F250 or Dodge 2500?
08-21-2012, 10:17 PM
#51
Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton
I know more people that use their Cummins on regular basis to tow and haul then I do Powerstroke owners. Making generalizations about one brand of truck driver is almost never accurate. You can defend Ford all you want but the truth of the matter is that all of the big three diesel trucks are roughly on par with each other. It's hard to defend Ford when the 6.o was a complete disaster. You can't blame it's numerous problems on epa regulations either considering that the major problems involved head studs, gaskets and oil coolers. The EGR was just ANOTHER problem they had. I don't know about you but but it seems odd to me that in the past 10 years Ford has used 4 completely different diesel engines while Chevy has used 1 basic platform and Dodge has used 2.
08-22-2012, 12:39 AM
#52
My dad is really happy with his 2011 powerstroke. But only has 6000 miles on it. I'm trying to get him to do a emissions delete and strait pipe it like my cousin did to his 2012
08-22-2012, 01:21 AM
#53
Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton
I know more people that use their Cummins on regular basis to tow and haul then I do Powerstroke owners. Making generalizations about one brand of truck driver is almost never accurate. You can defend Ford all you want but the truth of the matter is that all of the big three diesel trucks are roughly on par with each other. It's hard to defend Ford when the 6.o was a complete disaster. You can't blame it's numerous problems on epa regulations either considering that the major problems involved head studs, gaskets and oil coolers. The EGR was just ANOTHER problem they had. I don't know about you but but it seems odd to me that in the past 10 years Ford has used 4 completely different diesel engines while Chevy has used 1 basic platform and Dodge has used 2.
I actually have to agree with you about how they kept changing the motors compared to the other companies. However, Ford and Navistar (international) where trying to keep up with the constant changing EPA rules. 6.0's where built for the introduction of the EGR valve design. The 6.4l where designed to handle the new DPF system. This was called the 2010 rule. Which in my opinion killed diesel engine designs from the past.
And as for the OP. test drive everything you can with every option until you found what makes you happy then test drive some more. Me personally I am a ford guy. But IMO if it's American made your good to go.
08-22-2012, 10:31 AM
#55
Senior Member
6.0 a complete disaster???? I believe no buddy!!!! Some had trouble, what truck doesn't have it's downs?? I've never had trouble with a 6.0, or a 7.3 but my 6.4 was crap!!! Not all 6.0's were bad, and once you bullet proofed them, they were as good if not better than a 7.3. If you don't know, bullet proofing is shorter head studs, egr delete, straight piped, and a nice programmer, do all these things and you one hell of a truck. And I have driven powerstrokes, and cummins, I have pulled with my bosses 2012 cummins Laramie 4wd and it pulls like a mule, the interior sucks, and they do not have as much low end power!!!
08-22-2012, 10:36 AM
#56
Senior Member
The 6.0 wasn't a complete disaster. What a lot of people are unaware of is that the 7.3's in the early years actually had more recalls than the 6.0. But they corrected them and that motor became a staple in Ford diesel history. I just recently parted with a 2006 F350 King Ranch. I had over 170,000 miles on my 6.0 when I handed over the keys. That truck had a tuner, EGR delete and ARP studs put in and it was an absolute monster. They bug problems with the 6.0's where the early years. Took time to learn.
I actually have to agree with you about how they kept changing the motors compared to the other companies. However, Ford and Navistar (international) where trying to keep up with the constant changing EPA rules. 6.0's where built for the introduction of the EGR valve design. The 6.4l where designed to handle the new DPF system. This was called the 2010 rule. Which in my opinion killed diesel engine designs from the past.
And as for the OP. test drive everything you can with every option until you found what makes you happy then test drive some more. Me personally I am a ford guy. But IMO if it's American made your good to go.
I actually have to agree with you about how they kept changing the motors compared to the other companies. However, Ford and Navistar (international) where trying to keep up with the constant changing EPA rules. 6.0's where built for the introduction of the EGR valve design. The 6.4l where designed to handle the new DPF system. This was called the 2010 rule. Which in my opinion killed diesel engine designs from the past.
And as for the OP. test drive everything you can with every option until you found what makes you happy then test drive some more. Me personally I am a ford guy. But IMO if it's American made your good to go.
08-22-2012, 12:47 PM
#57
They have these things called warranties. Crazy little things. Lol. So I paid 1500 for and additional 100,000 mile warranty. So my motor was covered til 200,000 miles. And you can look it up. What a lot of people don't tell you is ford knew Navistar was having problems so they offered everyone with a Powerstroke A chance to buy this huge warranty that covered the entire motor and not just the 6.0. The 7.3 and the 6.4 had it offered as well. And it also came with a zero deductible. The only thing I had to pay for on the motor was the aftermarket head stud bolts that obviously ford didn't have 500$ then 399$ for the EGR kit. So a whopping 900$ I had to put into that motor out of pocket. Now I also had custom tunes and suspension Add ons as well as stacks and custom wheels and tires so that can add up in a different category under self inflicted.
Last edited by SteelCity USW; 08-22-2012 at 12:49 PM.
08-22-2012, 12:48 PM
#58
Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton
Yeah, I'm sure your 6.0 was fine but how much money did you have to invest to do all those things to the truck? I'm guessing it wasn't cheap. I'm not saying Fords are the only trucks with problems and the earlier years models of any brand of engine are going to be problematic but 6.0's were exceptionally problematic in my opinion. I even had a Ford certified technician tell me that he liked the 6.0's because they were good for his business. If that isn't sad I don't know what is.
08-22-2012, 05:24 PM
#59
Originally Posted by SteelCity USW
How many problems and or miles did you have with your 6.0?
08-22-2012, 05:27 PM
#60
Iowa Farmer
Originally Posted by 05 4x4 Triton
I know more people that use their Cummins on regular basis to tow and haul then I do Powerstroke owners. Making generalizations about one brand of truck driver is almost never accurate. You can defend Ford all you want but the truth of the matter is that all of the big three diesel trucks are roughly on par with each other. It's hard to defend Ford when the 6.o was a complete disaster. You can't blame it's numerous problems on epa regulations either considering that the major problems involved head studs, gaskets and oil coolers. The EGR was just ANOTHER problem they had. I don't know about you but but it seems odd to me that in the past 10 years Ford has used 4 completely different diesel engines while Chevy has used 1 basic platform and Dodge has used 2.