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Old 10-15-2018, 03:49 AM
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You are gonna have fender gap for days with a 29" tall tire, even lowered. Might want to stick closer to 30+ inches overall if you are worried about gap, or lower the truck more then 1/2".
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Yeah I doubt with my 3.55's and Omega tune I will notice. Also weight is dependent on tire manufacturers, not just size. One brands 305/50/20 may not weigh the same as another brands of the same size.
Those weights come from toyo specs so we were talking about the same manufacturer and 32lbs of unsprung weight is going to be noticeable no matter what gear or tune. I'm not knocking your choices for your truck or anything I'm just trying to save weight, gain traction and handling....maybe look good doing it lol.
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You are gonna have fender gap for days with a 29" tall tire, even lowered. Might want to stick closer to 30+ inches overall if you are worried about gap, or lower the truck more then 1/2".

Definitely what I'm worried about. I'm trying to keep warranty by going with the factory lowering kit so I'm stuck with 1/2 drop until that rolls off. I had mentioned those sizes in the toyo's because I wanted the 12.6" contact patch in the rear.... Unbroken mentioned the scorpions, I haven't checked them out yet.
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Stock ride height with the 305/50/20

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Originally Posted by teslafan View Post
Definitely what I'm worried about. I'm trying to keep warranty by going with the factory lowering kit so I'm stuck with 1/2 drop until that rolls off. I had mentioned those sizes in the toyo's because I wanted the 12.6" contact patch in the rear.... Unbroken mentioned the scorpions, I haven't checked them out yet.
Where are you getting the contact patch information? If you are looking at "section width," that is not the contact patch. The only tire reseller that provides accurate tread width information is tirerack.com, everyone else lists section width, which is the overall width of the tire as measured from sidewall to sidewall, and the true contact patch can be significantly narrower than that as tires tend to taper towards the tread. Also, if it makes you feel any better, taller tires also increase the contact patch.
A 29" tire is simply too small, and you are doing yourself more harm then good by looking at that small tire in such an inferior tread compound as offered by the Toyo's. If you really want to use a 29" tire, then at least look at some of the max performance summer tires offered in that size, such as the Michelin PSS or the Continental ExtremeContact. When looking at street tires you want the best compound you can get, as tire size is not a big of a performance variable as tread compound...within reason of course. I'd rather have a 300 tread wear summer tire that was 9" wide as opposed to a 500 tread wear all season tire that was 11" wide. We are also ignoring the load rating of the tires, as most 29" tires are not going to match your OE load rating.

I agree with you about tire weight, and if given the choice the lighter tire is probably the better option. On my 4x4 regular cab, I went with 295/50r20 to match the overall diameter of my stock wheels (31.7), while still keeping the overall weight down. I personally chose General Grabber's as they were light weight, available locally, and offered a 300ish tread wear rating with nice overall width. Even still the wheel gap is impressively large lol, and I even removed the rear leaf blocks to lower the back about 1". Your 4x2 came with 30.5" tires from the factory, so for that I'd suggest 295/45r20, which match the stock size exactly and come in a several good options for trucks. I quick look at TireRack showed the 295/45r20 tires weigh around 38-39lbs and offer TRUE tread widths of 10" to 11". The Toyo's you are looking at in a 315/35r20 size weigh 37lbs and wont offer any substantial increase in actual tread width, all the while being 1.8" smaller in diameter which is going to actually decrease the contact patch. Also I'd suggest a squared tire setup for proper handling and to make tire rotations possible.

Just some food for thought.

Here are pictures of my truck with 295/50r20's. Note my truck is a 4x4, but it has the ride height of a 2wd truck in the rear (no blocks). I also have 650hp on tap, and in 2wd its completely manageable with my current tires.



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Originally Posted by One Slow 5.0 View Post
Stock ride height with the 305/50/20

That's helpful....picture is worth a thousand words. Lol! Not a big gap in the fenderwell. They are heavier and taller than what I was looking at but I like the look. Toyo website says 12.4" overall width inflated, is that actually true or is that a section width they're quoting? I'm not finding a 30.6"ish tire by anyone with as wide a tread on the ground as the toyo's nitto comes closest as far as I can tell. Wish I had a pic of the 315/35/20's to look at...
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Where are you getting the contact patch information? If you are looking at "section width," that is not the contact patch. The only tire reseller that provides accurate tread width information is tirerack.com, everyone else lists section width, which is the overall width of the tire as measured from sidewall to sidewall, and the true contact patch can be significantly narrower than that as tires tend to taper towards the tread. Also, if it makes you feel any better, taller tires also increase the contact patch.
A 29" tire is simply too small, and you are doing yourself more harm then good by looking at that small tire in such an inferior tread compound as offered by the Toyo's. If you really want to use a 29" tire, then at least look at some of the max performance summer tires offered in that size, such as the Michelin PSS or the Continental ExtremeContact. When looking at street tires you want the best compound you can get, as tire size is not a big of a performance variable as tread compound...within reason of course. I'd rather have a 300 tread wear summer tire that was 9" wide as opposed to a 500 tread wear all season tire that was 11" wide. We are also ignoring the load rating of the tires, as most 29" tires are not going to match your OE load rating.

I agree with you about tire weight, and if given the choice the lighter tire is probably the better option. On my 4x4 regular cab, I went with 295/50r20 to match the overall diameter of my stock wheels (31.7), while still keeping the overall weight down. I personally chose General Grabber's as they were light weight, available locally, and offered a 300ish tread wear rating with nice overall width. Even still the wheel gap is impressively large lol, and I even removed the rear leaf blocks to lower the back about 1". Your 4x2 came with 30.5" tires from the factory, so for that I'd suggest 295/45r20, which match the stock size exactly and come in a several good options for trucks. I quick look at TireRack showed the 295/45r20 tires weigh around 38-39lbs and offer TRUE tread widths of 10" to 11". The Toyo's you are looking at in a 315/35r20 size weigh 37lbs and wont offer any substantial increase in actual tread width, all the while being 1.8" smaller in diameter which is going to actually decrease the contact patch. Also I'd suggest a squared tire setup for proper handling and to make tire rotations possible.

Just some food for thought.

Here are pictures of my truck with 295/50r20's. Note my truck is a 4x4, but it has the ride height of a 2wd truck in the rear (no blocks). I also have 650hp on tap, and in 2wd its completely manageable with my current tires.



Helpful post and I appreciate it, definitely food for thought, good looking truck btw...I was misreading the specs the toyo site I guess. They list overall inflated width and don't call it section width which I suppose is what it is...go figure. I get it about different compounds, rotation too....all good thing to ponder. Stickier compounds = more grip/ lower life span...Normal driving, rotation makes total sense and probably what I should do but if I blow tires off the rear I may well come out cheaper with the stagger and weight savings. I'm certainly open to any other options especially if they're better choices. I've had good experience with michelin just wasn't seeing the sizes I wanted, possibly missed it trying to speed read...lol. I'll look harder at the tire rack site. Thanks again
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BadCon how well do those General tires hook in 2wd?
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295/45/20 ST-III's on mine. They work great dry and wet. I can do 60 rolls on 10lbs and they stick.
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Originally Posted by Spooled View Post
295/45/20 ST-III's on mine. They work great dry and wet. I can do 60 rolls on 10lbs and they stick.
305/40/22 Pirelli Scorpion Zero Asmmetrico...20 rolls on 15psi and they stick. lol
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