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Buying a new truck. Talk me out of buying a Tundra
Hi all,
Really liking the reputation of F150, but also still considering a Toyota Tundra. Kind of on the fence at this point. My #1 most important consideration is reliability. I made a similar post to this one in the Toyota Tundras forum, and most of the responses I got were just trashing the F150 in terms of reliability. What would you say to convince me to go with a F150 rather than a Tundra? |
What were you expecting them to say?
I'd tell you to go drive both of them and see what you like better. Just because the Tundra is out dated, ugly and gets sh*tty gas mileage is no reason not to check them out. |
Reliability wise, the Tundra is probably more reliable. But, it should be. It's horribly outdated using late 1990's to early 2000's technology. I hope Toyota has perfected 20 year old technology by now. Look what happened with their Tacoma when they finally updated to a new truck. They've had a myriad of problems. I'm willing to risk having a much more technologically advanced truck. The F150 is light years ahead of the Tundra. Plus, it looks better, gets better mileage, tows better, and has a much better interior. Personally, I'm ok with giving up a little reliability for a kick-ass, cutting edge truck. The F150 is, after all, the best selling vehicle in the world for a reason. The Japanese manufacturers may make a better small car or hybrid, but they cannot compete when it comes to trucks. Just my .02.
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Why ? Buy a Tundra.
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Originally Posted by dagooaz
(Post 5801608)
Reliability wise, the Tundra is probably more reliable. But, it should be. It's horribly outdated using late 1990's to early 2000's technology. I hope Toyota has perfected 20 year old technology by now. Look what happened with their Tacoma when they finally updated to a new truck. They've had a myriad of problems. I'm willing to risk having a much more technologically advanced truck. The F150 is light years ahead of the Tundra. Plus, it looks better, gets better mileage, tows better, and has a much better interior. Personally, I'm ok with giving up a little reliability for a kick-ass, cutting edge truck. The F150 is, after all, the best selling vehicle in the world for a reason. The Japanese manufacturers may make a better small car or hybrid, but they cannot compete when it comes to trucks. Just my .02.
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A true Ford owner would never ask this question.................
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My Biggest reason is I have to duck to get into a Tundra, first and the outdated second Gen, and since I have a bad neck that doesn't work.
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Well OP, according to this thread if you want reliability get the Tundra, if you're in to fancy gadgets get the Ford. I'll go with reliability every time.
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Originally Posted by idrive
(Post 5801586)
What were you expecting them to say?
I'd tell you to go drive both of them and see what you like better. Just because the Tundra is out dated, ugly and gets sh*tty gas mileage is no reason not to check them out. |
I currently drive a Tundra and am waiting for my F150 on order. Drive both and decide for yourself. F150 had less road noise and a better ride unloaded by far. My tundra has never stranded me but it has not been the most reliable. I have had the entire front differential replaced due to a bad growling noise, the engine leaks oil out of the front and it gets abysmal gas mileage. Also, the transmission is reliable but it hunts quite a bit. Maybe they got that fixed but I doubt It.
It just feels like toyota puts very little effort into their truck line and it shows. I drove an F150 and I knew what I was going with right away. I thought the tundra were the best looking trucks in 2012 by far but I think the rest have caught up and surpassed them. I am not a fan of any brand. Considered the gmc but the ford just felt better and I like the idea of an aluminum body. |
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I'm a huge Japanese car fan. The best truck I've owned by far was my Nissan Frontier. It was a tough decision for me to go back to a Ford after having 3 somewhat disappointing Rangers over the years.
But I don't really care for the "new" Tundra. Tthe 1st gen is a rock solid truck with great reliability, as was the T100. But I don't think the 2nd gen is much, if at all, better in terms of reliability than the F150. Plus its going on 12 years old now. Back in 06 it had probably the best V8 you could get in a truck, but they're behind the times now. It's still a powerful engine but that extra displacement means 12-14 mpg. I spent 18 months researching all the available trucks before deciding on an F150. I'm convinced Chevy, Ford, Toyota, and the old Titan are probably all tied in terms of reliability with Dodge lagging behind them all. I'm not sure on the new Titan, when I was looking the new 1/2 tons where just hitting dealerships and even with the 100k warranty I didn't want to take a gamble on a brand new model. |
Also forgot to mention, I have oil in half of my spark plug tubes. I guess it's pretty common for toyota and the fix is not easy. Don't know if it is going to be a problem later on. Another reason I am trading it in. Toyota has been living off its reputation of reliability from the 90s. Other than that, it has been a good truck.
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choice is easy :shifty:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...acefd063df.jpg |
Tundra retains it value better than the other trucks. That's the only upside I see to buying a tundra.
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Originally Posted by bassJAM
(Post 5801923)
I'm a huge Japanese car fan. The best truck I've owned by far was my Nissan Frontier. It was a tough decision for me to go back to a Ford after having 3 somewhat disappointing Rangers over the years.
But I don't really care for the "new" Tundra. Tthe 1st gen is a rock solid truck with great reliability, as was the T100. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...30480ec04.jpeg |
Originally Posted by jbone36
(Post 5802034)
Say what? Widespread frame rot on the 1st gens doesn't = rock solid to me. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...30480ec04.jpeg |
Originally Posted by SCORGE
(Post 5802038)
That's the reverse dump bed feature
"It's not a bug, it's a feature!!" |
Originally Posted by jbone36
(Post 5802034)
Say what? Widespread frame rot on the 1st gens doesn't = rock solid to me. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...30480ec04.jpeg also something that happens to anything made of steel in the northeast....... |
Originally Posted by dagooaz
(Post 5801608)
Reliability wise, the Tundra is probably more reliable. But, it should be. It's horribly outdated using late 1990's to early 2000's technology. I hope Toyota has perfected 20 year old technology by now. Look what happened with their Tacoma when they finally updated to a new truck. They've had a myriad of problems. I'm willing to risk having a much more technologically advanced truck. The F150 is light years ahead of the Tundra. Plus, it looks better, gets better mileage, tows better, and has a much better interior. Personally, I'm ok with giving up a little reliability for a kick-ass, cutting edge truck. The F150 is, after all, the best selling vehicle in the world for a reason. The Japanese manufacturers may make a better small car or hybrid, but they cannot compete when it comes to trucks. Just my .02.
my opinion on the original question, get the one with the better warranty if buying new unless there's a big deference in price. They'll both break, might as well be covered... |
Originally Posted by 2015rubyFX4
(Post 5801720)
I work with a guy who bought a new Tundra but hes a Ford F150 fan. The ONLY reason he got a Tundra over an F150 was that the dealer gave him a better monthly payment deal. No other Reason. Bad gas mileage, ugly looks aside its a good truck. But it aint no F150.
I bought an F-150 this year and I initially was only interested in the Tundra. Reliability, resale, and exterior design had me almost sold. That’s until I drove them both and noticed the difference on the interior. Comparing the Tundra Limited to the Lariat there’s no contest - the Lariat is far, far more luxurious. The Tundra Limited felt so dated, the 2018 actually had fewer features than the 2013 KIA Forte I had driven previously. And this for a 40+ thousand dollar truck. FWIW, I never made the comparison at lower trim levels. Perhaps the Tundra is a solid competitor at that price point, but I could argue vehemently that it isn’t with regard to the Tundra Limited. |
Why listen to us? Go buy a Tundra or a Colorado or better yet, a Ridgeline , what do I care what you buy?
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Let's just break it down.
The Tundra is: -Ugly as sin -Old as dirt -Drinks gas like it's sponsored by OPEC -Has no cutting edge technology -Has lower payload and towing specs -Did I mention it's ugly? Oh, yeah, I did. Sorry. -Will likely cost more to insure because it's not a domestic nameplate -Very limited powertrain options |
Originally Posted by Summers22
(Post 5802104)
Why listen to us? Go buy a Tundra or a Colorado or better yet, a Ridgeline , what do I care what you buy?
. . . :shifty: |
*Jon
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Originally Posted by f150thr0w
(Post 5801581)
Hi all,
Really liking the reputation of F150, but also still considering a Toyota Tundra. Kind of on the fence at this point. My #1 most important consideration is reliability. I made a similar post to this one in the Toyota Tundras forum, and most of the responses I got were just trashing the F150 in terms of reliability. What would you say to convince me to go with a F150 rather than a Tundra? |
I actually really like the looks of the Tundra exterior. And the new ones come with the latest “safety sense” tech in all trim levels. It’s certainly not the worst option. |
This is the one thing I love about F150 owners and this forum. Yes, like any other brand, we rag on GM, Ram, and Toyota from time to time. But I can honestly say Ford owners seem to be more reasonable when asked about other brands. Like others have said, the Tundra has a better chance of being more reliable because it has a lot less tech. You just need to drive them both and see for yourself. We can't tell you what to buy, but you know we'll always lean towards Ford since this is an F150 forum.
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I'm just going to say " It's not a American truck " end of story !
spec's & all I don't give a ****, it's either Ford or GM nothing else ! Maybe Dodge but they're like the other hockey helmet relative that you don't want to associate with :whistling2: |
The Toyota even has TuRD written on the side of the box. :tt2: Okay so they left out the "U". But seriously.............
I personally do not like the looks of the Toyota. I couldn't look at it every day, I'd go crazy. As far as reliability, the Toyota may edge the Ford out here, I don't know. But they are both machines and both are going to break, it's inevitable. Like others have said, drive both and buy the truck that's going to make you happy. You're the one that is going to have to live with it. |
The first f150 I purchased was a 2005 FX4. I researched everything back then and very hesitantly decided on the f150. Everyone says the Toyota is more reliable and holds it value better, in my experience is wrong. I traded that truck in and it had 206,000 miles on it and ran like new. I had only one out of ordinary issue and that was that rear differential cover rusted through. Other than that oil changes brakes tires plugs, just the standard stuff. If you properly maintain a vehicle it will last a long time. When I purchased my new truck a also researched it to the point of paralysis. I narrowed my search down to two trucks the GMC Sierra and another F150. The Toyota just didn’t feel right to me. The ride and handling did not measure up to the others. I did not like the interior at all. The deciding factors for me was driving all of them. Since there are so many options and engines you need to Give yourself time. In the end the GMC’s engine and interior space was the issue.anther factor was that I had an extremely reliable experience with my previous f150, so the fear of spending so much money on a domestic was gone. Don’t believe the F150 would be less reliable than the Toyota and for resale the dealer still gave me $14,000 for a truck with $206,000 on it. But we know that’s mostly a numbers game. Choose what you like and feel good in. |
Originally Posted by jbone36
(Post 5802034)
Say what? Widespread frame rot on the 1st gens doesn't = rock solid to me. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...30480ec04.jpeg |
Well the F150 is in my book for two reasons, one, 5 star crash rating, and two, it doesn't have TuRD on the back. My 14 was 100$ reliable, other than a weak battery from sitting on the dealer lot for a year and an update to the battery monitor, it had zero issues for 63K miles and had it not been totaled would have 107K on it and would still have been trouble free.
My 16 has had issues, but I can gladly say, NONE have left me stranded. Every car company has issues, and with the amount of F150's sold over all the other brands, there will be more complains on reliability, but overall, the F150 is a solid truck. I am on the fence on the new Ram, I really like how well they did with the overall design, but their reputation sucks. Until that changes, I would be hard pressed to buy a new Ram. Even with all the issues I would still prefer a new F150. 5 Star crash rating is a solid for me, especially after a 45MPH+ crash head on in my 14 and I walked away. |
Buy the Tundra, I did (and remembered I still had an account here, lol).
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Originally Posted by f150thr0w
(Post 5801581)
Hi all,
Really liking the reputation of F150, but also still considering a Toyota Tundra. Kind of on the fence at this point. My #1 most important consideration is reliability. I made a similar post to this one in the Toyota Tundras forum, and most of the responses I got were just trashing the F150 in terms of reliability. What would you say to convince me to go with a F150 rather than a Tundra? |
I have owned them all- GM, Ford, Toyota, even a Ridgeline! I will say buy whatever you think will serve you best. They all have their good points as well as bad points. Currently, I have a 2013 FX4, 5.0 because that was what was best served my needs when I bought. Actually, if you are looking for a suburban cruiser, that occasionally makes a Home Depot run, the Ridgeline isn’t a bad choice. |
The Tundra being "more reliable" than the F150 is not true. That's a lie that's repeated to make people feel good about spending $50k on the same truck you could buy in 2007. Cost of ownership is quite a big higher just due to the gas mileage. You can almost own a gas 3/4 ton for the same price and have a heck of a lot more capability.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/new...icle-1.2634528
How many F-150's have gone 1 million miles with all of the major parts. The transmission needed work at 775,000 miles, but it and the engine were factory. You can get a bad one from any manufacturer, but the odds are very good that you'll spend less to drive a Tundra 200,000 miles than an F-150. Even accounting for the added fuel costs. You'll burn about 7 more gallons in a Tundra to drive 1000 miles. Also, unlike Ford all Tundra's are equipped pretty much the same. Ford advertises huge towing and capacity ratings, but those trucks are unicorns. To get one equipped to do that requires equipment not on most of them. Most F-150's actually on the road aren't rated to tow or carry much, if any, more than a Tacoma. All 5.7 V8 equipped Tundra's come with 4.30 rear axles and with the equipment to tow the max amount listed in their specs. Buying a Tundra is very comparable to a gas powered F-250. But the Tundra is an older, dated design with fewer options. I really wanted to buy a Tundra when I bought my Ford 2 years ago for the reasons above. But I was looking to buy used and simply didn't find a used Tundra that met my needs. There were literally dozens of Fords that checked all the boxes. I'm not disappointed in the Ford, but would have been quite happy with a Tundra if I'd found one that met my needs. |
Simple advice - buy the truck. Everybody needs one once in a while.
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When I was looking to buy a truck I researched F-150, Silverado 1500, Ram, Tundra and Titan.... The first two trucks I ruled out were the Tundra and Titan due to their DISMAL gas milage and payload ratings (gas milage on the Titan is worse than the Tundra, and the Tundra is terrible). Next to fall off the list was the Ram due to reliability issues. That left the F-150 & Silverado. I ended up with the 5.0L V8 F150 with the 6R80 transmission because of the reliability of that drive train and relatively good gas milage even while towing my travel trailer. The 5.3L Silverado doesn't hold up to the gas milage of a F-150 with the 5.0L.
With proper maintenance and the way that I drive (I'm not hard on vehicles) I fully expect to go 300,000 miles with my F-150. Good luck with whatever vehicle you end up with. |
Originally Posted by marshallr
(Post 5803133)
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/new...icle-1.2634528
How many F-150's have gone 1 million miles with all of the major parts. The transmission needed work at 775,000 miles, but it and the engine were factory. You can get a bad one from any manufacturer, but the odds are very good that you'll spend less to drive a Tundra 200,000 miles than an F-150. Even accounting for the added fuel costs. You'll burn about 7 more gallons in a Tundra to drive 1000 miles. Also, unlike Ford all Tundra's are equipped pretty much the same. Ford advertises huge towing and capacity ratings, but those trucks are unicorns. To get one equipped to do that requires equipment not on most of them. Most F-150's actually on the road aren't rated to tow or carry much, if any, more than a Tacoma. All 5.7 V8 equipped Tundra's come with 4.30 rear axles and with the equipment to tow the max amount listed in their specs. Buying a Tundra is very comparable to a gas powered F-250. But the Tundra is an older, dated design with fewer options. I really wanted to buy a Tundra when I bought my Ford 2 years ago for the reasons above. But I was looking to buy used and simply didn't find a used Tundra that met my needs. There were literally dozens of Fords that checked all the boxes. I'm not disappointed in the Ford, but would have been quite happy with a Tundra if I'd found one that met my needs. |
I was in the same boat as you two weeks ago. For me it came down to comfort and fitting my family of 5, with 2 dogs in the cab. The F150 was just nicer inside, quieter and much more space.
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Buying a Tundra is very comparable to a gas powered F-250 A 1/2 ton with measly payload vs a 3/4 ton with 3K+ payload! Yeah, Right, I gots a bridge for you too! https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...b955e72982.gif |
Yeah, some outlandish claims being made in this thread......
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Originally Posted by Summers22
(Post 5894584)
Say what? My 2017 has a payload of over 2000lbs. The 2018 Tacoma is maxed to 1,175 lbs and my truck is equipped to tow up to 10,100 lbs. The Tacoma? A measly 6,400 lbs. Not even close..........
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Originally Posted by bassJAM
(Post 5895222)
Apples to Oranges, the Taco is a midsized truck. The Tundra can be equipped for around a 1,700 payload and 10,200 lbs towing which is in the ballpark of F150's.
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Tundra...wtf...this **** still going on?
Go! Buy the Tundra! I'll keep driving my "truck". Here are the trailers designed for towing behind a Tundra! https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...1a121b6b9a.jpg |
F150 vs Turd Towing = F150 Payload = F150 Acceleration/speed = F150 Mileage = F150 Technology = F150 Cab storage/layout = F150 Safety = F150 Overall resale = Turd The extra money you spend on fuel due to its piss poor mileage will outweigh the resale value. |
I will not talk you out of it. YOU need to drive both, research both, compare both, and YOU decide what YOU want.
Good luck. |
If I do settle on another truck, it will be the F150; it may not be the best at everything but I think it is more consistently good at everything than the other current offerings.
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Originally Posted by bassJAM
(Post 5895222)
Apples to Oranges, the Taco is a midsized truck. The Tundra can be equipped for around a 1,700 payload and 10,200 lbs towing which is in the ballpark of F150's.
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Originally Posted by f150thr0w
(Post 5801581)
Hi all,
Really liking the reputation of F150, but also still considering a Toyota Tundra. Kind of on the fence at this point. My #1 most important consideration is reliability. I made a similar post to this one in the Toyota Tundras forum, and most of the responses I got were just trashing the F150 in terms of reliability. What would you say to convince me to go with a F150 rather than a Tundra? |
The Tundras are a nice solid reliable and thirsty truck. I was going to go with the Tundra but the payload on them is horrendous. The double cab payload on the sticker is 1395lbs in SR5 trim, and even lower if you go higher trim. The crew cab is 1295lbs in SR5 trim. The majority of people hauling and towing with these trucks are above the legal limits. My 19 year old 1/4 ton truck has the same payload.
If you plan on only hauling 2-3 people in your truck and some mountain bikes and gear, then the Tundra payload may work for you. That said, if they could up the payload to actual half ton range, (say 1700lbs) I would probably buy the Tundra. Reliability and longevity and quality are more important than gimmicky tech stuff to me. |
Originally Posted by 5Lgreenback
(Post 5906306)
The Tundras are a nice solid reliable and thirsty truck. I was going to go with the Tundra but the payload on them is horrendous. The double cab payload on the sticker is 1395lbs in SR5 trim, and even lower if you go higher trim. The crew cab is 1295lbs in SR5 trim. The majority of people hauling and towing with these trucks are above the legal limits. My 19 year old 1/4 ton truck has the same payload.
If you plan on only hauling 2-3 people in your truck and some mountain bikes and gear, then the Tundra payload may work for you. That said, if they could up the payload to actual half ton range, (say 1700lbs) I would probably buy the Tundra. Reliability and longevity and quality are more important than gimmicky tech stuff to me. |
Originally Posted by 5Lgreenback
(Post 5906306)
The Tundras are a nice solid reliable and thirsty truck. I was going to go with the Tundra but the payload on them is horrendous. The double cab payload on the sticker is 1395lbs in SR5 trim, and even lower if you go higher trim. The crew cab is 1295lbs in SR5 trim. The majority of people hauling and towing with these trucks are above the legal limits. My 19 year old 1/4 ton truck has the same payload.
If you plan on only hauling 2-3 people in your truck and some mountain bikes and gear, then the Tundra payload may work for you. That said, if they could up the payload to actual half ton range, (say 1700lbs) I would probably buy the Tundra. Reliability and longevity and quality are more important than gimmicky tech stuff to me. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...4fb663ee0a.jpg I scaled it one day. This is the stock truck with both of us sitting in it with a full tank of fuel. Only difference from stock were my 18" LT winter tires. Pretty heavy at 6700# - I was shocked to tell the truth. This is why I plead with all these guys on the towing threads to weigh their trucks and trailers - everything weighs a lot more than we think. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...0a11cc2e52.jpg |
Anything less than 1500lbs is poo in my opinion.
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When I was looking to buy a truck, I drove all the 1/2 tons except the Toyota. Too much going against it with it's ugly styling (my opinion), ugly 4 color interior panals, and just the fact that it's like, 13 years old. So I drove the Ram, GMC, Nissan and Ford. All had good things about them, but I kept coming back to the Ford. I don't regret skipping the Tundra either. Totally fine with it. Drive both, and good luck.
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Originally Posted by bassJAM
(Post 5906404)
I really don't see F150's being that much better on payload. My crew cab is 1131 lbs. I don't think it really matters either, what are you hauling where a payload difference of 300 lbs makes a difference? It's very rare that I see another half ton truck on the road that's hauling anything in the bed, or towing a trailer bigger than a landscaping trailer or bass boat. Whether folks admit it or not, most 1/2 ton's aren't worked that hard.
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Originally Posted by seventyeight
(Post 5906483)
My '09 crew cab FX4 5.5' bed with Max Tow was pretty bad at 1203# payload. And that was before adding the tubular running boards....add me and ma and a full tank of fuel and I was around 500# of payload left - terrible!
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...4fb663ee0a.jpg I scaled it one day. This is the stock truck with both of us sitting in it with a full tank of fuel. Only difference from stock were my 18" LT winter tires. Pretty heavy at 6700# - I was shocked to tell the truth. This is why I plead with all these guys on the towing threads to weigh their trucks and trailers - everything weighs a lot more than we think. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...0a11cc2e52.jpg |
Originally Posted by 5Lgreenback
(Post 5907224)
Wow, didn't realize that era had such low payload ratings.
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Max Tow Package has nothing to do with payload. Heavy Duty Payload Package or 2.7 Ecoboost payload Package or whatever payload capacity your truck has leftover. The components of the Max Tow Package actually take away from the payload.
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If we have to talk you out of a Tundra, you aren't really wanting a F150.
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Originally Posted by 5Lgreenback
(Post 5907222)
At 1131lbs if you were to load up a travel trailer and have 2 people in the truck you would likely be over limits, let alone a whole family. I load my lil dakota heavier than that almost any time I go camping or snowmobiling etc. and my trailer is only 3500lbs loaded. Add 2 people in the cab with gear, tools, generator, firewood, gas etc in the box. I'd say thats pretty standard use for your average half ton. If its just a commuter truck for doing the odd dump run then of course payload is irrelevant.
I just don't see a payload difference of a couple hundred pounds between makes being an issue for the vast majority of 1/2 ton owners unless you just want bragging rights. |
Its a simple decision really...
Get the Tundra if you want a reliable truck that you don't really ever have to worry about. Get the F150 if you want a truck with door latches that freeze up and won't allow you to open the doors. Will probably catch on fire if you have a minor fender bender. Makes a lot of very concerning noises coming from the transmission when you start it up or put it in gear. Shifts very hard and erratically when accelerating or decelerating. Sometimes slips gears when shifting. Does not not get anywhere near the EPA estimated MPG or the on-board calculated MPG. And has a sunroof that rattles excessively. But apparently looks great. So in summary... If you want to drive the truck a lot and for a long time. Get the Tundra. If you want to look at your truck in your garage or driveway. Get the F150. |
Originally Posted by UncleG
(Post 5908228)
Max Tow Package has nothing to do with payload. Heavy Duty Payload Package or 2.7 Ecoboost payload Package or whatever payload capacity your truck has leftover. The components of the Max Tow Package actually take away from the payload.
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Originally Posted by abs350
(Post 5908811)
Its a simple decision really...
Get the Tundra if you want a reliable truck that you don't really ever have to worry about. Get the F150 if you want a truck with door latches that freeze up and won't allow you to open the doors. Will probably catch on fire if you have a minor fender bender. Makes a lot of very concerning noises coming from the transmission when you start it up or put it in gear. Shifts very hard and erratically when accelerating or decelerating. Sometimes slips gears when shifting. Does not not get anywhere near the EPA estimated MPG or the on-board calculated MPG. And has a sunroof that rattles excessively. But apparently looks great. So in summary... If you want to drive the truck a lot and for a long time. Get the Tundra. If you want to look at your truck in your garage or driveway. Get the F150. |
Well the people that joined the forum just to bitch have showed up.
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Originally Posted by Summers22
(Post 5909330)
Well the people that joined the forum just to bitch have showed up.
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True, they add nothing constructive, they simply.......joined.......to.......complain.
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Originally Posted by Summers22
(Post 5909363)
True, they add nothing constructive, they simply.......joined.......to.......complain.
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Originally Posted by abs350
(Post 5909428)
Must be a lot to complain about. Another added to my ignore list. It's getting long these days. |
Originally Posted by abs350
(Post 5908815)
You are correct, but missing the point. They are selling you a "Max Tow" package with an upgraded price tag, implying the truck can handle at or near the maximum payload/towing capacity, yet the payload capacity is only like 1300lbs.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...5323f62537.jpg |
Originally Posted by Summers22
(Post 5909363)
True, they add nothing constructive, they simply.......joined.......to.......complain.
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Originally Posted by Summers22
(Post 5909461)
Maybe for you, but I have had numerous Ford trucks over the years. They have all served me perfectly well with no major issues what so ever. Sorry you need somewhere to vent.
Another added to my ignore list. It's getting long these days. |
Originally Posted by 52isntbigenough
(Post 5909046)
You forgot that the leaf springs are made of glass and they leak water from every seam. Other than that, yeah, I should have bought a Tundra as well.
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Originally Posted by Mark Miller
(Post 5909475)
WTH are you yapping about my 2017 XL STX Super Crew 4X4 3.5L Eco Boost and Max Tow Package payload is 1,860 lbs!!!
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.f15...5323f62537.jpg |
It's FoMoCo's fault that he bought a truck without looking at the sticker in the door jam to see if the truck had enough payload for his needs.
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Originally Posted by abs350
(Post 5908815)
You are correct, but missing the point. They are selling you a "Max Tow" package with an upgraded price tag, implying the truck can handle at or near the maximum payload/towing capacity, yet the payload capacity is only like 1300lbs.
It does not however magically give the truck the maximum towing capacity and that is where most people fail to understand its purpose. |
Originally Posted by acdii
(Post 5909663)
Clueless as to what the Max Tow package is I see. Max Tow is less expensive than the individual options. It includes all the towing components plus a 36 gallon tank. It also includes the heaviest duty hitch the F150 can use. To get the ITBC, tow package and 36 gallon tank it will cost over $400 more than just getting the Max Tow. You also cannot order the 1350 hitch, that is only available with the Max Tow package.
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Tundra's aren't as solid as a F150. I've had both. The Tundra frame is not very beefy and if you're going to be hauling heavier weight you'll notice the difference.
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Originally Posted by Summers22
(Post 5909601)
Beautiful truck as always Mark. Like you I have an amazing payload, just over 2000 lbs. How may Tundras have that?
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Like others have said, drive both and get what you like. I personally was very hesitant to buy my first Ford but out of the trucks available it’s what I liked best. Already had a wheel bearing go at 20k miles so I wasn’t thrilled about that after 2 trips to the dealer. I know people with Dodge, Chevy, Toyota, Nissan trucks and some had zero issues and some had a bunch so anything is possible. The only way I’ll be brand loyal is if that manufacturer is putting food on the table for the fam or I get a free truck. Until then, I’ll drive what I like regardless of brand. |
I was torn between the Tundra and the F150 as well, but while I was test driving the Tundra at a Toyota dealership, the guy told me that he would go with the F150 as they are better trucks. I was surprised to hear that, especially from a Toyota dealership. I just thought the F150 drove better and was more comfortable.
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Nobody makes a bad truck today. But plenty make them better.
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I was looking at the Tundra also. Even purchased a membership to consumer reports... believe it if you want but both the Tundra and the F-150 were the top in reliability of all the trucks. The only area where the Tundra has the F-150 beat was in the infotainment system... majority of the complaints against Ford was glitchy sync systems. Ill take my F-150 with Sync 3 and the odd glitch over the Tundra with it’s reliable mid 2000’s infotainment system any day! 2014 most dependable truck long term for JD power was F-150. Toyota owners are more prideful and will bite their lip before running to the forums to complain. Trust me I own a 2017 4Runner and I’m on their forum as well. People will post their vehicle problems in the “what did you do to/in your _ today. Rather than make their own thread. Better moderating as well. Ford sells 10 x more trucks than Toyota of course your going to hear 10x more complaints. Lastly, I grew up in the heart of B.C. bush country and my uncle is a true lumberjack. Owens a 2009 Tundra with 350,000 HARD bush miles on it. It’s a rock. He’s the only one who really drives Toyota out there as every one else in his crew drive Ford. Most the other guys Fords all have 300,000+ HARD bush miles as well, one even had 500,000+ miles not km’s. no one is left stranded. But the trucks all do need regular maintenance. I’m going to take that eveidence over some Tundra that got 1,000,000 easy hwy miles in less than 10 yrs service. long story short if Fords reliability really was that bad they wouldn’t sell a million trucks a year. The word would spread that they are sheit. |
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