2.7TT or 5.0?
01-15-2014, 01:51 PM
#81
International man of Myst
I would like to know why they want V-6 engines instead of a straight 6, or even a four.
Would not a straight 6 be simpler, i.e only one turbo, camshaft, manifold(s),
The longer crank could be compensated for by a few more main bearings...........
I see no benefit in the shorter block.
Would not a straight 6 be simpler, i.e only one turbo, camshaft, manifold(s),
The longer crank could be compensated for by a few more main bearings...........
I see no benefit in the shorter block.
01-15-2014, 02:05 PM
#82
After reading the link on the Baja etc. testing of the 2.7, I have one question, did they tow in the rain all day, then jump on it? 
For the record, I think turbo's are the way to go, and a big truck getting 25 + mpg on the highway will have me buying one.
For the record, I think turbo's are the way to go, and a big truck getting 25 + mpg on the highway will have me buying one.
01-15-2014, 02:21 PM
#83
Senior Member
The best part of driving my truck is the sound that 5.4 with flowmaster exhaust makes when I start it up or get on it. It completes the driving experience to me. I am not just a work point a to b person. I like to enjoy driving. Before I bought mine I rode with friends 2 with ecoboost and one with the 5.0. The v8 won me over every time with sound and power. My friends with Ecoboost only get 1-2 mpg more than my friend with 5.0. The power and snap of the engine wasn't any better than the 5.0, and one of them has an aftermarket exhaust which to me just sound like crap on a v6. Felt like I was riding around in one of those rice burners from Fast and Furious. Just not my thing. When I decide to trade mine in I will be going v8. After all unless your 90 years old or a soccer mom a truck should sound mean, (like a truck).
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01-15-2014, 03:25 PM
#84
Canuck with a truck
The best part of driving my truck is the sound that 5.4 with flowmaster exhaust makes when I start it up or get on it. It completes the driving experience to me. I am not just a work point a to b person. I like to enjoy driving. Before I bought mine I rode with friends 2 with ecoboost and one with the 5.0. The v8 won me over every time with sound and power. My friends with Ecoboost only get 1-2 mpg more than my friend with 5.0. The power and snap of the engine wasn't any better than the 5.0, and one of them has an aftermarket exhaust which to me just sound like crap on a v6. Felt like I was riding around in one of those rice burners from Fast and Furious. Just not my thing. When I decide to trade mine in I will be going v8. After all unless your 90 years old or a soccer mom a truck should sound mean, (like a truck).
01-15-2014, 03:51 PM
#86
Plenty of guys think bigger and louder = faster. I see plenty of loud V8 trucks that cannot get out of their own way... I remember when Toyota made the V6 Rav4 and how fast they were.
01-15-2014, 03:55 PM
#87
For this very reason why they offer the Ecoboost and the 5.0. Some guys like the simple and yet traditional V8 sound and exhaust growl and others like the quiet rumble light whistle sound coming from there engines..To me I just cant see why FORD doesn't design the Ecoboost 5.0..Best of both worlds..There wouldn't be any body complaining!! Boy wouldn't that be a novel idea!!
01-15-2014, 04:13 PM
#88
Senior Member
These conversations always degenerate into mis-direction and opinions stated as fact.
The Eco (either variant) a such a good get because it provides the power of a larger engine with the day to day cost of a smaller engine. Essentially displacement on demand.
Neither are the fastest nor could they compete with larger engines built to a similar spec.
The Eco (either variant) a such a good get because it provides the power of a larger engine with the day to day cost of a smaller engine. Essentially displacement on demand.
Neither are the fastest nor could they compete with larger engines built to a similar spec.
Last edited by WarSurfer; 01-15-2014 at 04:54 PM.
01-15-2014, 04:45 PM
#89
Junior Member
Haha, these are some entertaining posts guys. I'm an engineer for Ford and can't stop reading all the bickering and lack of data during arguments.
I can't divulge any inside information but if I would like to leave you with some truths I have come to learn.
Everything is done for a specific reason on your truck. It has been analyzed deeper than you can imagine. Yes things can go wrong, poor decisions made but they were never from a lack of effort. Most of all your arguments only scrape the very surface of why certain a engine or technology is integrated into the final product. Every little detail has been thought of and tested, then re-analyzed, improved, tested again and again and again. It would take me hours to post reasons and follow ups to some questions and statements made in this thread. Imagine literally hundreds of people who went to school to understand the technical complexity of everything you are talking about at levels that would take years to explain. They get together to discuss all possible failure modes and strive for years to eliminate all those failure modes. Now imagine all those people are only looking at engine design and there are hundreds more for every major vehicle component. Thousands more testing the integration of those components. Hundreds of people analyzing regulatory requirements, thousands making sure the bits and pieces are manufactured and assembled according to the engineers requirements, thousands of people doing statistical analysis for budget planning and marketing, etc. When I sit back sometimes and look at a vehicle it is amazing that a completely new product can even be made.
Car companies are not in the business of making cars. A lesson that was taught to me from senior management at General Motors. Car companies are in the business of making money, period. This was very hard for me to swallow for a while as I truly believed every product was a collaborative effort of passionate engineers and designers. Sorry, this is not the case. Every single product can be attributed to making money. You can point out vehicles that don't make money (like the Volt and Prius) but they all serve a purpose to help the company gain capital. Otherwise there will be no company (besides in the USA where the government can bail you out if they feel like it).
I'm going to sit back and probably hang out mostly in the technical section to help people with issues but keep up the dialouge guys. It's always interesting to watch those on the outside try to figure out corporate business strategies.
I can't divulge any inside information but if I would like to leave you with some truths I have come to learn.
Everything is done for a specific reason on your truck. It has been analyzed deeper than you can imagine. Yes things can go wrong, poor decisions made but they were never from a lack of effort. Most of all your arguments only scrape the very surface of why certain a engine or technology is integrated into the final product. Every little detail has been thought of and tested, then re-analyzed, improved, tested again and again and again. It would take me hours to post reasons and follow ups to some questions and statements made in this thread. Imagine literally hundreds of people who went to school to understand the technical complexity of everything you are talking about at levels that would take years to explain. They get together to discuss all possible failure modes and strive for years to eliminate all those failure modes. Now imagine all those people are only looking at engine design and there are hundreds more for every major vehicle component. Thousands more testing the integration of those components. Hundreds of people analyzing regulatory requirements, thousands making sure the bits and pieces are manufactured and assembled according to the engineers requirements, thousands of people doing statistical analysis for budget planning and marketing, etc. When I sit back sometimes and look at a vehicle it is amazing that a completely new product can even be made.
Car companies are not in the business of making cars. A lesson that was taught to me from senior management at General Motors. Car companies are in the business of making money, period. This was very hard for me to swallow for a while as I truly believed every product was a collaborative effort of passionate engineers and designers. Sorry, this is not the case. Every single product can be attributed to making money. You can point out vehicles that don't make money (like the Volt and Prius) but they all serve a purpose to help the company gain capital. Otherwise there will be no company (besides in the USA where the government can bail you out if they feel like it).
I'm going to sit back and probably hang out mostly in the technical section to help people with issues but keep up the dialouge guys. It's always interesting to watch those on the outside try to figure out corporate business strategies.
