Would you buy high mileage if still very new?
01-31-2017, 03:15 AM
#11
Floydian
Thread Starter
lol, so only the nicer trims can pretend they have a V8? I'd really rather it made the natural sound it makes, be it V6 sound or just quiet. The one I drove had a mild flowmaster exhaust on it, normally I'd hate such a thing but it sounded kinda cool I must admit.
01-31-2017, 06:08 AM
#14
Personally I would stay away. Too many unknowns.
Not for a "new" vehicle if it has more than 42k.
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If you find any that you want, go to https://www.floodfordesp.com and see what a Ford ESP would cost you for the vehicle. Way cheaper than buying at the dealer.
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Reapster (01-31-2017)
01-31-2017, 08:57 AM
#15
Ford Truck Lover
So I've seen a few '15-'16s that seemed nicely equipped but some had high miles for a '15-'16. I looked at a '15 SCrew XLT 2.7 EB w/ 4WD and ELD as well as the package that includes heated seats, backup camera, the SYNC navigation system, remote start, etc. The bad: it had 49k miles on it. I looked all over the truck, it was in good shape body wise - however, the engine was dusty and I saw bits of mud in the wheel wells. It's been at this particular dealer for almost 3 months and I had wondered if it was the miles or what since here in Northern KY trucks seem to go fast, but on top of that - it had louder exhaust, I think they disabled the auto start/stop (It never shut off on a 20 minute test drive, but I kept seeing that A with a slash through it on the driver info center - but the button light was not lit), and I'm pretty sure they disabled the fake engine noise. It was only a one owner so the previous owner did all the stuff to it. The exhaust was mild, and it drove perfect, shifted great, all the stuff worked as it should.
I feel the natural response would be "run away", but I liked so much about this truck. Had some nice knobby tires on it that looked almost brand new and they weren't even that noisy on the road. It felt really quick, but I have only driven one other 2.7 EB and it was long ago. It did have a reese hitch on it and the trailer brake, so I suspect they towed with it - how much or how often, no idea. Somehow I wonder if it wasn't frequently covered with mud out off-roading. Not inherently stuff that is bad, but always gotta wonder how much care they took when driving it. Dealer started out wanting $32k 3 months ago but because they've had it so long they're down to just over $28k and I got the feeling they had little left to flex on the price but might be able to beat them up for a few hundred. Its only flaw is just that the PO could have ragged on it - but would you be able to tell this from a test drive or would it be more likely to show up later on?
Alternative option is to pay several grand more for a similar one (not an option in my case, I'm at my price range limit), or to go with a more stripped down one (I doubt I'd be happy without the backup camera, heated seats, or that info screen in the gauges - and I want either ELD or 4WD, but both is perfect). lol, the dealer tried to sell me on a new '16 SCrew XLT for $38k after rebates and discounts (MSRP $46k) but there's just no way. I won't raise my budget any higher than $30k, as to be honest I just "want" a truck and the need ain't quite there yet - but will be soon.
Thoughts? Both regarding this specific truck and higher mileage trucks that are still very new? I've seen quite a few nice deals on trucks but their bad is that they were former rentals. They typically have 25k miles or less on them but somehow I imagine they get abused a lot and who knows what the hundreds of drivers did to them since it wasn't theirs. But do trucks hold up to that abuse well enough that it just wouldn't matter? Most people don't just rent a truck to take a trip, it would be to haul something - probably because they don't own a truck.
I feel the natural response would be "run away", but I liked so much about this truck. Had some nice knobby tires on it that looked almost brand new and they weren't even that noisy on the road. It felt really quick, but I have only driven one other 2.7 EB and it was long ago. It did have a reese hitch on it and the trailer brake, so I suspect they towed with it - how much or how often, no idea. Somehow I wonder if it wasn't frequently covered with mud out off-roading. Not inherently stuff that is bad, but always gotta wonder how much care they took when driving it. Dealer started out wanting $32k 3 months ago but because they've had it so long they're down to just over $28k and I got the feeling they had little left to flex on the price but might be able to beat them up for a few hundred. Its only flaw is just that the PO could have ragged on it - but would you be able to tell this from a test drive or would it be more likely to show up later on?
Alternative option is to pay several grand more for a similar one (not an option in my case, I'm at my price range limit), or to go with a more stripped down one (I doubt I'd be happy without the backup camera, heated seats, or that info screen in the gauges - and I want either ELD or 4WD, but both is perfect). lol, the dealer tried to sell me on a new '16 SCrew XLT for $38k after rebates and discounts (MSRP $46k) but there's just no way. I won't raise my budget any higher than $30k, as to be honest I just "want" a truck and the need ain't quite there yet - but will be soon.
Thoughts? Both regarding this specific truck and higher mileage trucks that are still very new? I've seen quite a few nice deals on trucks but their bad is that they were former rentals. They typically have 25k miles or less on them but somehow I imagine they get abused a lot and who knows what the hundreds of drivers did to them since it wasn't theirs. But do trucks hold up to that abuse well enough that it just wouldn't matter? Most people don't just rent a truck to take a trip, it would be to haul something - probably because they don't own a truck.
Would I rather have a 2015 with 200K miles over a 2005 with 200K miles? Probably. But the 2015 will still have 200K miles of wear on it. While some other things are less likely to go (alternator, etc other things that have a time limit on life) it will still need the maintenance of the 2005. And an argument for the 2005, more than likely maintenance wasn't skipped as it was spread out over time. a 3 yearold truck with 200k miles probably didn't have all of the mileage interval maintenance done because of the compressed time of racking up the miles.
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whirledpeaz (01-31-2017)
01-31-2017, 09:06 AM
#17
Ford Truck Lover
No. Miles, whether they are put on quickly, or slowly, are still miles.
Would I rather have a 2015 with 200K miles over a 2005 with 200K miles? Probably. But the 2015 will still have 200K miles of wear on it. While some other things are less likely to go (alternator, etc other things that have a time limit on life) it will still need the maintenance of the 2005. And an argument for the 2005, more than likely maintenance wasn't skipped as it was spread out over time. a 3 yearold truck with 200k miles probably didn't have all of the mileage interval maintenance done because of the compressed time of racking up the miles.
Would I rather have a 2015 with 200K miles over a 2005 with 200K miles? Probably. But the 2015 will still have 200K miles of wear on it. While some other things are less likely to go (alternator, etc other things that have a time limit on life) it will still need the maintenance of the 2005. And an argument for the 2005, more than likely maintenance wasn't skipped as it was spread out over time. a 3 yearold truck with 200k miles probably didn't have all of the mileage interval maintenance done because of the compressed time of racking up the miles.
49k is high but not excessive. I would have no problem purchasing this truck. Still a lot of life left, as long as the price reflects the extra mileage.
Mud in the wheel wells doesn't mean a lot. I live on a dirt road. My truck has done very light towing (no brake), has 4300 miles on it, but due to my road there are probably bits of mud under it. So that doesn't mean much.
Also, the 49k miles due to towing makes sense. To me that means probably some long road trips towing that added to the total. To me this is better than buying a high mileage grocery getter with a ton of short trips. (Short trips are harder on the starter, alternator, braking system, etc.)
Pull a carfax, but if the truck drives fine I think you've found a nice truck for a good price.
01-31-2017, 09:14 AM
#18
It depends on what you consider high mileage. Generally, high mileage doesn't hurt a vehicle that has been well maintained. Cosmetic appearance (NEW LOOKING) can be deceiving sometimes. Again, if a truck looks like it has been well taken care of cosmetically it will have in a lot of cases also been well maintained. Of course unless someone has just doctored it up to make it appear like it's in good condition. If I were to consider a high mileage truck I would have it inspected by an experience Ford tech.
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01-31-2017, 09:49 AM
#19
Floydian
Thread Starter
I have found a couple of '16 SCrews that are nearly the same as the silver '15 SCrew I looked at except they lack 4WD. I know that's inherently more resale, but then the higher mileage hurts resale (But I drive low miles per year, FWIW). These ones I found that were RWD with ELD had around 4,700 miles on one and 8,900 on the other. To that end, how much worse will the resale value hold up on a RWD with ELD vs. 4WD?
Really trying to weigh $28k vs. paying $32-33k for one with lower miles, possibly more options. I've found a couple FX4's nicely equipped, more around that price range but most had the 3.5 EB. Am I correct in thinking the 2.7 EB is quicker but can tow less, whereas the 3.5 EB has the better towing capacity? I was torn between 2.7 EB and 5.0, but aside from personal opinions it seems the 2.7 EB is well liked which was my big concern on how popular it would be (Sort of like how I'd hate to pick the base 3.5, which would most certainly be the least popular engine relative to the others). I'm thinking the 2.7 is the way to go since I don't have any heavy loads I plan to tow.
EDIT: So here's something I noticed on the Carfax on that '15 SCrew 2.7 EB, they took it in with just under 45k miles and it now has 49k miles on it. So in a period of roughly 3 months the dealer has put that kind of mileage on it. It actually has good service history otherwise. Why on earth would a dealer put so many miles on a vehicle they're trying to sell? That seem concerning to anyone else or normal?
EDIT 2: Funny enough the dealer called me about the truck again, I mentioned it and they said it's possible it was used as a demo vehicle for awhile where one of the managers drove it a bit. It looks like they did some basic maintenance on it while they've had it (oil change, fluid checks, etc.)
Really trying to weigh $28k vs. paying $32-33k for one with lower miles, possibly more options. I've found a couple FX4's nicely equipped, more around that price range but most had the 3.5 EB. Am I correct in thinking the 2.7 EB is quicker but can tow less, whereas the 3.5 EB has the better towing capacity? I was torn between 2.7 EB and 5.0, but aside from personal opinions it seems the 2.7 EB is well liked which was my big concern on how popular it would be (Sort of like how I'd hate to pick the base 3.5, which would most certainly be the least popular engine relative to the others). I'm thinking the 2.7 is the way to go since I don't have any heavy loads I plan to tow.
EDIT: So here's something I noticed on the Carfax on that '15 SCrew 2.7 EB, they took it in with just under 45k miles and it now has 49k miles on it. So in a period of roughly 3 months the dealer has put that kind of mileage on it. It actually has good service history otherwise. Why on earth would a dealer put so many miles on a vehicle they're trying to sell? That seem concerning to anyone else or normal?
EDIT 2: Funny enough the dealer called me about the truck again, I mentioned it and they said it's possible it was used as a demo vehicle for awhile where one of the managers drove it a bit. It looks like they did some basic maintenance on it while they've had it (oil change, fluid checks, etc.)
Last edited by Reapster; 01-31-2017 at 10:14 AM.
02-01-2017, 12:11 PM
#20
So I've seen a few '15-'16s that seemed nicely equipped but some had high miles for a '15-'16. I looked at a '15 SCrew XLT 2.7 EB w/ 4WD and ELD as well as the package that includes heated seats, backup camera, the SYNC navigation system, remote start, etc. The bad: it had 49k miles on it. I looked all over the truck, it was in good shape body wise - however, the engine was dusty and I saw bits of mud in the wheel wells. It's been at this particular dealer for almost 3 months and I had wondered if it was the miles or what since here in Northern KY trucks seem to go fast, but on top of that - it had louder exhaust, I think they disabled the auto start/stop (It never shut off on a 20 minute test drive, but I kept seeing that A with a slash through it on the driver info center - but the button light was not lit), and I'm pretty sure they disabled the fake engine noise. It was only a one owner so the previous owner did all the stuff to it. The exhaust was mild, and it drove perfect, shifted great, all the stuff worked as it should.
I feel the natural response would be "run away", but I liked so much about this truck. Had some nice knobby tires on it that looked almost brand new and they weren't even that noisy on the road. It felt really quick, but I have only driven one other 2.7 EB and it was long ago. It did have a reese hitch on it and the trailer brake, so I suspect they towed with it - how much or how often, no idea. Somehow I wonder if it wasn't frequently covered with mud out off-roading. Not inherently stuff that is bad, but always gotta wonder how much care they took when driving it. Dealer started out wanting $32k 3 months ago but because they've had it so long they're down to just over $28k and I got the feeling they had little left to flex on the price but might be able to beat them up for a few hundred. Its only flaw is just that the PO could have ragged on it - but would you be able to tell this from a test drive or would it be more likely to show up later on?
Alternative option is to pay several grand more for a similar one (not an option in my case, I'm at my price range limit), or to go with a more stripped down one (I doubt I'd be happy without the backup camera, heated seats, or that info screen in the gauges - and I want either ELD or 4WD, but both is perfect). lol, the dealer tried to sell me on a new '16 SCrew XLT for $38k after rebates and discounts (MSRP $46k) but there's just no way. I won't raise my budget any higher than $30k, as to be honest I just "want" a truck and the need ain't quite there yet - but will be soon.
Thoughts? Both regarding this specific truck and higher mileage trucks that are still very new? I've seen quite a few nice deals on trucks but their bad is that they were former rentals. They typically have 25k miles or less on them but somehow I imagine they get abused a lot and who knows what the hundreds of drivers did to them since it wasn't theirs. But do trucks hold up to that abuse well enough that it just wouldn't matter? Most people don't just rent a truck to take a trip, it would be to haul something - probably because they don't own a truck.
I feel the natural response would be "run away", but I liked so much about this truck. Had some nice knobby tires on it that looked almost brand new and they weren't even that noisy on the road. It felt really quick, but I have only driven one other 2.7 EB and it was long ago. It did have a reese hitch on it and the trailer brake, so I suspect they towed with it - how much or how often, no idea. Somehow I wonder if it wasn't frequently covered with mud out off-roading. Not inherently stuff that is bad, but always gotta wonder how much care they took when driving it. Dealer started out wanting $32k 3 months ago but because they've had it so long they're down to just over $28k and I got the feeling they had little left to flex on the price but might be able to beat them up for a few hundred. Its only flaw is just that the PO could have ragged on it - but would you be able to tell this from a test drive or would it be more likely to show up later on?
Alternative option is to pay several grand more for a similar one (not an option in my case, I'm at my price range limit), or to go with a more stripped down one (I doubt I'd be happy without the backup camera, heated seats, or that info screen in the gauges - and I want either ELD or 4WD, but both is perfect). lol, the dealer tried to sell me on a new '16 SCrew XLT for $38k after rebates and discounts (MSRP $46k) but there's just no way. I won't raise my budget any higher than $30k, as to be honest I just "want" a truck and the need ain't quite there yet - but will be soon.
Thoughts? Both regarding this specific truck and higher mileage trucks that are still very new? I've seen quite a few nice deals on trucks but their bad is that they were former rentals. They typically have 25k miles or less on them but somehow I imagine they get abused a lot and who knows what the hundreds of drivers did to them since it wasn't theirs. But do trucks hold up to that abuse well enough that it just wouldn't matter? Most people don't just rent a truck to take a trip, it would be to haul something - probably because they don't own a truck.
For a 1-2 year old 2.7EB, 4WD truck with an aftermarket hitch and with those many miles, i`d be very careful of said purchase.
If it was a V8 and 2WD and the stock hitch, i`d feel more comfortable but still cautious.
I bet if you really look around, you could find a new or practically new 2016 for a little bit more money and have more peace of mind.
All of those aftermarket parts on the vehicle you mentioned mean absolutely nothing when it comes to the actual value of the truck.
You should look up the same truck on KBB or even CarMax to see if the price is fair and do not include any of the extra aftermarket parts when doing the search.
Good luck to you and have a nice day.
