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Old 02-10-2019, 05:19 PM
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I guess where my head is, a whipple stage 2 kit on sale is $7400 and installation is free at the house. That’s a long way from $11-12k.
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2.65 TVs is awesome.

most like the whipple because itís cheap and offers a proven tune.

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My biggest problem is I live up here in the Ohio River Valley and there is no shops and this truck is a daily driver and I intend on keeping it that way. The Hellion Kit is very tempting but I think it would be a headache to get the tune right. The VMP is awesome but I would like to see dyno graphs overlayed on 93 octane and E-85. I will be checking with Lebanon ford near Cincinnati, Ohio which is still 125 miles away to see what they can do for me concerning the Whipple and other options.
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Originally Posted by LiftenW8ts View Post
My biggest problem is I live up here in the Ohio River Valley and there is no shops and this truck is a daily driver and I intend on keeping it that way. The Hellion Kit is very tempting but I think it would be a headache to get the tune right. The VMP is awesome but I would like to see dyno graphs overlayed on 93 octane and E-85. I will be checking with Lebanon ford near Cincinnati, Ohio which is still 125 miles away to see what they can do for me concerning the Whipple and other options.
If your looking for hassle free, skip vmp tuning and think very hard about all of the parts to the turbo kit.

If the vmp kit was as Oem quality like the whipple kit I would say it would be a toss up, but I havenít heard that about the vmp.

If Edelbrock sold there TVs 2.65 for the 2018 trucks I would say that would be a great option but they donít .


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I know our trucks are not direct port injection, but we have a lower compression. Maybe they will make a kit for the 2015-17 Ford -F-150 sometime this year. I still worry about the reliability of a twin turbo setup and also the tuning issues that would be associated.
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There is no way I would put turbos on a daily driver. I don’t think the reliability will be there.
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That's 100% on the turbos you put on the vehicle and the quality of your oil return installation. Reliability of turbos is the turbo you choose and the install of the components that keep it alive.

Outside that, a twin turbo setup on low boost will never push the turbo speeds to anything that would cause them to fail prematurely so if you have a good setup it will definitely be reliable.

What won't be reliable is probably the transmission.
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My experience is that the turbos themselves won’t be the problem and neither would be the engine (assuming proper engine management). For any given power level, turbos will actually put less strain on the engine than superchargers. My experience is constant trouble with everything else in the system, such as exhaust gasket leaks (manifold pressures of 30-60 psi), cracked headers, melted hoses/wires/etc from the extra underhood heat, loss of control of boost due to wastegate or controller problems, difficulty tuning, etc...
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My experience with turbo kits and even custom fabbed stuff is the welded parts never last. Tig welds on stainless are sexy looking but heat cycles combined with the weight of the chargers if they aren’t supported well is a recipe for failure. The related heat issues are a whole other can of worms. My last twin turbo diesel truck I had blankets on the chargers and 5” downpipe all the way past the transmission and still found ways to melt stuff. lol
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Originally Posted by engineermike View Post
My experience is that the turbos themselves wonít be the problem and neither would be the engine (assuming proper engine management). For any given power level, turbos will actually put less strain on the engine than superchargers. My experience is constant trouble with everything else in the system, such as exhaust gasket leaks (manifold pressures of 30-60 psi), cracked headers, melted hoses/wires/etc from the extra underhood heat, loss of control of boost due to wastegate or controller problems, difficulty tuning, etc...
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My experience with turbo kits and even custom fabbed stuff is the welded parts never last. Tig welds on stainless are sexy looking but heat cycles combined with the weight of the chargers if they arenít supported well is a recipe for failure. The related heat issues are a whole other can of worms. My last twin turbo diesel truck I had blankets on the chargers and 5Ē downpipe all the way past the transmission and still found ways to melt stuff. lol
I agree with these two here on this. The turbo setup will be much more costly and much more of a headache.
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