gas stations". I think if you can get it under 15 minutes then that's respectable. Then again this is assuming that you would have the same number of refill point. Maybe there would be more? Maybe electricity prices start getting posted and there isn't a big fluctuation in prices? The model changes so much but it's fun to think about.
02-22-2019, 05:05 PM
#6
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However, I have a question for you. When you stop for your 30 minute drive, do you go a purchase coffee, tea, soft drink? Get a bite to eat? Would you have done that with a gas vehicle? If not, then technically the charge isn't free to your overall pocket.
On a round trip to Birmingham the Supercharger is in a pay parking lot (rare). So it is either $2 for parking or $3.50 for a cup of coffee and validated parking.
The reason why I say getting charge times down is because if electricity is going to replace gas then the "refill stations" simply cannot take 30 minutes for the masses. It would cause a massive hold up at "gas stations". I think if you can get it under 15 minutes then that's respectable. Then again this is assuming that you would have the same number of refill point. Maybe there would be more? Maybe electricity prices start getting posted and there isn't a big fluctuation in prices? The model changes so much but it's fun to think about.
Automakers do not build gas stations and are lazily expecting government to fund crony capitalists to build them. All but Tesla who currently has 619 sites operating in the USA most with at least 8 charging stalls. 23 known under construction, 53 known permits issued but ground not broke. No one else comes close.
There is a big problem with non-Tesla charging stations in that most charge more for electricity than gasoline would have cost. Some are free but only provide 7 kW rate which is only 19 miles of range per hour in my Model S. Could live with that rate as an overnight charge but is not worth the effort at the grocery store.
Think a bit about how much power you are asking for arbitrarily high charge rate? Tesla Superchargers currently max at 120 kW (approximately 400V @ 300A). That is 3X the power delivered to a home with 200A service. Is amazing to me that this quantity can be handled safely by the average idiot driver.
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02-22-2019, 05:19 PM
#7
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Those with no EV experience fixate on charge time. Silly because the EV starts every morning with a full charge. So the only charge time (not recharge) matters is for days in excess of your battery capacity.
My 5 year old Tesla adds 100 miles to the SOC (State Of Charge) in 15-20 minutes at Tesla Superchargers. The rate slows as the battery fills. A 540 mile day I have driven many times requires 3 stops of about 30 minutes each. If honest one will admit it is best to stop every 2-3 hours no matter what one is driving.
When I bought 5 years ago the terms included free lifetime use of Tesla Superchargers. I can drive all day every day for only the cost of tire rubber. When paying at home the cost is about 3.5¢/mile. At $2.059/gallon the cost equivalent is 58.8 MPG.
My 5 year old Tesla adds 100 miles to the SOC (State Of Charge) in 15-20 minutes at Tesla Superchargers. The rate slows as the battery fills. A 540 mile day I have driven many times requires 3 stops of about 30 minutes each. If honest one will admit it is best to stop every 2-3 hours no matter what one is driving.
When I bought 5 years ago the terms included free lifetime use of Tesla Superchargers. I can drive all day every day for only the cost of tire rubber. When paying at home the cost is about 3.5¢/mile. At $2.059/gallon the cost equivalent is 58.8 MPG.
The problem with the numbers you show (3.5 cents a mile) is that that may be the range you get with your Tesla, but you have no idea if that is the range that someone would get with a much heavier F-150.
Having had this vehicle for 5 months, the slow charging that it has (no where near Tesla speeds) makes it totally unsuitable for any long term trip ON BATTERY POWER even if the battery was larger. Of course one would expect Ford to know that they can't have an F-150 that doesn't charge as fast as a Tesla.
Another issue is planning a trip where charging exists. Even in a "green" town (Ann Arbor), unless I want to pay to park in a parking garage I'm not going to find a charger except for one that happens to be at the electric company's office - which I've hit 3 times after 5PM and had success 2 of the 3 times.
In cold weather, our 21 mile range is 14 or less. Turn on the heater and you're done for.
Again, we didn't buy it for the plug-in capacity, we bought it because it was thousands cheaper than the hybrid and cheaper than the gas model we would have purchased. We previously had a 2010 hybrid and it's fine for my wife's commute.
I wouldn't hesitate to take ours on a trip, because the hybrid component gives us around 37mpg on the highway and around 42 locally. Love it. But the trunk is very, very tiny due to the plug in batteries. I can't wait to see where they put the F-150's batteries, and what it does to either payload or storage capacity.
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02-22-2019, 06:48 PM
#8
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Having had this vehicle for 5 months, the slow charging that it has (no where near Tesla speeds) makes it totally unsuitable for any long term trip ON BATTERY POWER even if the battery was larger. Of course one would expect Ford to know that they can't have an F-150 that doesn't charge as fast as a Tesla.
02-22-2019, 07:07 PM
#9
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This generator will run 9+ hours on a gallon of gas. Why couldn't something like this be built into the vehicle somewhere and come on just long enough to recharge batteries as the truck is driven. If you could get 300 miles to a charge, and if it took 30 minutes to recharge while on the move you could drive 5400 miles on 1 gallon of gas.
https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect...SABEgIjIvD_BwE
https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect...SABEgIjIvD_BwE
02-22-2019, 07:27 PM
#10
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No electric vehicle for me at least in the foreseeable future.
All this electric vehicle talk just when the USA is now the number one producer of natural energy products in the world thanks to pipelines finally approved and drilling regulations slackened from the previous administration.
If you all want more torque out of your engines, lobby for superchargers.
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All this electric vehicle talk just when the USA is now the number one producer of natural energy products in the world thanks to pipelines finally approved and drilling regulations slackened from the previous administration.
If you all want more torque out of your engines, lobby for superchargers.
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