Dealer says 14mpg mixed is normal this time of year
01-11-2018, 12:37 PM
#121
Senior Member
It's a brand new engine as well. I wouldn't buy an engine the first year it was produced either.
Comparing this engine with a Cummins diesel engine is apples to oranges.
I just ordered my truck with the 3.5 ECO. I knew the diesel was right around the corner and I never gave the diesel a second thought.
He seems majorly concerned with his MPG so it sounds like that is the factor...correct me if I am wrong.
Comparing this engine with a Cummins diesel engine is apples to oranges.
I just ordered my truck with the 3.5 ECO. I knew the diesel was right around the corner and I never gave the diesel a second thought.
He seems majorly concerned with his MPG so it sounds like that is the factor...correct me if I am wrong.
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01-11-2018, 12:38 PM
#122
And, in an effort to stay on topic I would like to report that my MPG has gotten better with our temperatures getting back into the 50's recently. I'm still amazed at how much temperature can effect our mileage. I swear my last vehicle wasn't as sensitive to lower temperatures...but I don't recall paying that much attention to it.
01-11-2018, 01:08 PM
#123
Gone Golfin
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Your foot
quality of gas
tires (weight)
tires inflated properly
weather-temps-wind
idling
speed
maintenance
I'm sure I've missed a few. This is why there is no way two people are going to get the same mileage, even with the exact same vehicle.
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01-11-2018, 01:54 PM
#124
It's a brand new engine as well. I wouldn't buy an engine the first year it was produced either.
Comparing this engine with a Cummins diesel engine is apples to oranges.
I just ordered my truck with the 3.5 ECO. I knew the diesel was right around the corner and I never gave the diesel a second thought.
He seems majorly concerned with his MPG so it sounds like that is the factor...correct me if I am wrong.
Comparing this engine with a Cummins diesel engine is apples to oranges.
I just ordered my truck with the 3.5 ECO. I knew the diesel was right around the corner and I never gave the diesel a second thought.
He seems majorly concerned with his MPG so it sounds like that is the factor...correct me if I am wrong.
The Ecodiesel isn't a Cummins motor. It is made by VM Motori, an Italian company. The Eco diesel is 1/2-ton only.....Cummins is 3/4-ton and bigger. The Ecodiesel comparison is apples to apples, they are 1/2-ton trucks, 3.0L displacement, and similar levels of output.
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01-11-2018, 02:54 PM
#125
I don't think he's looking at it exactly the same way as you. He could get 100% full payback on the cost of that option if it puts a huge smile on his face the day he drives off the dealer lot.
With the $5K option adder (it's been reported to actually be less than that), you don't actually have to save $5K worth of gas....you have to make up the difference of what that $5K depreciates. So, if having the diesel engine brings $3K more when you sell it, you only needed to make up $2K...not the whole $5K.
You'll get 10% off the MSRP of any Ford F150, except maybe a Raptor. So, $5K option, less the $500 (10% off MSRP) leaves it costing $4500 more than the BASE motor (which I will wager the OP wouldn't consider, so it will actually be the difference between the diesel option and the cost adder for the motor he would have otherwise chosen).
Ram Ecodiesels show being worth $3400 MORE in the NADA book on the diesel thread in this forum. So, all things being equal, he pays $4500 more for the diesel over the BASE motor and it's worth $3400 more in 4 years....he only needs to make up $1100 of gas. But, what if he would have opted for the 3.5EB if the diesel wasn't an option? That would make it very close to a wash.
Now, he still has higher maintenance costs...but I don't think he cares.
Selecting an option isn't all about hard numbers. Some options pay dividends that are less tangible. If he's always wanted a diesel, then that has value too....and we can't put a dollar figure on that. If you only look at the $$, then any trim over an XL is wasteful. But, for each trim above the most basic truck, people get an immeasurable and intangible enjoyment for the money they spend. It has to do with personal taste and satisfaction. It is the reason we can't say it's not worth it or the $$ don't work out. People can say the same thing about the leather interior, GPS, locking rear diff, or leveling kits....
I guess, what I'm saying, is that true value is much deeper than just a single price. And, if it is price alone you choose to use, you have to calculate deeper than just the option adder since the added value won't be $0 when it is sold....nor will it be bought for full MSRP.
And, in an effort to stay on topic I would like to report that my MPG has gotten better with our temperatures getting back into the 50's recently. I'm still amazed at how much temperature can effect our mileage. I swear my last vehicle wasn't as sensitive to lower temperatures...but I don't recall paying that much attention to it.
With the $5K option adder (it's been reported to actually be less than that), you don't actually have to save $5K worth of gas....you have to make up the difference of what that $5K depreciates. So, if having the diesel engine brings $3K more when you sell it, you only needed to make up $2K...not the whole $5K.
You'll get 10% off the MSRP of any Ford F150, except maybe a Raptor. So, $5K option, less the $500 (10% off MSRP) leaves it costing $4500 more than the BASE motor (which I will wager the OP wouldn't consider, so it will actually be the difference between the diesel option and the cost adder for the motor he would have otherwise chosen).
Ram Ecodiesels show being worth $3400 MORE in the NADA book on the diesel thread in this forum. So, all things being equal, he pays $4500 more for the diesel over the BASE motor and it's worth $3400 more in 4 years....he only needs to make up $1100 of gas. But, what if he would have opted for the 3.5EB if the diesel wasn't an option? That would make it very close to a wash.
Now, he still has higher maintenance costs...but I don't think he cares.
Selecting an option isn't all about hard numbers. Some options pay dividends that are less tangible. If he's always wanted a diesel, then that has value too....and we can't put a dollar figure on that. If you only look at the $$, then any trim over an XL is wasteful. But, for each trim above the most basic truck, people get an immeasurable and intangible enjoyment for the money they spend. It has to do with personal taste and satisfaction. It is the reason we can't say it's not worth it or the $$ don't work out. People can say the same thing about the leather interior, GPS, locking rear diff, or leveling kits....
I guess, what I'm saying, is that true value is much deeper than just a single price. And, if it is price alone you choose to use, you have to calculate deeper than just the option adder since the added value won't be $0 when it is sold....nor will it be bought for full MSRP.
And, in an effort to stay on topic I would like to report that my MPG has gotten better with our temperatures getting back into the 50's recently. I'm still amazed at how much temperature can effect our mileage. I swear my last vehicle wasn't as sensitive to lower temperatures...but I don't recall paying that much attention to it.
I check for updates on the Powerstroke 3.0 DAILY. I check Ford's build site for the 3.0 option DAILY. And why? Because Ford representative's have been quoted as saying they believe that this truck will be rated at 30 highway MPG's - Not to mention be MUCH more suitable for towing as is common knowledge.
> Here comes the F250 crowd with "upgrade your truck an F150 cant handle it"
> Here comes those who don't know any better with "but why on earth are you hauling that much and where"
Now let me ask you all this.... if you will be doing considerable towing WITHIN the F150's limits, do you want the 3.5EB which got 9 MPG on an actual 7k load test, or would you want the 3.0, which if it's anything like the Ecodiesel, get's 13 MPG with a 7l load test? Actually dont bother answering because I don't care if you have a different view. I see value in the 3.0 in ways beyond what can be interpreted by the window sticker.
01-11-2018, 05:39 PM
#126
Senior Member
LOL....as you have already found out, the highway EPA rating for the 3.5 ECO is 23MPG. We already know what you think of that number. Prepare to be disappointed AGAIN and get back with us how your diesel MPG numbers aren't what you were expecting.
The new engine will not be available with trim levels lower than Lariat
If I get 9MPG towing my 6500# boat or my 6500# travel trailer, that will be around what I am expecting. That's what I currently get with my Chevy Silverado. I do live in the real world and have real world expectations.
BTW....I just said it will take years to make up your investment based on fuel costs. I have no idea and made no opinions on if there was any other reason.
One more thing...when someone disagrees with you, don't get your panties in such a huge bunch. I am not the first person in this thread that you have done this with.
The new engine will not be available with trim levels lower than Lariat
If I get 9MPG towing my 6500# boat or my 6500# travel trailer, that will be around what I am expecting. That's what I currently get with my Chevy Silverado. I do live in the real world and have real world expectations.
BTW....I just said it will take years to make up your investment based on fuel costs. I have no idea and made no opinions on if there was any other reason.
One more thing...when someone disagrees with you, don't get your panties in such a huge bunch. I am not the first person in this thread that you have done this with.
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01-11-2018, 05:51 PM
#127
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Looks like the engine is going to be a $4000 option over the 2.7 ECO in a Lariat trim according to an article I just read.
Will not be able to get it in the XLT or lower trim.
Will not be able to get it in the XLT or lower trim.
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01-11-2018, 06:30 PM
#128
Martin
I think the op started this thread just to stroke his own ego and wanted an audience while he did it. All the info is out there before you buy that the eco boost probably won't get the epa mileage estimates.
This thread was more to say look at me, I can drop 40 to 50k on a truck decide it doesn't suite me and trade it off a couple months later. It's a good thing some folks can spend this way it keeps the economy moving.
This thread was more to say look at me, I can drop 40 to 50k on a truck decide it doesn't suite me and trade it off a couple months later. It's a good thing some folks can spend this way it keeps the economy moving.
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01-11-2018, 08:03 PM
#129
I think the op started this thread just to stroke his own ego and wanted an audience while he did it. All the info is out there before you buy that the eco boost probably won't get the epa mileage estimates.
This thread was more to say look at me, I can drop 40 to 50k on a truck decide it doesn't suite me and trade it off a couple months later. It's a good thing some folks can spend this way it keeps the economy moving.
This thread was more to say look at me, I can drop 40 to 50k on a truck decide it doesn't suite me and trade it off a couple months later. It's a good thing some folks can spend this way it keeps the economy moving.
01-11-2018, 08:11 PM
#130
LOL....as you have already found out, the highway EPA rating for the 3.5 ECO is 23MPG. We already know what you think of that number. Prepare to be disappointed AGAIN and get back with us how your diesel MPG numbers aren't what you were expecting.
The new engine will not be available with trim levels lower than Lariat
If I get 9MPG towing my 6500# boat or my 6500# travel trailer, that will be around what I am expecting. That's what I currently get with my Chevy Silverado. I do live in the real world and have real world expectations.
BTW....I just said it will take years to make up your investment based on fuel costs. I have no idea and made no opinions on if there was any other reason.
One more thing...when someone disagrees with you, don't get your panties in such a huge bunch. I am not the first person in this thread that you have done this with.
The new engine will not be available with trim levels lower than Lariat
If I get 9MPG towing my 6500# boat or my 6500# travel trailer, that will be around what I am expecting. That's what I currently get with my Chevy Silverado. I do live in the real world and have real world expectations.
BTW....I just said it will take years to make up your investment based on fuel costs. I have no idea and made no opinions on if there was any other reason.
One more thing...when someone disagrees with you, don't get your panties in such a huge bunch. I am not the first person in this thread that you have done this with.
Second, I have not mentioned what I think of "that number" - the 23MPG the 3.5 is rated at - nor have I even brought it up
Third, real-world MPG's for the ecodiesel are consistently 24mpg and above ...but I thought I was going to be disappointed
Fourth, good for you if you expect 9mpg compared to the 13 mpg of competitors OR what the 3.0 PSD will likely get. I think 9mpg absolutely sucks COMPARED to the 44% better mileage you get with a diesel while towing
Nevermind that, literally in the middle of allllll of these replies to this thread, I happened upon a link with F-150 and diesel in the title which was when I read their 3.0 would be coming out this spring.
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