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firefightinb 08-06-2012 05:22 PM

F250 or Dodge 2500?
 
Love the way the 250 looks but I have heard some really good things about the Dodge and the Cummins. I know this is a Ford forum but I would like to hear some unbiased opinions on what other guys have heard. Looking to buy a 2010-2011 Ford or Dodge

speeddemon86 08-06-2012 05:44 PM

Guy I know had a 6.4 powerstroke and traded it for a 6.7 dodge. Says the dodge is way easier on fuel which was his biggest complaint on the pstroke. Said plowing with the powerstroke he only got like 180km on a full tank of fuel and like 450km driving normally. Says he gets almost 700 with the cummins. This isnt personal experience just what I've been told. And another buddy of mine had quite a few problems with his powerstroke. I don't really know top many people with either motor especially the cummins so I haven't heard much about it.

lilcrazyone 08-06-2012 07:30 PM

A couple of contractors I work with have the dodges, the one is a 2011 crew cab 4x4 with a short box with the 6.7 cummins and he is getting 350km/tank in his truck. The other guy I know that has one, well both of his have been 3500's but the first one was a 2011 crew cab dually 4x4 getting such bad mileage(around 6 mpg city) that he took the bullet and traded in for a 12, in the same configuration again with the 6.7 cummins. His new truck has improved mpg compared to the old one. I also know a few contrators with the new fords with the 6.7 powerstroke and they love them compared to the old 6.0 and 6.4 powerstrokes. All of which have improved mpg/hp/tq coming from the older powerstrokes

94mudder 08-07-2012 10:15 AM

Hate to say but dodge rules the diesel scene
only ever problem I heard of dodge was the transmissions

USMC6253 08-08-2012 12:16 PM

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Hate to say but dodge rules the diesel scene
only ever problem I heard of dodge was the transmissions

Just the Trans!!!! Pretty big problem if u ask me...With that being said i had 6.0 not a bad engine when you get the EGR deleted maybe some head studs if u add more power. Dont get me wrong i was allways a little jelouse of the Cummins But NEVER want to deal with what ifs with the Tranny ......Def do your research !! Here is my old dog!! Attachment 134841

94mudder 08-08-2012 03:31 PM

Lol the trans might be a tad ****ty but in my mind Dodge gets diesel
ford gets trucks
and chevy gets muscle

rmp213 08-09-2012 10:04 AM

Dodge has one thing going for it over Ford in the truck market, and that's having that mighty Cummins under the hood. I'd agree the Cummins is a superior diesel, but I'd only buy a Dodge with a manual trans. You can build up a Dodge tranny to be pretty stout. I know a lot of Cummins owners who love their Cummins but hate their Dodge lol. The best bet if you ask me is to find a F250/350, pull out the 6.0L and drop in a 5.9 Cummins common rail...or the older Cummins 12V. It's an expensive project, but linking up a Cummins to a Ford truck is a pretty menacing combination..

rmp213 08-09-2012 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 94mudder (Post 1945864)
Lol the trans might be a tad ****ty but in my mind Dodge gets diesel
ford gets trucks
and chevy gets muscle


wow wow wow...easy there! lol

I'd say CUMMINS gets diesel...not Dodge lol

Let's give credit where credit is due...

94mudder 08-09-2012 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rmp213 (Post 1947673)
wow wow wow...easy there! lol

I'd say CUMMINS gets diesel...not Dodge lol

Let's give credit where credit is due...

true true I just said dodge because they use cummins

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 10:38 AM

I have a 2011 Dodge Ram 3500 Cummins 4x4 Crew Cab as a company vehicle. I'll say this:

Great engine, but keep fuel filters changed out every 25,000kms or bye bye injectors.
Keep up your tranny flushes or bye bye tranny.
Good luck getting to 80,000kms without changing u-joints.
Heavy engine, so start saving up front end repair money.
Brakes feel a little weak for such a heavy truck.
Steering feels kinda vague when loaded.
Keep an eye on the steering damper, if it craps out you'll experience the infamous Dodge "Death Wobble" going over train tracks or similar road anomalies.
After about 60,000kms keep a supply of fuses and bulbs on board. They will need a steady diet, especially when towing.

Pluses;

Not as hypersensitive to cold starts, and warms up fast.
Smoother ride than previous models.
Not ridiculous on fuel.
Exhaust brake/Tow-Haul work well together.
Fairly good visibilty.
Underseat rear storage.

rmp213 08-09-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 94mudder (Post 1947682)
true true I just said dodge because they use cummins

I'm not giving you a hard time, it just bothers me when people give Dodge credit for making a good diesel (not that you were). I don't think they'd have much at all going for them if they didn't have a Cummins under the hood

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rmp213

I'm not giving you a hard time, it just bothers me when people give Dodge credit for making a good diesel (not that you were). I don't think they'd have much at all going for them if they didn't have a Cummins under the hood

Kinda how Ford bore the brunt of the whole Navistar fiasco. It's in their truck and they catch the hell for it. I think Ford makes their own Power Stroke now if I'm not mistaken.

94mudder 08-09-2012 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rmp213 (Post 1947826)
I'm not giving you a hard time, it just bothers me when people give Dodge credit for making a good diesel (not that you were). I don't think they'd have much at all going for them if they didn't have a Cummins under the hood

Yeah I know they are different companies but I can't help but say it
but true with out cummins dodge wouldn't even be able to touch ford or chevy

Hunttman01 08-09-2012 06:35 PM

The Cummins is the only thing dodge has going for them. Tranny is weak, interior is cheap....

Ford>

I don't like the looks of anything after 06? For super duties anyways.

Kevin_MacArthur 08-09-2012 09:01 PM

I think ford broke off the partnership with international after the 7.3, if I'm not mistaken, the 6.0 was the first ford produced powerstroke.

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 09:32 PM

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I think ford broke off the partnership with international after the 7.3, if I'm not mistaken, the 6.0 was the first ford produced powerstroke.

Oh. I thought the latest one, the 6.7 was their first. Never had one so I can't say with any certainty.

STX4x405 08-09-2012 09:41 PM

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Oh. I thought the latest one, the 6.7 was their first. Never had one so I can't say with any certainty.

Yeah you are right pat, navistar (international) made the 6.0's. 6.7 is the first ford produced diesel engine. Most of the problems with 6.0's were caused by navistar, not fords design!!!

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by STX4x405

Yeah you are right pat, navistar (international) made the 6.0's. 6.7 is the first ford produced diesel engine. Most of the problems with 6.0's were caused by navistar, not fords design!!!

I see. Yeah the Navistars were problematic. Yet there are still a few people who swear by them. Like I said, I have driven a few but not enough to really judge.

Hunttman01 08-09-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by STX4x405

Yeah you are right pat, navistar (international) made the 6.0's. 6.7 is the first ford produced diesel engine. Most of the problems with 6.0's were caused by the epa making stricter laws regarding emissions , not fords design!!!

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STX4x405 08-09-2012 09:47 PM

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Haha so true hunter!!!

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 09:53 PM

Why do I keep seeing "Fixed" in a bunch of posts?

STX4x405 08-09-2012 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtpatiolantern

I see. Yeah the Navistars were problematic. Yet there are still a few people who swear by them. Like I said, I have driven a few but not enough to really judge.

My dad had a 2006 6.0 with dual 5" straight pipes, and the whole "bullet proof" works, and it was an awesome truck, only problem was the f.I.c.m. (fuel injector control module) went out. He traded that one in on a 2010 6.4 and it was an 8mpg piece of crap, that was in the shop at least twice a Month for the 6 short months he had it before he traded it in. His DPF went out and the truck just stalled blew an 8' long cloud of black smoke then took off loud as all hell because it was like not having a DPF, but then it started running pretty poorly lol

STX4x405 08-09-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtpatiolantern
Why do I keep seeing "Fixed" in a bunch of posts?

Hunter quoted me and changed what I said lol

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by STX4x405

Hunter quoted me and changed what I said lol

Ah! Lol!

Crit 08-09-2012 10:11 PM

Test drive them and see which one you like the best and is the best fit for whatever you are going to be using it for. :cool:

STX4x405 08-09-2012 10:20 PM

I will not lie, my bosses wife has a 2012 2500 mega cab 4x4 Laramie. That truck rides so much better than mine, but the interior on the Laramie which is the same as lariat is pretty pitiful, the seats are insanely uncomfortable, the "premium sound" is worst than my low grade factory system ( before I changed it), and the steering is insanely stiff. The good about the truck... Ummm the megacab is really roomy, the engine has power, but from a dead stop you can spin the tires on fords 6.7's dodges 6.7 cannot, dodges 6.7 pulls like a mule, I've never towed with fords 6.7, dodge does offer 100,000 mile powertrain warranty which is good, but most diesels end up with a programmer so the warranty gets voided so it doesn't matter anyway. This is my comparison from my experiences, but I would say test drive them, and do everything that you will be doing with your truck with each one of them and just see which one does it better

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 10:28 PM

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I will not lie, my bosses wife has a 2012 2500 mega cab 4x4 Laramie. That truck rides so much better than mine, but the interior on the Laramie which is the same as lariat is pretty pitiful, the seats are insanely uncomfortable, the "premium sound" is worst than my low grade factory system ( before I changed it), and the steering is insanely stiff. The good about the truck... Ummm the megacab is really roomy, the engine has power, but from a dead stop you can spin the tires on fords 6.7's dodges 6.7 cannot, dodges 6.7 pulls like a mule, I've never towed with fords 6.7, dodge does offer 100,000 mile powertrain warranty which is good, but most diesels end up with a programmer so the warranty gets voided so it doesn't matter anyway. This is my comparison from my experiences, but I would say test drive them, and do everything that you will be doing with your truck with each one of them and just see which one does it better

Yup yup. My work Ram rides fairly well, but the seats suck. My F150 has really cozy seats.


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STX4x405 08-09-2012 10:47 PM

Just did the research and the ford 6.0 was built by navistar which is international in fall of 2002
in Germany!!!

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 11:00 PM

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Just did the research and the ford 6.0 was built by navistar which is international in fall of 2002
in Germany!!!

Really?!?!?

STX4x405 08-09-2012 11:28 PM

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Really?!?!?

Yep!!!

sgtpatiolantern 08-09-2012 11:35 PM

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Yep!!!

One thing about Power Strokes is they sound awesome winding up! Ford really knows how to make an engine sound great! The new 6.7 sounds so angry spooling right out! And my 5.0 in the F150 sounds so great it's slowly becoming my new favorite song!

STX4x405 08-09-2012 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtpatiolantern

One thing about Power Strokes is they sound awesome winding up! Ford really knows how to make an engine sound great! The new 6.7 sounds so angry spooling right out! And my 5.0 in the F150 sounds so great it's slowly becoming my new favorite song!

Oh yeah, powerstroke+straight pipes= let me play the song of my people lol.

I can tell the sound of a powerstroke from a mile away!!! I guess because I've been around them so much

firefightinb 08-10-2012 09:40 AM

I've seen alot of people say they wouldn't buy a 250 cause of having to add DEF. The guys that do have it say it's not that big of a deal. I work on a fire dept and we are getting a new fire engine that has a cummins in it and it will have to have DEF added to it. I wonder if Dodges will soon have to have DEF if the Govt. tightens up emissions again. So I guess this shouldn't be a deciding factor in what truck I get?

sgtpatiolantern 08-10-2012 10:09 AM

Some Dodges do, I believe on the 4500 and 5500 series trucks. I have a 2011 3500 and it doesn't require it. I have heard they all will soon, but I haven't heard any solid evidence to back that.

firefightinb 08-10-2012 10:33 AM

I guess my main question is should I not buy a 250 just because of having to add xtra fluid? This would be my first diesel and it seems everyone has different pros and cons about both the 250 and Dodge 2500. I have test drove 2012 of each and they both seem like pretty good trucks. Haven't hauled anything with either though.

sgtpatiolantern 08-10-2012 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by firefightinb (Post 1949895)
I guess my main question is should I not buy a 250 just because of having to add xtra fluid? This would be my first diesel and it seems everyone has different pros and cons about both the 250 and Dodge 2500. I have test drove 2012 of each and they both seem like pretty good trucks. Haven't hauled anything with either though.

I don't think it's filled very often. Check and see what the interval is for topping up. Most lube shops where I am carry it, and you wouldn't even have to do it yourself. I have no idea what the cost would be. I don't know of anyone who has had to buy any fluid. Personally, it would not deter me. I have a brand preference and I stick to what I know so this would not be a deal breaker for me. Make a few calls and see what costs are involved.

firefightinb 08-11-2012 12:16 PM

Thx man!

sgtpatiolantern 08-11-2012 12:38 PM

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Thx man!

Did a little research. Here in Canada it sells for $20 for two US gallons. Looks like the tank is filled on average at the oil change interval. Severe service expect to use more.

firefightinb 08-13-2012 05:18 AM

I saw some at Autozone 2 1/2 gal for $15

4x4 john 08-17-2012 05:10 AM

The DEF should only be a minor concern imo the the biggest thing for me at 6'02"/265lbs is how comfortable the truck is... Dodge finally stepped true game up on interiors but they are still not much better than a Ford ranger! And yes the motor is no doubt stout but what good is that if everything around it is falling to pieces. Just my .02c but I've owned 7 Ford trucks with great reliability engine and trim. My brother and wife love dodge and every time I get in one of their cars or trucks something else is falling apart. Buy the Ford swap the motor for a cummins and put in a GMC denali interior and you will be happy for years to come!

dilloncawthon 08-17-2012 01:42 PM

yeah the def is only added every oil change interval or so. i just picked up my f250 the other day. today was the first heavy load i've hauled with it.

2000lb pallet of sweet feed. you couldn't even tell it was back there while driving unless you looked back.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...73279904_n.jpg

Red1999XLT 08-20-2012 07:06 PM

Cummins is better on fuel consumption, but it lacks power. It'll get the job done, but the ford will haul a** away from it lol. I have a 2009 1500 Laramie and its nice. It did have quite a few problems in the beggining but those many problems are fixed lol. So heres the deal basically, Dodge= Mpg, Ford= Power and towing. I havent driven the new powerstroke but ive been in a 2011 2500 and it was nice. If you want a nice interior go with the laramie or else its basically crap. Sorry Dodge. lol

Wolfdog 08-20-2012 10:00 PM

If you travel any interstate just take a look at what is towing.

Chevy, usually blowing black smoke or broke down.....

Dodges look right at home towing but most of them are struggling but still getting the job done.

Power Strokes pull period..... they may burn more fuel but never struggle pulling a load, even in Colorado in the thin air... they pull..

You want to pull with ease or save fuel? to me that's your question you need to answer..

I have had both for work in the not too distant past, and the Ford is why i choose to drive one..

Hunttman01 08-20-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfdog
If you travel any interstate just take a look at what is towing.

Chevy, usually blowing black smoke or broke down.....

Dodges look right at home towing but most of them are owned by kids who never pull trailers and fold their tow mirrors out while smoking everyone out

Power Strokes pull period..... they may burn more fuel but never struggle pulling a load, even in Colorado in the thin air... they pull..

You want to pull with ease or save fuel? to me that's your question you need to answer..

I have had both for work in the not too distant past, and the Ford is why i choose to drive one..

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wintersucks 08-21-2012 01:30 AM

Hands down the Cummins with a 6spd manual for me. If your looking for a manual its also your only option. If you want an awsome truck tho, I'd love to put a cummins in a brand new ford some day. I kinda like the Ford better, but without sticking money into a swap, I'd only put my money down on a dodge. Sad that they don't allow options like they do with trucks 1/4 or 1/2 ton higher rated. Silly as ford has been putting cummins engines in there large trucks for years now.

dilloncawthon 08-21-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wintersucks (Post 1974201)
Hands down the Cummins with a 6spd manual for me. If your looking for a manual its also your only option. If you want an awsome truck tho, I'd love to put a cummins in a brand new ford some day. I kinda like the Ford better, but without sticking money into a swap, I'd only put my money down on a dodge. Sad that they don't allow options like they do with trucks 1/4 or 1/2 ton higher rated. Silly as ford has been putting cummins engines in there large trucks for years now.

what trucks exactly has ford been putting cummins in?

Hunttman01 08-21-2012 12:04 PM

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what trucks exactly has ford been putting cummins in?

F550 f650

dilloncawthon 08-21-2012 02:19 PM

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F550 f650

I would barely consider those ford trucks. they are made by blue diamond and international. all ford does is make the cab for them.

05 4x4 Triton 08-21-2012 05:39 PM

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I know more people that use their Cummins on regular basis to tow and haul then I do Powerstroke owners. Making generalizations about one brand of truck driver is almost never accurate. You can defend Ford all you want but the truth of the matter is that all of the big three diesel trucks are roughly on par with each other. It's hard to defend Ford when the 6.o was a complete disaster. You can't blame it's numerous problems on epa regulations either considering that the major problems involved head studs, gaskets and oil coolers. The EGR was just ANOTHER problem they had. I don't know about you but but it seems odd to me that in the past 10 years Ford has used 4 completely different diesel engines while Chevy has used 1 basic platform and Dodge has used 2.

Kevin_MacArthur 08-21-2012 07:02 PM

They're slowly coming back to 7.3, duhhhh.

STX4x405 08-21-2012 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton

I know more people that use their Cummins on regular basis to tow and haul then I do Powerstroke owners. Making generalizations about one brand of truck driver is almost never accurate. You can defend Ford all you want but the truth of the matter is that all of the big three diesel trucks are roughly on par with each other. It's hard to defend Ford when the 6.o was a complete disaster. You can't blame it's numerous problems on epa regulations either considering that the major problems involved head studs, gaskets and oil coolers. The EGR was just ANOTHER problem they had. I don't know about you but but it seems odd to me that in the past 10 years Ford has used 4 completely different diesel engines while Chevy has used 1 basic platform and Dodge has used 2.

6.0 a complete disaster???? I believe no buddy!!!! Some had trouble, what truck doesn't have it's downs?? I've never had trouble with a 6.0, or a 7.3 but my 6.4 was crap!!! Not all 6.0's were bad, and once you bullet proofed them, they were as good if not better than a 7.3. If you don't know, bullet proofing is shorter head studs, egr delete, straight piped, and a nice programmer, do all these things and you one hell of a truck. And I have driven powerstrokes, and cummins, I have pulled with my bosses 2012 cummins Laramie 4wd and it pulls like a mule, the interior sucks, and they do not have as much low end power!!!

powerstroke11 08-22-2012 01:39 AM

My dad is really happy with his 2011 powerstroke. But only has 6000 miles on it. I'm trying to get him to do a emissions delete and strait pipe it like my cousin did to his 2012

SteelCity USW 08-22-2012 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton

I know more people that use their Cummins on regular basis to tow and haul then I do Powerstroke owners. Making generalizations about one brand of truck driver is almost never accurate. You can defend Ford all you want but the truth of the matter is that all of the big three diesel trucks are roughly on par with each other. It's hard to defend Ford when the 6.o was a complete disaster. You can't blame it's numerous problems on epa regulations either considering that the major problems involved head studs, gaskets and oil coolers. The EGR was just ANOTHER problem they had. I don't know about you but but it seems odd to me that in the past 10 years Ford has used 4 completely different diesel engines while Chevy has used 1 basic platform and Dodge has used 2.

The 6.0 wasn't a complete disaster. What a lot of people are unaware of is that the 7.3's in the early years actually had more recalls than the 6.0. But they corrected them and that motor became a staple in Ford diesel history. I just recently parted with a 2006 F350 King Ranch. I had over 170,000 miles on my 6.0 when I handed over the keys. That truck had a tuner, EGR delete and ARP studs put in and it was an absolute monster. They bug problems with the 6.0's where the early years. Took time to learn.

I actually have to agree with you about how they kept changing the motors compared to the other companies. However, Ford and Navistar (international) where trying to keep up with the constant changing EPA rules. 6.0's where built for the introduction of the EGR valve design. The 6.4l where designed to handle the new DPF system. This was called the 2010 rule. Which in my opinion killed diesel engine designs from the past.

And as for the OP. test drive everything you can with every option until you found what makes you happy then test drive some more. Me personally I am a ford guy. But IMO if it's American made your good to go.

SteelCity USW 08-22-2012 02:25 AM

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05 4x4 Triton 08-22-2012 11:31 AM

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6.0 a complete disaster???? I believe no buddy!!!! Some had trouble, what truck doesn't have it's downs?? I've never had trouble with a 6.0, or a 7.3 but my 6.4 was crap!!! Not all 6.0's were bad, and once you bullet proofed them, they were as good if not better than a 7.3. If you don't know, bullet proofing is shorter head studs, egr delete, straight piped, and a nice programmer, do all these things and you one hell of a truck. And I have driven powerstrokes, and cummins, I have pulled with my bosses 2012 cummins Laramie 4wd and it pulls like a mule, the interior sucks, and they do not have as much low end power!!!

You just proved my point. Once you dump an extra 4k into then it's a good truck. It'll probably be more than that plus you didn't mention the oil cooler which is a good idea to upgrade as well. Not to mention the turbo problems that multiple 6.0's had. When I research vehicles I don't have the mentality of "Oh well when I do this and this to it then it will be fine"

05 4x4 Triton 08-22-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SteelCity USW (Post 1976481)
The 6.0 wasn't a complete disaster. What a lot of people are unaware of is that the 7.3's in the early years actually had more recalls than the 6.0. But they corrected them and that motor became a staple in Ford diesel history. I just recently parted with a 2006 F350 King Ranch. I had over 170,000 miles on my 6.0 when I handed over the keys. That truck had a tuner, EGR delete and ARP studs put in and it was an absolute monster. They bug problems with the 6.0's where the early years. Took time to learn.

I actually have to agree with you about how they kept changing the motors compared to the other companies. However, Ford and Navistar (international) where trying to keep up with the constant changing EPA rules. 6.0's where built for the introduction of the EGR valve design. The 6.4l where designed to handle the new DPF system. This was called the 2010 rule. Which in my opinion killed diesel engine designs from the past.

And as for the OP. test drive everything you can with every option until you found what makes you happy then test drive some more. Me personally I am a ford guy. But IMO if it's American made your good to go.

Yeah, I'm sure your 6.0 was fine but how much money did you have to invest to do all those things to the truck? I'm guessing it wasn't cheap. I'm not saying Fords are the only trucks with problems and the earlier years models of any brand of engine are going to be problematic but 6.0's were exceptionally problematic in my opinion. I even had a Ford certified technician tell me that he liked the 6.0's because they were good for his business. If that isn't sad I don't know what is.

SteelCity USW 08-22-2012 01:47 PM

They have these things called warranties. Crazy little things. Lol. So I paid 1500 for and additional 100,000 mile warranty. So my motor was covered til 200,000 miles. And you can look it up. What a lot of people don't tell you is ford knew Navistar was having problems so they offered everyone with a Powerstroke A chance to buy this huge warranty that covered the entire motor and not just the 6.0. The 7.3 and the 6.4 had it offered as well. And it also came with a zero deductible. The only thing I had to pay for on the motor was the aftermarket head stud bolts that obviously ford didn't have 500$ then 399$ for the EGR kit. So a whopping 900$ I had to put into that motor out of pocket. Now I also had custom tunes and suspension Add ons as well as stacks and custom wheels and tires so that can add up in a different category under self inflicted.

SteelCity USW 08-22-2012 01:48 PM

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Yeah, I'm sure your 6.0 was fine but how much money did you have to invest to do all those things to the truck? I'm guessing it wasn't cheap. I'm not saying Fords are the only trucks with problems and the earlier years models of any brand of engine are going to be problematic but 6.0's were exceptionally problematic in my opinion. I even had a Ford certified technician tell me that he liked the 6.0's because they were good for his business. If that isn't sad I don't know what is.

How many problems and or miles did you have with your 6.0?

STX4x405 08-22-2012 06:24 PM

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How many problems and or miles did you have with your 6.0?

He probably never had one lol he is probably talking from other peoples experiences not his own!!!

Hunttman01 08-22-2012 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton

I know more people that use their Cummins on regular basis to tow and haul then I do Powerstroke owners. Making generalizations about one brand of truck driver is almost never accurate. You can defend Ford all you want but the truth of the matter is that all of the big three diesel trucks are roughly on par with each other. It's hard to defend Ford when the 6.o was a complete disaster. You can't blame it's numerous problems on epa regulations either considering that the major problems involved head studs, gaskets and oil coolers. The EGR was just ANOTHER problem they had. I don't know about you but but it seems odd to me that in the past 10 years Ford has used 4 completely different diesel engines while Chevy has used 1 basic platform and Dodge has used 2.

Making assumptions on one motor isn't always accurate either. Over half the Cummins owners I know never tow. And Ford sells more diesels then dodge and Chevy combined

STX4x405 08-22-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunttman01
Making assumptions on one motor isn't always accurate either. Over half the Cummins owners I know never tow. And Ford sells more diesels then dodge and Chevy combined

Thank you hunter!!! Plus what about cummins crappy transmissions??? Yeah all dodge products are known for transmission problems!!! I like cummins don't get me wrong, I had a gas dodge and I know for a fact that If I ever get another dodge the only way I'll get one is if it has a cummins, I dont know about y'all, but the op was talking about comparing 6.7 ford vs 6.7 dodge, and somehow the subject got changed to the 6.0 being a complete disaster!!! how did that happen? Lol

SteelCity USW 08-22-2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by STX4x405

Thank you hunter!!! Plus what about cummins crappy transmissions??? Yeah all dodge products are known for transmission problems!!! I like cummins don't get me wrong, I had a gas dodge and I know for a fact that If I ever get another dodge the only way I'll get one is if it has a cummins, I dont know about y'all, but the op was talking about comparing 6.7 ford vs 6.7 dodge, and somehow the subject got changed to the 6.0 being a complete disaster!!! how did that happen? Lol

True the topic curved unfortunately. And as for the 6.7 my dad has one and this is the first one that right out of the box has been great on fuel and tows like a tank. Great truck with An unbelievable interior and rides great. However the only way your gonna know what works for you is to get your azz out there and test drive the hell out of them. To the OP it's your ride to choose. Never let anyone talk you into something lol sit down and figure out what makes most sense for you.

STX4x405 08-22-2012 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelCity USW

True the topic curved unfortunately. And as for the 6.7 my dad has one and this is the first one that right out of the box has been great on fuel and tows like a tank. Great truck with An unbelievable interior and rides great. However the only way your gonna know what works for you is to get your azz out there and test drive the hell out of them. To the OP it's your ride to choose. Never let anyone talk you into something lol sit down and figure out what makes most sense for you.

X2!!!

wintersucks 08-23-2012 06:17 AM

I believe the Aisin/auto has been holding up pretty well. One friend of mine has the aisin and works the snot out of it hauling cattle on a daily basis. Only issue he has really had with his '08 has been emission issues throwing it into limp mode a couple times. Another 10K or so at that thing is getting gutted. The better way in my opinion to solve the dodge tranny problems is to pick one with an NV5600 or G56.

05 4x4 Triton 08-23-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelCity USW (Post 1977209)
They have these things called warranties. Crazy little things. Lol. So I paid 1500 for and additional 100,000 mile warranty. So my motor was covered til 200,000 miles. And you can look it up. What a lot of people don't tell you is ford knew Navistar was having problems so they offered everyone with a Powerstroke A chance to buy this huge warranty that covered the entire motor and not just the 6.0. The 7.3 and the 6.4 had it offered as well. And it also came with a zero deductible. The only thing I had to pay for on the motor was the aftermarket head stud bolts that obviously ford didn't have 500$ then 399$ for the EGR kit. So a whopping 900$ I had to put into that motor out of pocket. Now I also had custom tunes and suspension Add ons as well as stacks and custom wheels and tires so that can add up in a different category under self inflicted.

So if you paid 1500 for an extended warranty plus 900 for parts as well as labor to have the parts intalled please tell me how you arrive at a total of 900? Also, I was un-aware that you personally had to drive a vehicle to be knowledgeable about it. Last I checked joining forums and doing research was the best way to actually learn something about a truck or cars in genral, not physically driving it.

05 4x4 Triton 08-23-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunttman01 (Post 1977757)
Making assumptions on one motor isn't always accurate either. Over half the Cummins owners I know never tow. And Ford sells more diesels then dodge and Chevy combined

I don't know where you get that fact, I can't find any evidence to support that ford sells more diesels than dodge and chevy combined. Do you have any actual evidence supporting that fact?

SteelCity USW 08-23-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton

So if you paid 1500 for an extended warranty plus 900 for parts as well as labor to have the parts intalled please tell me how you arrive at a total of 900? Also, I was un-aware that you personally had to drive a vehicle to be knowledgeable about it. Last I checked joining forums and doing research was the best way to actually learn something about a truck or cars in genral, not physically driving it.

First off I never said you needed to personally drive the truck to be oh so knowledgable about it such as yourself. I simply asked and really figured by the way you were talking that you have or had one. The next person made the comment that apparently made that assumption.

Second, since they were already replacing my head gaskets UNDER WARRANTY the labor was covered. So I provided my mechanic parts and he installed them instead of the stock ones.

geabis 08-23-2012 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton

I don't know where you get that fact, I can't find any evidence to support that ford sells more diesels than dodge and chevy combined. Do you have any actual evidence supporting that fact?

Ford does sell a lot of sd trucks that's what makes their 1-4 year resell value so ****ty compared to ram and gm.

But the gm figures state that they sell the most heavy duty pickups in the USA it is spread between two lines so on paper ford out sells gmc and Chevy but not gmc and Chevy combined.

But no where have I ever seen or read that ford sells more trucks than Chevy and ram combined.

So I'm with you on this one.

Kevin_MacArthur 08-23-2012 03:19 PM

http://www.internationalpowerstroke.com/73psd.html

geabis 08-23-2012 03:49 PM

"where did you hear that?". "Internet". " aahh, then it must be true"

Am general and gm have a good bit more produced of the 6.2l and 6.5l around the world in military use and still in production for that purpose.

If you include the 6.6 that is used in every Isuzu hd and md truck outside of the united states. I am certain It far surpasses 2 million.

So it's truly a matter of perspective when you don't limit it to pickups on American roads.

Kevin_MacArthur 08-23-2012 04:17 PM

2 million is just the 7.3

05 4x4 Triton 08-23-2012 04:39 PM

International may have produceed 2 million 7.3's but I would imagine that cummins produced at least that if not more 5.9's. It's hard to compare them though because both had industrial uses other than comsumer trucks. 2 million is alot of engines to produce but it still doesn't support the statement that Ford outsells GM and Dodge in diesels because the last 7.3 was made 10 years ago.

Hunttman01 08-23-2012 04:52 PM

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=24077

05 4x4 Triton 08-23-2012 06:50 PM

The article said that for 2005 they sold less than the competiotn combined. As for Ford selling more diesels on an annual basis than Chevy and Dodge combined I don't know how they can make that claim when they have just admitted to not selling as many as the competion combined in 2005.

Hunttman01 08-23-2012 06:56 PM

Super Duty continues to be the diesel leader. Ford Motor Company sold nearly as many diesel Super Duty's in 2005 (242,545) as the combined total of diesel trucks sold by the competition (296,682). They are on track to do the same for 2006.

First thing onthe page

05 4x4 Triton 08-23-2012 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunttman01 (Post 1980646)
Super Duty continues to be the diesel leader. Ford Motor Company sold nearly as many diesel Super Duty's in 2005 (242,545) as the combined total of diesel trucks sold by the competition (296,682). They are on track to do the same for 2006.

First thing onthe page

That's my point. You just said it. In 2005 they DID NOT sell as many as the other two combined. You said "ford sells more diesels than dodge and chevy combined" they don't.

05 4x4 Triton 08-23-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunttman01 (Post 1977757)
Making assumptions on one motor isn't always accurate either. Over half the Cummins owners I know never tow. And Ford sells more diesels then dodge and Chevy combined

And here it is in case you forgot you said it

Hunttman01 08-23-2012 07:06 PM

Close enough. Note how close the numbers are...

05 4x4 Triton 08-23-2012 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunttman01 (Post 1980663)
Close enough. Note how close the numbers are...

I think you should note that the number ford sold is lower than the number dodge and chevy did. I don't care if 300,000 people bought a ford diesel in 2005, it still doesn't have an effect on the quality of the product

geabis 08-23-2012 07:24 PM

The article is at least credible. Not a Internet blogger posting non-sence about a deceased block that ulsd has buried long ago. But I do miss the 7.3. It was the last bullet proof ford diesel. Rip.

In 2006 gm introduced the lbz. It boasted more power than the competition and less maintenance costs backed by a 6spd auto. And I believe this was the start of the pickup diesel race. This was also a year that ram increased diesel availability bc of the demand. and I believe ford has been playing catchup untill the introduction of another ford built block with 6.7 and the 6 spd auto in 2011. Ram has and probably always will stand tall on the cummins. But their chassis lack the heavy duty appeal that ford and gm has. I mean their crew can dually boasts 2500# of payload. Come on! ford and gm has over 4k on a single rear wheel.

And the article is very selective in not including gmc. As gmc has a more extensive truck line than Chevy. So by playing with the wording it is secretly misleading.

05 4x4 Triton 08-23-2012 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by geabis (Post 1980695)
The article is at least credible. Not a Internet blogger posting non-sence about a deceased block that ulsd has buried long ago. But I do miss the 7.3. It was the last bullet proof ford diesel. Rip.

In 2006 gm introduced the lbz. It boasted more power than the competition and less maintenance costs backed by a 6spd auto. And I believe this was the start of the pickup diesel race. This was also a year that ram increased diesel availability bc of the demand. and I believe ford has been playing catchup untill the introduction of another ford built block with 6.7 and the 6 spd auto in 2011. Ram has and probably always will stand tall on the cummins. But their chassis lack the heavy duty appeal that ford and gm has. I mean their crew can dually boasts 2500# of payload. Come on! ford and gm has over 4k on a single rear wheel.

And the article is very selective in not including gmc. As gmc has a more extensive truck line than Chevy. So by playing with the wording it is secretly misleading.

That's exactly what I thought haha. I agree with you about the LBZ, it is probably chevy's best diesel engine. However, I'm not sure where you get that about the payload of the dodge because according to their website a crew cab 3500 can haul like 4400lbs or something. They claim the outdoorsman 2500 can haul like 4400 but i wouldn't ever do it on a srw ha

geabis 08-23-2012 10:23 PM

I'm in the market for a new hd (trading my limited f150) have to use my personal vehicle to cover for everytime the company 450 is in the shop ( never seen a bigger pos than the 6.4) and have been looking at the longhorn megacab 3500 and it's like 2500# with 3:73's and the cummins 4x4 , on their payload towing calculator. I can get out to 17000# towing by going with 4:10's. But don't think it changes the payload. Now their commercial line boasts more payload but it's a chassis cab.

geabis 08-23-2012 10:29 PM

You are correct. I was looking at the shortbed. It's the only option available with the megacab. So that pretty much leaves me less choices.

geabis 08-23-2012 10:46 PM

Still falls short on towing and payload compared to ford and with the crew in the ram , rear seat leg room is less than the ford it's about equal in the megacab.

SteelCity USW 08-23-2012 11:06 PM

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You are correct. I was looking at the shortbed. It's the only option available with the megacab. So that pretty much leaves me less choices.

Sharp truck man. I hope they give you proper money for that bad ass limited. But I'm sure that Ram won't disappoint. Gotta post some pics when you pick it up.

geabis 08-23-2012 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelCity USW

Sharp truck man. I hope they give you proper money for that bad ass limited. But I'm sure that Ram won't disappoint. Gotta post some pics when you pick it up.

Thanks. I'll post up whatever I get. Probably not till dec or jan. after my company's bonuses are distributed.

andrew72 08-29-2012 04:33 PM

I'm depressed that I have to buy a freakin' Dodge if I ever want to feel a manual transmission pulling 800+ lb feet in a big truck.

Several working class people I know that drove my friends manual cummins made serious financial sacrifices to get one of their own. It's such a fun experience for a truck dork.

I read forums like this and everyone wishes Ford made a super duty with a manual. Am I over-estimating the amount of people who want one? It seems like everyone does.

geabis 08-29-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew72
I'm depressed that I have to buy a freakin' Dodge if I ever want to feel a manual transmission pulling 800+ lb feet in a big truck.

Several working class people I know that drove my friends manual cummins made serious financial sacrifices to get one of their own. It's such a fun experience for a truck dork.

I read forums like this and everyone wishes Ford made a super duty with a manual. Am I over-estimating the amount of people who want one? It seems like everyone does.

The manual trans model only has 600 ft/ lbs of torque.

nfldfordman 08-30-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by speeddemon86 (Post 1941186)
Guy I know had a 6.4 powerstroke and traded it for a 6.7 dodge. Says the dodge is way easier on fuel which was his biggest complaint on the pstroke. Said plowing with the powerstroke he only got like 180km on a full tank of fuel and like 450km driving normally. Says he gets almost 700 with the cummins. This isnt personal experience just what I've been told. And another buddy of mine had quite a few problems with his powerstroke. I don't really know top many people with either motor especially the cummins so I haven't heard much about it.

the new 6.7 powerstroke is supposed to be much more fuel efficient :).

nfldfordman 08-30-2012 03:39 PM

I hear the cummins is a good engine for sure,
BUT F-250 all the way!
-Zach

nfldfordman 08-30-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rmp213 (Post 1947669)
Dodge has one thing going for it over Ford in the truck market, and that's having that mighty Cummins under the hood. I'd agree the Cummins is a superior diesel...The best bet if you ask me is to find a F250/350, pull out the 6.0L and drop in a 5.9 Cummins common rail...or the older Cummins 12V. It's an expensive project, but linking up a Cummins to a Ford truck is a pretty menacing combination..

that it would be! man if I had a super duty and the means to pull that off, I'd do it. who knows, maybe I will some day...not likely though. I'd rather stick to F-150s and Triton V8s. or the newer engines over time since i'd rather never buy a brand new truck (sorry, they have more character with age and it's fun to do old trucks up).

but i agree, that would be a basass combo!!!

Jake2345 09-30-2012 12:42 AM

Simple
You want a truck to go to the Market, get a Dodge
You want a work truck, a mans truck? Get a Ford
P.S.
Ford is building the 6.7L Powerstroke, no other motor, and Dodge also has fuel/oil pump issues, rear/front diff issues, and now this is something I've heard, the front axles are not as tough as the Fords, hell even the Chevys...As well I know of a few guys who have had major injector issues with the Cummins, and regardless of how much you take care of the Dodge tranny, it will blow up
Ford might have had the 6.0 and the 6.4, but when you go to a job site, and go to the Oil Sands in Alberta, and down in the states, what do you see? you know what I see? Fords.....End of story
But its whatever floats your boat, I'll buy a Ford before a piece of crap dodge or chevy

geabis 09-30-2012 02:28 PM

The 2013 ram hd has many improvements. The frame is stronger. The axles are stronger. It now has comparable payloads and towing to the super duty. 850 ft/lbs of torque and a stronger trans. Roll stability for the duallys not found on the super duty. Seems like ram has made notes of the complaints. And fixed them all. It also boasts a 15 k oil change on the cummins with extended fuel filter change interval also.

brianford 09-30-2012 07:03 PM

First year model on a new transmission in a Dodge?

Holy sh**. If you drop 50K+ on that it's essentially established that you really hate money.

STX4x405 09-30-2012 09:22 PM

I'm sorry but a $50,000 dodge doesn't exist lol but seriously my boss's megacab Laramie 4x4 2500 had a $52,000 sticker and he brought it home for $34,000 brand new lol

geabis 09-30-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brianford
First year model on a new transmission in a Dodge?

Holy sh**. If you drop 50K+ on that it's essentially established that you really hate money.

Just like those who bought a 2011 super duty.

Red1999XLT 10-01-2012 04:47 AM

Im sorry but if i ever get a 3/4 or 1 ton truck itll be the dodge. Dodge isnt all about gadgets and 60k price tags unless u get fully loaded but thats not what a truck is about. A truck is about what itll do. and the dodge will do anything you tell it to do and more.

geabis 10-01-2012 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Red1999XLT
Im sorry but if i ever get a 3/4 or 1 ton truck itll be the dodge. Dodge isnt all about gadgets and 60k price tags unless u get fully loaded but thats not what a truck is about. A truck is about what itll do. and the dodge will do anything you tell it to do and more.

I agree. Although mine would probably have all the gadgets.

The ram also retains resell better than ford. If you do a used price comparison of a 2011 f350 kr vs a 2011 3500 longhorn both decked out you will find that the resell on the ram is $7k more than the ford with the same options and mileage. And you would have spent $5k less up front. What's not to like. Win win. Your up $12k and its all in your pocket. And I don't want to hear the reliability thing bc they both have factory warrantees. And my 09 f450 was the biggest pos I ever drove it was in the shop for 4 weeks just bc the accessory belt was on back order. A truck in the shop isn't making you any money. Owned it for 2 years and 20k miles and it spent a total of 3 months in the shop. What a pos.

on a side note. I guess if I was using it in the oil sands of Canada instead of a babied personal backup vehicle to my company trucks. It would have not broken down. And the first model of a new engine trans combo is a load if bs. Bc I have a 08 f350 gen1 6.4 and haven't had lick if problem with it and it has over 200k on it ( knock on wood) But the 3rd gen 6.4 in the 450 crapped out from day1 10 miles from the dealer.

Jake2345 10-02-2012 01:29 AM

I'm a Ford fan, my truck is the best thing I've ever bought, I will NOT buy a Dodge, or a Chevy
that being said; Dodges are one of the cheapest brands to buy at the moment, Chevy in close second(With Nissan and Toyota if I'm correct) and from what I've heard, Ford is the most costly, but and again in my opinion, one of the toughest, best, most durable out there
The 6.7L Cummins isn't what it all hyped up too be, they have had MORE issues on that, then some of the Powerstrokes(but not as bad as the Powerstroke); ie, oil/fuel pump failures, front ends going out, rear diffs, axles (I'veheard of this from 2 different sources) snapping off when under presure...etc
Like I said, look on the Oil Sands, what do they drive
Fords, rarely will you see a Dodge or Chevy there

geabis 10-02-2012 04:16 AM

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All too often ford propaganda and individuals repeat these statistics as if they actually have a greater meaning. The company trucks of the oil sands are bought on fleet deals. You will never see the company buying the most expensive truck or the best equipped truck what they end up buying is the cheapest truck to do the job. The qualifications that need to be met are to convey one or two people to and from the sight while hauling tools and parts ( can be met by any pickup on the market). These contracts are awarded yearly and have very little to due with the quality of the vehicle , just the best bottom line. And the best bottom line for a company buying hundreds of trucks isn't the best bottom line for you and me. Because ford will discount for the media play and advertisement. The only truck that matters at the oil sands is the cat 797. Which they rely on heavily. I've attached a picture of the oil sands maintenance shop that has a cat in the hanger and two Chevys, a ram, a ranger but no f series to be found in the employee parking lot. So it would seem to me that the employees after having to work with the f series don't even want one as a personal vehicle.


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