Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk - Who's up for it!?
01-30-2018, 09:31 PM
#31
I can understand it being generic in the context of NA/turbo cars that average consumers buy. That being said, there’s a distinction here. This is a supercharged iteration of a vehicle not typically offered that way, with a much higher markup cooked in to preserve the warranty after the addition of the blower. The point that you can self-warranty an aftermarket solution at a lower cost is quite relevant to the discussion here. It’s a cool car and I’d happily drive one if it showed up in my driveway. That doesn’t automatically make it the best deal or the highest performing option for every consumer.
01-31-2018, 07:44 PM
#32
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You do realize that is what I'm doing right? I wasn't missing the point, it was just a nebulous post, that doesn't change anything or add value to the discussion when discussing a new purchase.
01-31-2018, 08:00 PM
#33
02-01-2018, 07:48 PM
#34
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I'm self warrantying, not buying.
02-01-2018, 09:51 PM
#35
TOTM Sept. '18
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02-02-2018, 12:29 PM
#36
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Innovator? 
Maybe they spent all their money on engines while holding onto a platform dating back to the early 2000's and the Daimler benz era. That's not somethin to be proud of. Oh, and the fact that the cars are heavy pigs, LOL. I don't know if supercharging is innovating. If it is...well...OK? I think innovating is building a blown V8 compact enough to fit in the engine bay of a corvette. Or developing a series of engines that are swapped into everything from Miatas to BMWs. Or creating a modular V8 that can make over 700hp with a relatively tame blower on totally stock internals. On a pickup truck. What is Dodge's most innovative product right now? Do they even have a hybrid vehicle on the market? Or an electric vehicle?
Let's remember the Ford Lightning, which Dodge 'innovated' by competing with via throwing the Viper V10 into the Ram. Which one is still more prized/sought after to this day? The Ford.
FCA didn't invent the wrangler either, and if they did, we'd all be screwed. Let's not forget the debacle in the 90s when they 'innovated' the wrangler to rectangular headlights. Brilliant! Frankly, that's probably kept them afloat versus a bunch of the abominations they've made over the years.
I've seen your opinions elsewhere here and clearly you're either insane or just silly.
Let's talk about mass producing V10 engines. The first Viper was an adapted truck engine. It was heavy, fuel hungry, and not really all that powerful. Kinda like the truck V10. Ever see a Dodge V10 in camper platforms? I never did. Triton V10s or Chevy big blocks. Hm.
Maybe they spent all their money on engines while holding onto a platform dating back to the early 2000's and the Daimler benz era. That's not somethin to be proud of. Oh, and the fact that the cars are heavy pigs, LOL. I don't know if supercharging is innovating. If it is...well...OK? I think innovating is building a blown V8 compact enough to fit in the engine bay of a corvette. Or developing a series of engines that are swapped into everything from Miatas to BMWs. Or creating a modular V8 that can make over 700hp with a relatively tame blower on totally stock internals. On a pickup truck. What is Dodge's most innovative product right now? Do they even have a hybrid vehicle on the market? Or an electric vehicle?
Let's remember the Ford Lightning, which Dodge 'innovated' by competing with via throwing the Viper V10 into the Ram. Which one is still more prized/sought after to this day? The Ford.
FCA didn't invent the wrangler either, and if they did, we'd all be screwed. Let's not forget the debacle in the 90s when they 'innovated' the wrangler to rectangular headlights. Brilliant! Frankly, that's probably kept them afloat versus a bunch of the abominations they've made over the years.
I've seen your opinions elsewhere here and clearly you're either insane or just silly.
Let's talk about mass producing V10 engines. The first Viper was an adapted truck engine. It was heavy, fuel hungry, and not really all that powerful. Kinda like the truck V10. Ever see a Dodge V10 in camper platforms? I never did. Triton V10s or Chevy big blocks. Hm.
What is Dodge's innovative product? ESS on almost everything they make. BSG on everything from Jeeps to Ram trucks. Coils on the rear of a 1500 for the best control and ride. The best, hands down, infotainment system of any brand. The fastest production car ever made by a U.S. manufacturer and with a warranty. A 4x4 with a blower, the only one in the country. Do you even pay attention to what's going on?
People who have known cars since the 1950s know for a fact that Chrysler traditionally was always the innovator, and in 2018 they remain the only company that builds exactly what people want.
I can guarantee any of the motors coming out of FCA arnt even close to as well designed or as stout as what Ford produces on a daily basis. Just because Ford stays conservative with the numbers doesnt mean they arnt better at the game. Great, they released an $87000 SUV that 10 people will buy.
C'mon guys.. I'm a Ford guy but some of y'all need to snap back to reality.
02-02-2018, 07:25 PM
#37
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Hey, get those facts outta here. Kool-Aide only son!
02-07-2018, 11:30 AM
#38
Ram 3500 with Cummins HO diesel, and where it came from is The Fast Lane Truck who put all three 2017 trucks on the dyno and the Ram out-torqued them all.
You're kidding, right? "Heavy pigs"? Those heavy pigs are only 250 lbs. more than a Mustang, and for that weight penalty you get 5 USABLE seats and a huge trunk and a far better touring ride if you DD it.
What is Dodge's innovative product? ESS on almost everything they make. BSG on everything from Jeeps to Ram trucks. Coils on the rear of a 1500 for the best control and ride. The best, hands down, infotainment system of any brand. The fastest production car ever made by a U.S. manufacturer and with a warranty. A 4x4 with a blower, the only one in the country. Do you even pay attention to what's going on?
People who have known cars since the 1950s know for a fact that Chrysler traditionally was always the innovator, and in 2018 they remain the only company that builds exactly what people want.
Seriously? I guess you haven't heard of the 5.4L Triton debacle? The 5.0L Coyotes that tick and knock? The EcoBoost engines that were so bad they got totally scrapped and started over from scratch?
C'mon guys.. I'm a Ford guy but some of y'all need to snap back to reality.
You're kidding, right? "Heavy pigs"? Those heavy pigs are only 250 lbs. more than a Mustang, and for that weight penalty you get 5 USABLE seats and a huge trunk and a far better touring ride if you DD it.
What is Dodge's innovative product? ESS on almost everything they make. BSG on everything from Jeeps to Ram trucks. Coils on the rear of a 1500 for the best control and ride. The best, hands down, infotainment system of any brand. The fastest production car ever made by a U.S. manufacturer and with a warranty. A 4x4 with a blower, the only one in the country. Do you even pay attention to what's going on?
People who have known cars since the 1950s know for a fact that Chrysler traditionally was always the innovator, and in 2018 they remain the only company that builds exactly what people want.
Seriously? I guess you haven't heard of the 5.4L Triton debacle? The 5.0L Coyotes that tick and knock? The EcoBoost engines that were so bad they got totally scrapped and started over from scratch?
C'mon guys.. I'm a Ford guy but some of y'all need to snap back to reality.
I own a 2018 Challenger with the highest tier UConnect system. Whoever decided it would be a good idea to spam the driver with irrelevant weather warnings (gasp... it’s cold and windy 50 miles away!!!) that require us to take a hand off the wheel and eyes off the road to suppress them deserves a swift kick in the nuts. While FCA was so busy “innovating” they neglected to add an option to turn those obnoxious warnings off. You cannot disable them. Is the system as a whole a quality solution? Kind of. It’s aesthetically pleasing and the ability to customize your button layout at the bottom of the screen is nice. Bluetooth functionality can be sluggish and the default screens need work. When you’re using nav, the screen should stay on nav during and after completing a handsfree call. When you press the nav button, it should default to the map. Aside from the awful weather alerts there aren’t any major issues I’ve noticed. It’s still nowhere near a performance level worthy of a “best in class” title.
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02-09-2018, 03:42 PM
#39
No fart cans allowed
You're wasting your breath thinking that any of the mindless Ford fanbois are going to listen to reality or even give a smidgen of kudos to any other manufacturer.
02-09-2018, 05:35 PM
#40
Senile member
This F150 is the first Ford I've ever owned. It's the first domestic car I've owned in the better part of 20 years. I likely would have been looking at the Titan XD or Tundra if either of them really held a candle to the F150 in terms of value and performance combination. Plus the incentives on F150s are never matched by foreign automakers. Tundra mpg is horrendous as is the titan v8. The XD was under consideration due to the cummins diesel, but the pricing was ridiculous. And unless you get a higher level trim package, they stanced the wheels all wrong and it looks goofy.
