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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 10:40 AM
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Hello everyone, I just bought a 2014 F150 with the 5.0. It's llike pulling teeth to find out what kind of tow package in on this vehicle. The dealership seems just as lost as me. There is nothing on the window sticker other than 5.0 V8 with tow mod. I have the 3.73 axl, V5 hitch, 7/4 pin harness, TBC, Trans oil cooler. Im not sure if i have the upgraded radiator or not and do not have the tow mirrors. Not sure how to tell. Is this the basic tow package or something else. Any help would be appreciated.
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 12:11 PM
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Welcome to the forum!!


What cab do you have, and what length bed? 4x2 or 4x4? What size are your wheels/tires?


Post up pictures of the 2 stickers on your driver's side door - one with the GVWR, GAWRs, and rear axle info; the other is the tire sticker with your payload capacity on it.


Also, lie down under the rear bumper and look up and you'll see a sticker with your hitch weight limits - what does it say? Regular tow package 10500/1050; Max tow package 11500/1150.


With all that info you should be able to look in the sales brochure and determine what tow package you have and whether it has HD package or not.


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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 03:44 PM
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Thanks Kodi, i have a super crew cab short bed and my trailer hitch has a 10,500 max tow with WD hitch and a 5000 max tow without. The truck is a 4 x 2 and has a GVWR of 7100 lbs and max cargo weight of 1690. The GCWR is 14,900. Not sure of the tire size at this moment due to work. According to ford, it can tow a max weight of 9,400 per the chart in the owners manuel. Due to my budget, i could not afford the 250, so this 150 is fixing to get tested to the max. My mother in law gave us a camper for christmas and it's been sitting in my driveway since. It has a dry weight of 6900 lbs. Im going to attempt a short distance camping trip and see how she performs. This could go south really fast or it could go very well. According to all the math with tongue weight, luggage, fuel, family, etc, i will be under the GCWR by 1300 lbs. No room for mistakes or any kind of additions. Some people say im crazy and some people say the truck can handle it. A new transmission may be in my near future. LOL.
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 04:00 PM
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No max tow on the 5.0 so you have the regular towing pkg.
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Old Mar 26, 2015 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hanko70364
...has a GVWR of 7100 lbs and max cargo weight of 1690...
Where did you get that "1690" number??? Is that off the tire sticker? If so, that's before any stuff you've added after the truck was built - such as a bed liner, tonneau, etc. If you've added stuff like that, subtract their weights from that 1690 to get your actual payload capacity.


BTW, that payload capacity published on the tire sticker is for an empty truck, except it includes a full tank of gas.


If that's your "payload capacity", that's pretty good - you've only got 100 lbs of factory options, so you've got a very no frills truck.


...camper...has a dry weight of 6900 lbs...


According to all the math with tongue weight, luggage, fuel, family, etc, i will be under the GCWR by 1300 lbs... LOL.
That camper will probably be in the neighborhood of 8000 lbs wet&loaded. That would be an absolute minimum tongue weight of 800 lbs, but should more realistically be at least 12% of the trailer's weight - i.e., 960 lbs.


Your WDH head will weigh 50-75 lbs. Let's use 50 lbs, and added to the 960 lb tongue weight assumed above, that's 1010 lbs pushing down on your hitch receiver - and that's very close to the rating limit of 1050.


Subtract that weight on your hitch from your payload capacity and you'll have the weight remaining for people, luggage, firewood, tools, etc., in the truck.


1690 minus 1010 equals 580 lbs.


So....if you do have 1690 lbs of payload capacity, much of it will be taken up with the tongue weight of a heavy trailer, and in the example case here you've only got 580 lbs for people, luggage, etc.


If your family is lightweights, 2 adults might weigh 300 lbs, a couple kids another 100 lbs, that will leave 180 lbs for luggage, firewood, tire changing tools, etc., in the cab and bed - i.e., you're gonna be very close to the GVWR for your truck.


Also....7100 minus your payload capacity of 1690 equals 5410 lbs, which is the empty weight (with full fuel) of your truck. Add 580 lbs of people and stuff, plus your 50 lb WDH head, and the weight of the truck ready to hook up and go camping is 5410+580+50=6040 lbs.


If your wet&loaded camper is 8000, and your wet&loaded truck is 6040, add them together and the combined weight of your rig is 14,040 lbs.


If your GCWR is 14,900 you are below GCWR, but not by the 1300 lbs you mentioned.


Bottom line - if you can keep the wet&loaded weight of your trailer down to 7500 lbs, you could be 1300 below your GCWR, but Travel Trailers have a way of working their way right up toward their max allowable weight.


Check your numbers with real/actual weight of everything you'll have in the truck when you tow, and know what the ACTUAL weight of the TT will be when it's ready to hook up and tow.


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Old Mar 27, 2015 | 12:58 PM
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Thanks Kodi, the 1690 is the weight off the door sticker but i did not know that was with a full tank of fuel. Thats good news because i factored that into my cargo weight with family and luggage. My 150 is pretty basic without all the nav and leather stuff. My camper will never be pulled with a full fresh water tank and we dont plan on adding anything to it other than some paper plates and plastic forks and spoons. We plan on doing our shopping once we get to the camp site and set up. I dont plan on staying on any camp grounds without water and sewage. Our property in Mississippi has electricity, water and sewage for five campers so it will be towed dry. I dont plan on adding anything major to my truck either except for a spray liner in the very near future. Thanks for your help and advise on this matter, It's greatly appreciated.
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Old Mar 27, 2015 | 04:32 PM
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EXCELLENT!!

You've got a good payload capacity and will be able to pull your TT comfortably and safely.

Happy towing and camping!!
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