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Old Sep 22, 2020 | 04:12 PM
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Oh man, I feel like you're spying on me! We operate 2,000hp - 4,000hp natural gas-fired engines, most of which are two-strokes. This article discusses Mobil Serv analysis which we use, as well as, "Maintaining an oil temperature of over 65.5ºC can also limit this chemical process, with even better results for oil temperatures over 71ºC." which is 150-160 degrees F. I guess that's why we control oil inlet temp at 150, outlet temp is usually 8-10 degrees higher. Anywho, thanks for taking the time to look up both articles and share. Getting the engine oil temps up to cook off moisture seems to make sense for long intervals.

Sorry to thread-jack... my stuff above doesn't provide anything meaningful to the trans cooler question. w00t's observation about an internal bypass is intriguing. Makes me wonder how Ecks' temps stayed so low with just a cooler swap. Are there multiple locations to measure fluid temp? I feel like I remember seeing two different temps when scrolling through the Ngauge but I can't look right now.
There is a company that has a delete for the thermostatic bypass valve. Most likely he has that.
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Old Sep 22, 2020 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JustOutaReach
Sorry to thread-jack... my stuff above doesn't provide anything meaningful to the trans cooler question. w00t's observation about an internal bypass is intriguing. Makes me wonder how Ecks' temps stayed so low with just a cooler swap. Are there multiple locations to measure fluid temp? I feel like I remember seeing two different temps when scrolling through the Ngauge but I can't look right now.
Instead of using 200*f fluid (or 170* with an aftermarket stat) to cool the trans my setup only uses the external trans cooler. So it's not supplemental, it completely removes itself from the factory coolant lines.
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Old Sep 22, 2020 | 05:14 PM
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Instead of using 200*f fluid (or 170* with an aftermarket stat) to cool the trans my setup only uses the external trans cooler. So it's not supplemental, it completely removes itself from the factory coolant lines.
oh, duh... my bad LOL. Does your new fan run constantly or did you put it on a switch? Looks like a pretty serious little kit. I may go this route in order to help my stock 10r80 last a little longer when I get the Whipple.

Do you recall how hot your transmission would get on some of your hottest 1/4 mile passes? And did I see somewhere that you just had your transmission overhauled? What all did they swap? Are you racing it this weekend?
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Old Sep 22, 2020 | 05:31 PM
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oh, duh... my bad LOL. Does your new fan run constantly or did you put it on a switch? Looks like a pretty serious little kit. I may go this route in order to help my stock 10r80 last a little longer when I get the Whipple.

Do you recall how hot your transmission would get on some of your hottest 1/4 mile passes? And did I see somewhere that you just had your transmission overhauled? What all did they swap? Are you racing it this weekend?
Yes they're wired to run constantly once the truck is on. I suppose you could run it on a switch if you wanted to.
Trans temps would typically get to about 205-210*f after 1/4 mile passes. Ofcourse that's letting it cool down between runs. Hottest was maybe ~215(ish).
I just replaced my clutches and valve body after 23k hard boosted miles. Trans started slipping pretty early on once I started pulleying down. After seeing how easily the clutch material scratches off I can see how these valve bodies could get blockage pretty easily.
Weather has been crappy here since I got the trans rebuilt so I haven't even had a chance to get on it yet but i'll be at Coyote Shootout this weekend. We'll see how she does. I'll be aiming for mid 10's this season.
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Old Sep 24, 2020 | 04:37 PM
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What would you consider up to temp? I suppose I could always mock up some sort of cover plate to block off some airflow to the trans cooler while daily driving. That may allow it to heat up a bit more.

For racing though, every performance/transmission shop I've talked to said these 10R80's burn up fluid and clutches once you start throwing big power at them and trans coolers are basically a requirement to keep them alive longer.
6 and 10R80 clutches have a duty limit of 600lb-ft. The first gen 3.5's use enough of that during stall that throttle reduction kicks in. With the transmission already operating at it's design limit (for those regularly pushing hard), I definitely wouldn't want to be short-driving it as moisture degrades the adhesive in the friction materIal.

The higher the temp, the quicker water will evaporate. I aim for oem design temp as my M-F driving rarely makes it to temp. 203º appears to be where the thermostatic valve tries to pin the temp, I'm happy with keeping it there. Got a Raptor cooler on the way to kill off the short trips past 203ºF when medium locally. I plan to parallel plumb the old cooler with a remote thermostatic valve that opens 212-233ºF for heavy trips through the mountains.

You could use an external thermostatic valve to suit your daily driving. Improved Racing has a 180-203ºF thermostat that would somewhat mimic the oem unit. Plumb it in parallel with a manual oil control valve and you can get max flow with the turn of a ****.
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Old Sep 24, 2020 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JustOutaReach
oh, duh... my bad LOL. Does your new fan run constantly or did you put it on a switch? Looks like a pretty serious little kit. I may go this route in order to help my stock 10r80 last a little longer when I get the Whipple.

Do you recall how hot your transmission would get on some of your hottest 1/4 mile passes? And did I see somewhere that you just had your transmission overhauled? What all did they swap? Are you racing it this weekend?
For my setup, assuming my transmission started around 205 degrees before the pull, the highest I've seen would be 215 degrees. I am around 625ish rwhp. Towing uphill proves to be the challenge for my transmission temps.
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