Roush 3.5L EcoBoost - Perfomance Pac Tune - Question
 

Anyone have this upgrade? I'm in Canada and there aren't really any tuners near me (Ontario,Canada). This Roush tune is pretty cheap and dealer says I still get to keep extended warranty with tune.
Wanted to know:
- Did gas mileage go way down?
- Does truck shift smoothly still?
- Is there noticeable power gain? (not looking for miracles)
- Is the truck "Drive-able" on Street/Highway?
- Any over heating issue?
- Would you do it again?
- Pros. vs Cons.?
Any help or comments would be greatly appreciated.

A lot of views but not one person here with this upgrade?

That's because we are all wondering the same. The Roush tune sounds too good to be true.

So I need to get it and report back? is that what your telling me? ;)

I don't think it is. I think the gen2 3.5EB is corked up pretty good from factory. 2.5" exhaust to the muffler for 470ft-lbs of torque?

I think the tune leaves a lot of headroom....custom tune, intake, turbo-back exhaust.....there's good power to be had there just on pump gas.

I just think that the numbers that they are reporting are higher than what people are getting with a custom tune. Intakes on these trucks don't add much. A cat-back, yes.

I'm just wondering if it is a good tune, not so concerned about if the numbers are over-inflated.
This is the only tune in Canada I can find and keep my warranty.
Just wondering about downsides of this tune
- If your gas mileage goes down by 25% or If it shifts like crap then I don't then not worth it for me, but If it adds some power to the truck / makes it come alive and doesn't kill my gas mileage completely when on highway or shifts so hard my wife complains ever time she is in it then its a big win.
Otherwise no other option for tune on a brand new 2017 Platinum.

After looking it up it claims 111 whp and 126 torque.

That's 100% within the realm of reason considering the exhaust upgrade mostly. The intake isn't doing anything, but the exhaust replaces the 2.5" section with a resonator that is shrunk down with a 3" straight pipe.

Most people are making about 120 more whp going from untuned 87 to tuned on 93.

I could not believe how much power the performance pac level 2 was claiming to add. I sent an inquiry and see they have now updated their website to reflect a 18 hp and tq bump. So perhaps the claims were too good to be true after all. I'm not saying the engine is not capable of adding the 100+ increases, it just looks like it will not be accomplished with the Roush performance pacs.

Still says 111 RWHP and 126 lb-ft RWTQ for 2017 gen 2 ecoboost the numbers you quoted are for non turbo

http://www.roushperformance.com/part...ck-level2.html

2017 F-150 2.7L EcoBoost: Peak increase of 47 RWHP and 50 lb-ft RWTQ

2017 F-150 3.5L EcoBoost: Peak increase of 111 RWHP and 126 lb-ft RWTQ

2015/2016 F-150 2.7L EcoBoost: Peak increase of 39 RWHP and 39 lb-ft RWTQ

2015/2016 F-150 3.5L EcoBoost: Peak increase of 44 RWHP and 58 lb-ft RWTQ

You're absolutely right. I'm going to give them a call and see if I can get someone on the line. I'm still seriously considering this as $2k including the warranty makes this a really nice deal if the numbers are right.

Its a great deal if you buy only the intake and tune its way cheaper and they quote the same numbers.

Plus my dealer says that they will continue my factory warranty no issues.

the stage 1 with intake and tune is $795 US, plus $500 for the warranty! Still a +101hp gain!

Still blows me away that no one has this installed! I think I will be getting it within the month. I'm in Canada and need to wait for shipping. As soon as I get it I will report back.

My only worry is highway gas mileage.

I think MPT was claiming nearly 450 whp on an otherwise stock truck.


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So i am not surprised in the least that they picked up 111 hp seeing as MPT picked up nearly 150. The 2017's are no joke. They dont seem to crap out up top like the first gens.

My only hesitation is nuking the warranty I have from the factory and the extended warranty I bought. I suppose most of the tuners come with a way to copy the factory tune.

I would have been the first guinea pig for the Roush Power Pack 2 on a 2017 but my deal fell through and I actually have the 2018 now. I have to return my Power Pack now because the 2018 is in development. Sucks! As soon as this pack comes out for the 2018, I will be purchasing, installing and posting the #s!

I emailed Roush asking about the 111 claim... Nothing...

I emailed them asking about retaining factory warranty or attempting to (if their tuner takes a copy of the stock tune, etc), they replied to that one, it doesn't copy the stock tune. They pretty much say the factory warranty is no more (which I expected).

Both 5 Star's performance tune and MPT's tune show roughly same hp / torque gains (even though usually MPT is higher I hear)

The Roush one looks good, just concerned about still being a little sluggish on throttle response. Can't wait for someone to try it out!

Can’t go wrong with the 5* and their warranty for a new truck

Ok so it seems like lots of people have other tunes so maybe you can help.
Can some of you please answer the questions below about your tunes.

- Did gas mileage go way down?
- Does truck shift smoothly still?
- Is the truck "Drive-able" on Street/Highway?
- Any over heating issue?
- Would you do it again?
- Pros. vs Cons.?

Those are all very subjective.

You might want to look into the Whipple ecoboost tune

Subjective????

- Did gas mileage go way down? - Either your gas mileage went up, went down or stayed the same.
- Does truck shift smoothly still? - Either the truck ****s hard, erratic or holds gears way longer or it stayed smooth like factory
- Is the truck "Drive-able" on Street/Highway? - Does you Girlfriend/wife/mom now hate driving with you because your truck lights the tires up at every light - shifts so hard they spill their coffee - holds gear so you constantly sound like you want to race - etc.
- Any over heating issue? - The truck gets a lot hotter, a bit hotter or stayed the same as factory.
- Would you do it again? - You either would do it again or you would spend you money elsewhere.
- Pros. vs Cons.? Any other negatives or positives the truck owner would like to share.

Not looking for miracles.

Did gas mileage go way down? If you get a bad tune the mileage will drop, if you get a good tune and it rocks - you press the skinny pedal more and gas mileage drops

-Does truck shift smoothly still? Depends on your version of smooth, most tuners make the shifts hard and the the ones that don’t have people complain there tunes are weak

- Is the truck "Drive-able" on Street/Highway? yes ,they are drive-able and street able

- Any over heating issue? Not unless your vehicle has has a mechanical problem

- Would you do it again? Yes, but I would try to find a tuner that had more oem Tuning experience

- Pros. vs Cons.? Tunes void your warranty, they also make a lot of extra power

that is about as good as you will get!

the way you drive will greatly affect the mpg and probably even how another person would feel the shifting. This DEFINITELY applies to 'lighting up the tires' - if you ONLY drive with either pedal fully down or off the gas then yes the tires would be lit.

I think with your final 2 question you are trying to determine who regrets it. The tunes are smart enough and the truck is smart enough where I get the impression you will never feel the fact that it is tuned. it will operate as normal just with more power. An additional point is cost, and that too is very subjective. it is totally worth it to me to spend $600 for 100+ rwhp and 123 ft/tq but that does NOT apply to everyone.

I'm waiting to hear when this will be available for the 2018.

does anyone know if this tune will disable the start stop? Also, does this tune change the transmission feel?

I'll have it Friday
 

I just walked out of the dealer picking up my '17 Plat. I am having them put on the Power Pack Level 2 and it should be ready by Friday. I was told, and have it documented, that this does not void my warranty since a certified Ford and Roush installer was doing it. Price was same as online. No brainer at 0% finance.

Looking forward to hearing your review before and after install!

Sorry for the late response here guys. I did get it installed and I like it. At first I was not sure I would like the Roush growl, but I do. It sounded like a Razor to me. On startup the grumble is awesome, but it does come up in pitch pretty high. I knew this would not be an ATAK. I didn't think I would be able to talk on the phone, but people say on the other end that it is not a problem.

The performance is awesome for someone like me who didn't want to go deep into tunes, programming, etc. In sport mode it hauls ass! I'm actually not sure if the flash does anything in regular mode. I need to research that, just been busy. I did not drive my new '17 without the Power Pack on because I had them do it straight from my order., but I did trade in my '13 eco FX4 so I can compare it. It blows it out of the water. I'm sure aluminum frame, more stock HP, tune, and the like all help. would say just make sure you like the exhaust/muffler sound first. It has grown on me.

Fox shocks and catch can are in the mail.

Am I the only person that finds those stock numbers to be stupidly low? Maybe not so much the hp, but the torque is a huge miss. Since when does the 5.0 have more midrange torque?

Any idea why the 17 has nearly 3 times the HP and twice the TQ gains than a '16? Thought they were identical excpet the tranny.
Troy

2017 3.5L Eco Boost is rated at 375 Horsepower and 470 lb.ft. of Torque
2016 3.5L Eco Boost was rated at 365 Horsepower and 420 lb.ft. of Torque

Nope

'17+ is gen2 of the 3.5 ecoboost. basically a brand new motor, plus dual injection (port and direct injection).

I'm suspecting better overhead with the turbos, and the dual injection allows for much better fueling when modified without having to futz around with expensive direct injection parts.

Honestly after looking into it, it's the turbos and the exhaust manifolds. The exhaust manifolds are WAYYYYYY better.

So I'm thinking of getting either the Roush Pac level 1 (tune and CAI) or the Pac level 2 (tune, CAI, and cat back exhaust). I kinda like it quiet (I'm more of a V8 sound guy) but would consider the Roush exhaust if it wasn't too annoying/loud. I leave early in morning and my Raptor was loud as crap when I changed exhaust. Made it difficult to leave while barely feathering the gas pedal and cold tranny not shifting until higher RPM. I don't want that again.

Only reason I am even thinking of this one over a plain tuner is because this is my DD and I want to retain the warranty and not have to get a lawyer if I have an issue. I am willing to pay the dealer to put it in, and more cost up front if it can help save arguments later about what caused the issue. I wont be beating on it or racing or anything, i just would love to have more power and still have my warranty.

Any more info on these? I am not finding much info in any of my searches. The +111hp/+126tq seems crazy to me for only $1500 with exhaust and "possibly" still under warranty. I heard you can only get a 36k warranty with it and it may cost extra?? Will void ESP?? So if I ditch my 125k esp and get money back, it will make this an even cheaper upgrade granted I lose the extended part.

I am thinking it wouldn't really impact MPG, could be slightly higher or lower depending on how I drive. Of course if I get on it a bit I expect the MPG to go down but I'm thinking when just on my 80 mile daily commute doing 55 on hwy hopefully it wouldn't go way down just from this.

No need to get the exhaust unless you absolutely want to, and I'd only do it if it was for sure 3" from the y-pipe back without a reduction to 2.5" before going back to 3" again.

The power difference is with 93 octane, too.

Wonder what the diff is with 91? That's what I get around here. Like a hit of 10-20hp/tq?

It does say on the page it's calibration optimized for 91. Also it can work on lower octanes which is nice that you don't HAVE to run high octane, especially since not everywhere has it.

yep, sorry about that...if it's tuned for 91 that's even better. For me, I'd run 93 if available, but if it's tuned for 91, that tells me there's headroom and safety.

Guarantee it'll run safely on either 91 or 93.

Looking forward to some more reports of installs.

My dealer will charge about $300 for the install if I buy the parts myself. They flat out said they have to pay more for the parts than I can get them for so I can buy them and bring them into install. Was about $500 more going through them. Seems odd to me but I do get materials manufacturer direct much cheaper than going through the retailers. I would think that Ford would get a huge discount but I guess not.

Warranty was good up to the 36k for sure, and they are almost sure that even the ESP will still be good. I am not sure exactly how much is Roush, and how much is Ford but I don't really care as long as I can coverage for a catastrophic failure.

Throwing them a bone will hopefully keep any warranty coverage issues away. They are supposed to be getting me some info in writing stating that they will honor the extended warranty with the roush installed. He spoke to their warranty expert and they agreed it is in writing somewhere they just need to find it.

So under 2k installed for 500HP/600TQ, cat back exhaust and under warranty doesn't sound bad to me.

If the extended warranty thing becomes a bust I would just cancel my extended warranty and get the kit for free lol, take my chances then after 36k.

Have you looked into 5 star and their warranty’s?

No. It's my daily driver and I paid for a Ford ESP to 125k, I was trying to keep things simple and just let the dealer fix everything and not have to battle about engine tuning.

With the 5 star warranty, you use your ford warranty and your esp.

5 Star does the fighting for you.

Then depending on what is wrong and where you have to go back and forth between Ford for non powertrain things and 5 star for powertrain, and you lose the extended on everything not covered by 5 star too.

No thanks, I don't even want to have to deal with one company much less two. I've tuned many vehicles, this isn't my first.

The roush tune also has the same stock speed limiter as a bone stock truck. This means if you take it to the 1/4 mile you're hitting your speed limiter before the end of the 1/4 mile in good weather and depending on the weight of your truck.

I'm not sure you understand how the roush warranty works.

Still a sweet set up if you like the sound of an ecoboost with a catback.

I'm not sure I like the sound, really torn on that. It's cheaper to not do the catback, with HP down a bit but TQ up a bit. I just wish I could drive one to actually hear it inside and out. Videos online suck. I don't mind the startup and idle of a catback, it's just I don't want the fart can sound when I goose it to get up to speed.

My dealer installs and warranties Roush, I realize Roush may be behind the scenes but from my perspective I just drop it off at the dealer and they take care of it. They also say my Ford ESP would still be good to 125k (waiting to get this in writing first). If that last part does not turn out to be true them I am left with either leaving it stock, or tuning it out of warranty (Roush or otherwise).

It looks like you can get the 100+ setup, without the Roush exhaust. That's a huge plus for me. Prior experience on a 5.0 and the Roush exhaust, read that massive amounts of noise and drone, would be a HUGE turn off.
I've got over $1800 invested, and don't have a CAI, just tunes and a Borla, but 445RWH according to the dyno sheet, not mine, MPT's.

Yeah without exhaust it's under 1k installed. Just comes down to warranty and what I can get in writing.

Another point, how hard is it to return to stock? How is the shifting. Will Roush work with you to fine tune? I know prior experience, at least at customer service, was way less than stellar, both email and phone.
Not saying the tune isn't good, but I'd think those are viable questions. What I could find on the website made me wonder. Is it, "Just shut up because I said so", or what. I know MPT and 5* are very approachable, and don't make you feel like you're bothering them.

I don't think I could return to stock easily, it would have to be a trip to the dealer. No idea on the shifting but I already love the stock & sport modes so I assume with more power they would be even better. There just isn't any real reviews that I could find out there.

My problem is there is no where near me to get one tuned even if I wanted to go the route of a different brand (which I prefer not as I've done that before and normally just stayed with the canned tune anyway). When I had my GT500 tuned it was a random time they were up in NE from Florida and I had to take a day off work to do it.

I am kinda stuck with canned tunes and I would like to try the Roush, thinking maybe they know a bit more how to make a canned tune work and if my dealer will do warranty work on it that's a huge plus for me.

Only possible way I would go with a non dealer supported programmer/tune is if I refunded my ESP and just said screw it and be on my own.

Not easily returning to stock would be a deal breaker for me, I just can't see myself turning my wife or daughter loose with that much power. Not that they drive my truck much at all, but the potential is there, plus having an unknown mech drive it to check something out. I could trust my guys here, but not everywhere.
I'm curious if Roush is just letting any dealer do this, usually they only have a select few that are even allowed to sell a Roush Mustang.
Well, all in all, this whole thing is a moot point for me, I'm already tuned, but just thought I'd throw my own thoughts out there.

The Dealership I bought my truck from is a Roush dealer. You cannot easily return to stock, the dealership can, but you cannot.

The Dealership told me they will not honor my warranty nor my extended warranty if I decide to get this this... So, I decided not to get it.

that's why Roush sells a 36 month warranty...

Can get equal or more power from CAI, Catback, 93 Tune from various places with the ability to Flash it back to Stock tune if you do need to visit your dealer.

And if you do that, don’t forget to delete all your forum posts lol.

Update?
 

My truck goes in for the Roush flash tune in about a hour. My Ford dealer assures me that it will not void any of my warranty. I will report back as soon as I pick it up. Truck has Borla Exhaust, Roush CAI and now will have tune. Tank was drained and Shell 91 no ethanol gas put in.

Wish me luck.

My dealer assured me of the same, went up the chain to people above the shop manager. I asked for it in writing that my factory warranty would still be good. They supplied me with the Roush webpage which shows that it can be covered. But that was only under the optional Roush warranty, not the Ford one.

In the end, I lost all faith in the dealer and decided not to do it while under warranty. Not sure I even trust them to do the work at this point when they could not comprehend such a simple question. They should have just said no it will void your powertrain warranty and I would have to get the 36k Roush one. They never gave in and assured me the factory powertrain warranty would still be good.

Good luck.

I'm happy with what I've got as it is, but I'm wondering about the warranty.
If you had this installed at a Roush dealer, would there be a difference? Seems there'd be less hassle from Ford, and you'd already have the Roush gods smiling on you.
But ya, I agree, as far as the regular Ford dealers, I can see some balking at the idea.

This is just one of the fist review/comment I will make on the Roush 3.5L ecoBoost tune. Please note that I know all of this is subjective and I am just trying to help people out who are thinking about getting this tune. I am in no way affiliated with any company. I just wanted to know about the tune before I bought it and there was not a lot of reviews out there.

After a Few DAYS…
My original Questions?

- Did gas mileage go way down?
So, I’ve only put a couple hundred kilometers on the truck but I can already notice that the mileage is affected by the tune. In city it is very easy to press on the loud pedal and watch the mileage go way down, but on the highway, I think with the cruise control set I am getting better mileage then before. As with all mileage on this truck I think that driving habits and wind plays more of a part then the tune. Did my mileage do way down – No, if I drive nice I still seem to be getting good mileage.

- Does truck shift smoothly still?
I have noticed a big difference in the way the truck shifts. I drive a hilly route on my daily commute and noticed right away that the truck does not shift as much. When I am going up a step grade the truck seems to have way more torque and does not down shift as much or at all. This is also noticeable when driving on the highway and accelerating. The truck tends to just accelerate instead of downshifting then accelerating. With the 10-speed transmission this is making for a smoother ride. Does the truck stick shift smooth – I would say even better.

- Is there noticeable power gain? (not looking for miracles)
I did put in shell 91 octane gas before the tune. My seat of the pants dyno tells me the truck is defiantly quicker. Is it mind blowing fast – Not really. So, I would imagine that with 89 fuel you might not notice a really difference. Is there a noticeable power gain – Yes, but it is not going to turn your truck into a race car.

- Is the truck "Drive-able" on Street/Highway?
So far, I would rate this as a mild tune. A lot more torque at low RPM but nothing crazy.

- Any overheating issue?
No to report at this time (its winter)

- Would you do it again?
At this time yes but will report back.

- Pros. vs Cons.?
Pros - Truck seems to shift less frequently, may be getting a bit better gas mileage on highway, noticeable amount of torque gain at low RPM, truck is more fun to drive.

Cons - Without putting 91 in the tank I don’t know how much of a difference you would notice. This could be disappointing. 91 octane costs me about $20 more a tank. Because the truck is fun to drive this means I press the loud pedal more which is driving overall gas mileage down.

I will report back in a week or so. If anyone has any specific questions please let me know.

Thing you have to watch out for on small turbo vehicles is these tunes forcing boost at a lower rpm. Sure, it's nice to have torque at 1500rpm, but that's an incredible amount of stress under load in high gear....the engine is much better off downshifting a few gears to get to 2500rpm than lugging along at low rpm in high gear, even if it makes torque there. Lugging the engine is never good, especially forcing boost in it at 1500-2000rpm in 9th or 10th gear.

Some of these tunes will add in more wastegate duty cycle to create more boost down low. Just something to watch for.

True,and it's never good to lug any engine. The boost at low rpm can wreak havoc.

Run the widest gap you can get away with, without blowing out the spark. IF factory is at .032, you'd want to keep it there, IMO, unless you're blowing out the spark.

has anyone noticed how Roush has changed the numbers drastically on the power pac 1? from huge gains to pretty mild 45+/- hp and tq.

is this tune worth it or just go with someone like unleashed? Ford said they would NOT void my warranty with the roush tune.

Hi,
I have had a Roush tuned 2016 Lariat for 2 years now. It has been great. There was a definite power difference specially when in Sport mode. The exhaust sounds good and I actually find my gas mileage to be on par with the stock truck. I usually run Petro Canada Ultra 94 in it and never had any dash lights or hiccups.

When I bought the truck, I was told that it would not void my warranty in anyway. The package was dealer installed when I bought the truck. I would without a doubt put the package on the truck again. I know have 52k on the ruck with no downside.

Cheers

I have the tune in one of my trucks
 

I did stage one intake and computer flash. Definitely a big increase in horsepower. Under heavy throttle the shifts are very quick and hard. Basically I have no traction in first gear when I punch it on dry pavement. When the truck shifts from 1st to 2nd under full throttleIt spins tires into second gear now. Completely breaks them loose. Gas mileage remained fairly the same possibly went up a little bit. It has no effect on your factory warranty or extended warranty. Unless you’re out there flogging the truck to death breaking parts they’re not gonna give you problems about your warranty. If you use an aftermarket programmer it will leave a signature in your computer. That is one of the things that allows Ford to deny warranty if they see fit. For the money the Rauch tune is serious bang for the buck. I just purchased a 2019 and I’m waiting for Roush to release the computer flash. I seriously can’t wait. Anybody questioning whether their claims are true I’m here to tell you they absolutely are.