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*91f150* 12-14-2011 03:51 PM

Whats your take on this. Head Gasket
 
So I recently purchased a 91 F150 XLT and am having some issues.
The major being coolant or moisture in the oil.
Ive had 2 cars in the past with blown head gaskets and it was nothing like this.
There doesnt seem to be any noticable coolant loss. Doesnt smoke white from under the hood or the exhaust, though the exhaust does smell rich. Doesnt even run rough aside from it needing a tune up.
The only thing Im seeing is a little white foam on the end of the dipstick and a little under the cap and breather hose.
Now at some point in time some one put a short nubby hose where the valve cover breaths to a longer plastice hose that runs to the drivers side to another rubber hose that vents against the fire wall. When I pulled this nubby hose off today water ran out, definetly not coolant, no smell and it was clear.
Any ides

*91f150* 12-14-2011 04:00 PM

This just occured to me, could it be a blocked pvc valve.....if so where is it on this truck

*91f150* 12-15-2011 03:43 PM

anybody?

Good old Bill 12-17-2011 09:10 AM

Trying to determine what engine you have, a 300 six or a 302. In any case, I am tending to agree with you about the head gaskets being the cause. Definately don't like the hose set up. Give us the engine and then the correct info will be available. I will say, its kinda normal for a little white stuff in and around the oil fill cap.

*91f150* 12-17-2011 05:27 PM

302

*91f150* 12-17-2011 05:39 PM

i need to change the pcv valve hopefully tonight, bc if its plugged up solid I believe this could b the cause. Also going to change the thermostat, seems to be overcooling. The gauge never goes past a quarter, when it should be around half.
Like I said no white smoke, doesnt run rough, no coolant loss. took it mr lube for an undercoating and the guy there said the same thing
As for the hose thinf, there is no place on the air box to plug another hose, I dunno, just gonna replace it with one of those little mini valve cover breathers

papa tiger 12-17-2011 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by *91f150* (Post 1273078)
i need to change the pcv valve hopefully tonight, bc if its plugged up solid I believe this could b the cause. Also going to change the thermostat, seems to be overcooling. The gauge never goes past a quarter, when it should be around half.
Like I said no white smoke, doesnt run rough, no coolant loss. took it mr lube for an undercoating and the guy there said the same thing
As for the hose thinf, there is no place on the air box to plug another hose, I dunno, just gonna replace it with one of those little mini valve cover breathers


:party: I don't know where you are from your discription if you are in CAnada you may have a heated PCV and need to replace it and hook it up to remove moisture from the top side of your motor. It will condense and freeze up due to extreme conditions of heat cold heat cold not really getting the heck warmed up good all the time. Much the same used to happen to carbs and intake manifolds and heat riser tubes. :thumbsup::scooter::wheelchair::bangin::hammer::ta nk:

*91f150* 12-17-2011 06:46 PM

in moncton nb canada, already picked up the part looks like a regular pcv valve

papa tiger 12-17-2011 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by *91f150* (Post 1273255)
in moncton nb canada, already picked up the part looks like a regular pcv valve


:party:Isopropyl gas line antifreeze and a taped up pepsi carton in front of 1/2 the radiator can do wonders around town. I've used Red Greens favorite duct tape to sturdy it up sum. LOL:wheelchair::wheelchair::drink::scooter::wallba sh::hammer:

*91f150* 12-18-2011 01:07 AM

The weather has been really nice, above freezing by a few degrees most days. No snow for christmas this year, thank you very much

papa tiger 12-18-2011 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by *91f150* (Post 1274233)
The weather has been really nice, above freezing by a few degrees most days. No snow for christmas this year, thank you very much


:party:A stuck open or cooler 150 F. thermostat would cause the dampness in cool conditions. The hotter ford thermostat would warm it, and the wind dampner if very cold would help with warm up speeds. Toasted ! :wheelchair::wheelchair::scooter::bangin::hammer:: wallbash:

*91f150* 12-18-2011 09:32 PM

c hanged the pcv valve today......looks like it had never been changed. pretty gummed up. have yet to drive it since changing it though it seems to idle better.

I've heard the thermostat is a pain to change. Bought the oem one. Any truth in this or suggestions.

*91f150* 12-21-2011 05:15 AM

engine now seems to be missing while idling......also the the valve cover to airbox hose keeps getting gummed up. Sick of wondering and worrying about this. What do I need to do to set my mind at ease I want to know for sure. Will a compression test give me a solid answer?
Will this work?
http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en

Tote-M-Pole 12-21-2011 02:17 PM

A compression test will give some valuable info. However, it may or may not tell you where to look. I do not believe the head gaskets are an issue. As far as the thermostat goes, I believe that the OE thermostat is a 192 degree F thermostat. If you have anything less than 192 it could contribute to the white foam you have seen.

With that said, the last 302 I had was in a 87 Grand Marquis. It had the white foam issue on the dipstick and cap you describe. What I found is that underneath the PCV valve is a filter of sorts. It is a cavity that Ford pushed a long length of wire into, it curled up on itself very tightly and acted as a filter. Unfortunately all it would do is collect oil/vapor residue and stop the PCV from pulling vapors out of the crankcase. There by stopping flow through the PCV. I learned this the hard way when crankcase pressure blew out lower intake manifold gasket and I could not stop the subsequent oil leak from the rear of the intake manifold to block interface. When I removed the intake manifold I found this crappy design.

Hope this gives you something to think about.
Merry Christmas

papa tiger 12-21-2011 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by *91f150* (Post 1283022)
engine now seems to be missing while idling......also the the valve cover to airbox hose keeps getting gummed up. Sick of wondering and worrying about this. What do I need to do to set my mind at ease I want to know for sure. Will a compression test give me a solid answer?
Will this work?
http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en


:party: A hot compression test of all cylinders, than let the engine cool down to room temp, then a cold compression test, compare them. Cool test should be slightly lower but all cylinders should be comparable. If not you have an indication of the mechanical condition of your rings and valves. If your gasket is blown between cyls lower compression of them, but a water leak from the gasket may only be noticed with rust on the spark plug or in the cyl itself with a bore scope. Cracks are another story and pulling down and testing them is the way to go. Recharging the battery may be necessary to do all the testing to get good cranking rpm's and accurate records kept of cyl psi comparisons. Very low compression would indicate a major problem in cyls affected and cause poor power. Expensive to fix. :thumbsup::wallbash::wheelchair::scooter::drink::b angin:

*91f150* 12-21-2011 03:41 PM

wow thanks for all the great information guys, you really know you sh*t. As far as that filer you spoke of tote, is it replaceable, cleanable? if not, when I seafoam the engine like I want to, it couldnt hurt to add a little through the pcv hole, could it?
Anybody know if seafoam is hard on older engines?

papa tiger 12-22-2011 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by *91f150* (Post 1284072)
wow thanks for all the great information guys, you really know you sh*t. As far as that filer you spoke of tote, is it replaceable, cleanable? if not, when I seafoam the engine like I want to, it couldnt hurt to add a little through the pcv hole, could it?
Anybody know if seafoam is hard on older engines?


:party: Use care, wear gloves, think it is mostly white oil/ kerosene? Some swear by it. Lots of white smoke for a while. Used unwisely it can be not so wise a day. Take your time and be cautious. I prefer to add to gas tank and drive a good day trip into the distance to heat it up good. I love to long trip so carbon hasn't ever been a big deal for me. The stop and go never really getten it on, without any hard day trippen is really a tough one on the old mill. :whistling2::thumbsup:

Tote-M-Pole 12-22-2011 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by *91f150* (Post 1284072)
wow thanks for all the great information guys, you really know you sh*t. As far as that filer you spoke of tote, is it replaceable, cleanable? if not, when I seafoam the engine like I want to, it couldnt hurt to add a little through the pcv hole, could it?
Anybody know if seafoam is hard on older engines?

91,

You can easily remove this filter. Hopefully Ford has a better design by now. At the time I tried to clean it. It was a waste of time, I bought a new one.

As far as seafoam goes, I have never used it so I will not comment.

*91f150* 12-22-2011 04:25 PM

how do i clean it, the pcv valve is buried on the valve cover against the firewall:eek:

Tote-M-Pole 12-23-2011 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by *91f150* (Post 1286906)
how do i clean it, the pcv valve is buried on the valve cover against the firewall:eek:

In my 87 302 the PCV valve was in the lower intake manifold at the back right next to the firewall. The filter thing was just below it. If your PCV valve is in the valve cover I doubt that you have one.

Tote-M-Pole 12-23-2011 08:49 AM

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