raisin

Its the salesman's job to be everyone's friend. I buy my cars/trucks from sales manager (ex neighbor) nice guy. But I don't depend on him for info.

marshallr

I understand your frustration, but a letter to the dealer is where I'd start. The sales people should be better informed. The guy who I bought my truck from was, but I understand that is not the norm.

It isn't just a Ford problem, ALL truck manufacturers do exactly the same thing. And the TT dealers are as much to blame as the truck dealers.

I think the problem shows up more with Ford simply because they offer so many more options and truck configurations. I've owned a Tacoma for years and seriously considered a Tundra for a full size this time around. Toyota only offers 2 engines, 2 wheel bases, a couple of trim levels and depending on the engine no options in axle ratio. The advertised tow and payload ratings they list are more realistic, but still over stated at times.

Ford offers 4 engines, 4 different axle ratios and almost unlimited options. Every truck is very different and very few roll off the assembly line with the equipment to tow near the max rating. That isn't necessarily Ford's fault, that is what the customers are buying. Most don't tow at all or if they do not much weight. Most Ford Truck buyers are more concerned about ride comfort.

Ford figures that anyone who is serious about towing will be serious enough to carefully do their research.

Brand

You seem to still be confused if you think that you bought the truck from Ford. The salesman that you dealt with works for a dealership that buys vehicles from Ford and resales them to the end customer.

Simnut

The two things that will get ya is your rear axle GVWR and your vehicles GVWR.

Look at your rear axle GAWR and your GAWR. The rear axle is 3850 lbs (sorry..I'm Canadian but old school) , the front is 4050 lbs. I have a legal GVWR of 7350 lbs. The trailer I bought on Friday weighs 4450 dry and has a GVWR of 6800 lbs. Dry, it puts 490 lbs on the hitch. I'll be lucky to load 1000 lbs in the trailer and still be legal with my rear axle.

Here are my weights on the three critical points with myself in the truck, full of fuel......WD hitch and trailer.

Truck front: 3417 lbs
Truck Rear: 3615 lbs
Trailer Axles: 4453 lbs

Total combined weight of 11,485 lbs...legal with that rating.
Truck Front axle - 633 lbs under legal GAWR
Truck Rear axle - 235 lbs under legal GAWR
Trailer GVWR - 2800 lbs under legal GVWR

Truck Total weight - 348 lbs under legal GVWR

Now....where do I have to be careful I don't add any weight? Yea...rear axle and TV GVWR.

What happens when I load the trailer with 1000 lbs of "stuff"? The trailer is still within the legal weight but the 130 lbs (13%) I put on the tongue now leaves me 105 lbs for my rear axles to add in my wife (weight will be shared with the front also) and zero cargo in my truck!

Take a look at your tire sticker on your door. Mine says "Occupants and cargo should never exceed 1147 lbs. How much do I have with a dry trailer? Let's take my weight with the trailer/WD which is 7032 lbs and subtract advertised curb weight of 5717 lbs. If I get out of the truck...it's legal. If I get in the truck , it's not...with stock tires.

But, I have to be careful because I'm only 40 - 120 lbs under GAWR (depending what the front axle takes) on the rear if the two of us are aboard with the non stock tires as posted on the tire sticker.

Remember, those weights (except curb weight) are the TV and TT hooked with a WD hitch. There is a little play back and forth with weight distribution...but...

You see what I mean? It usually comes down to the rear axle GAWR with the next "culprit" being the pass/cargo load rating. The last real cause of being overloaded is the TT GVWR.

Sorry about the ramble!

Simnut

Ford's brochures are just as much a culprit as the sales people. If no one does their research...they will take the 7600 lbs as what they can tow. There is NO way in h e double hockey sticks can I even get close to that....OR the GCVWR!

You're doing 60 miles an hour down the highway. That TV and TT setup coming your way.......are you hoping they are legal...or do you end up wishing they were legal?

Panther150

Your fault for believing a word a sales person said.

Simnut

I'll ask you the same question:

You're doing 60 miles an hour down the highway. That TV and TT setup coming your way.......are you hoping they are legal...or do you end up wishing they were legal?

kbroderick

Mostly I'm wishing they were actually entirely within their lane.

Simnut

And capable of handling their legal vehicle ....IF it's legal. If it's overloaded because they didn't research....that's my point

Blown F-150

Thanks for explaining your situation. I will say though, that you have some adjustment available with the WD and depending on where you are putting stuff in the trailer, it may or may not add 13% of that additional weight as tongue weight to the trailer hitch.

So in the end, the truck can haul what Ford and the salesman states it can, but just in very specific towing situations. You need to look into each individual set up to see what can and can't work for weights.

You officially take the lowest non-limited model trucks Payload that I have seen. I thought mine was awful @ 1263lbs. With the gear I carry and the stuff I have added to the truck, I only have 900lbs or remaining payload, before I max our my GVW (7200#'s)