Why does Ford Charge More for Red & White Paint?
05-12-2015, 07:10 AM
#42
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The tri-coat paints require more labor time due to being three stage paints. They are more difficult to match as well so if you are painting a particular panel on a vehicle, a shop will normally have to "blend" more adjacent panels to get a closer match.
Some body shops do a better job with paint than the factory itself, much less orange peel. Also, paints on steel panels never match those on plastic right out of the factory. If you look carefully, you will see it on every new car out there.
Back to the OP question, I believe someone may have already answered the question but the reason is that there is an extra stage in the paint process. Instead of primer-base coat-clearcoat which is the norm, I believe a second base coat is applied to get the pearly look. That cost more in time and labor so the cost is passed onto the buyer.
Some body shops do a better job with paint than the factory itself, much less orange peel. Also, paints on steel panels never match those on plastic right out of the factory. If you look carefully, you will see it on every new car out there.
Back to the OP question, I believe someone may have already answered the question but the reason is that there is an extra stage in the paint process. Instead of primer-base coat-clearcoat which is the norm, I believe a second base coat is applied to get the pearly look. That cost more in time and labor so the cost is passed onto the buyer.
What the average person doesn't know is the same color at the same manufacturer, lets say True Blue at Ford, can be several shades off from one plant to another which is why the paint companies have variances for most colors.
Assuming the painter knows which variance to pick and assuming the paint company even has the right variance color, other environmental factors change the shade of color such as paint gun air pressure, humidity, gun distance, urethane reducer temp, gun speed, etc.
These red and white tri-coats at Ford aren't anything special to spray regardless of PPG, BASF and whatever Dupont calls themselves this week and tri-coats have been around for what seems like forever.
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05-12-2015, 05:24 PM
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Good To Know
To MBullock's response...
good to know that someone was able to clarify this misconception that this painter in ref to using silver paint for the process. I am glad I didn't take his offer of 900$ and decided that if Ruby Red is to be used to match the truck what best place to go then the dealership that I purchase the vehicle from; that way if it doesn't match they can redo it at no cost to me (hopefully, crossing fingers).
Also I knew there was a tri coat but did not know that there was a Metallic Ground Coat and then a Tinted Mid Coat followed by Clear coat. I thought it was a base primer, then mid coat RR and that the number of coats determined the final shine/brightness of color followed by clear coat for protection.
Guess this is what the forums are for, educational...learn something new and start point for Q&A.
good to know that someone was able to clarify this misconception that this painter in ref to using silver paint for the process. I am glad I didn't take his offer of 900$ and decided that if Ruby Red is to be used to match the truck what best place to go then the dealership that I purchase the vehicle from; that way if it doesn't match they can redo it at no cost to me (hopefully, crossing fingers).
Also I knew there was a tri coat but did not know that there was a Metallic Ground Coat and then a Tinted Mid Coat followed by Clear coat. I thought it was a base primer, then mid coat RR and that the number of coats determined the final shine/brightness of color followed by clear coat for protection.
Guess this is what the forums are for, educational...learn something new and start point for Q&A.
05-12-2015, 05:50 PM
#45
Why does Ford Charge More for Red & White Paint?
To MBullock's response...
good to know that someone was able to clarify this misconception that this painter in ref to using silver paint for the process. I am glad I didn't take his offer of 900$ and decided that if Ruby Red is to be used to match the truck what best place to go then the dealership that I purchase the vehicle from; that way if it doesn't match they can redo it at no cost to me (hopefully, crossing fingers).
Also I knew there was a tri coat but did not know that there was a Metallic Ground Coat and then a Tinted Mid Coat followed by Clear coat. I thought it was a base primer, then mid coat RR and that the number of coats determined the final shine/brightness of color followed by clear coat for protection.
Guess this is what the forums are for, educational...learn something new and start point for Q&A.
good to know that someone was able to clarify this misconception that this painter in ref to using silver paint for the process. I am glad I didn't take his offer of 900$ and decided that if Ruby Red is to be used to match the truck what best place to go then the dealership that I purchase the vehicle from; that way if it doesn't match they can redo it at no cost to me (hopefully, crossing fingers).
Also I knew there was a tri coat but did not know that there was a Metallic Ground Coat and then a Tinted Mid Coat followed by Clear coat. I thought it was a base primer, then mid coat RR and that the number of coats determined the final shine/brightness of color followed by clear coat for protection.
Guess this is what the forums are for, educational...learn something new and start point for Q&A.
When I used spies hecker, and Standox, they had a 2 stage version that the other painters I worked with loved using because it was easy. I never used it, because it didn't match good enough for me.
05-24-2015, 10:10 AM
#47
Tri coat takes longer to paint and more materials. Regular red & white do not cost more.
05-25-2015, 08:05 AM
#48
Given the fact the professionals amongst us have chimed in with the true answer/s to why some paints cost more.
I'll steal into the thread here with a : "Have you seen the new Mazda red"?
I pulled up to a stoplight the other day and beside us was a stunning new Mazda with a very impressive paint-it appeared to be a "candy type" red paint and obviously one of the new tri-coats but like none other I've seen on a new car!
I'll steal into the thread here with a : "Have you seen the new Mazda red"?
I pulled up to a stoplight the other day and beside us was a stunning new Mazda with a very impressive paint-it appeared to be a "candy type" red paint and obviously one of the new tri-coats but like none other I've seen on a new car!
07-12-2016, 08:39 PM
#49
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Very interesting Information.
I believe Ford, and others , use Robots to paint their Cars & Trucks.
They take no Vacation or Sick Days.
I like hearing from the Professional Painters. It's a real Art to get the paint to Blend. Red or White.
Question is,
Does any one know if the Red or White Metallic has any metal in it?
Like the Metal Flake of the Sixty's?
I believe Ford, and others , use Robots to paint their Cars & Trucks.
They take no Vacation or Sick Days.
I like hearing from the Professional Painters. It's a real Art to get the paint to Blend. Red or White.
Question is,
Does any one know if the Red or White Metallic has any metal in it?
Like the Metal Flake of the Sixty's?
07-12-2016, 09:51 PM
#50
Very interesting Information.
I believe Ford, and others , use Robots to paint their Cars & Trucks.
They take no Vacation or Sick Days.
I like hearing from the Professional Painters. It's a real Art to get the paint to Blend. Red or White.
Question is,
Does any one know if the Red or White Metallic has any metal in it?
Like the Metal Flake of the Sixty's?
I believe Ford, and others , use Robots to paint their Cars & Trucks.
They take no Vacation or Sick Days.
I like hearing from the Professional Painters. It's a real Art to get the paint to Blend. Red or White.
Question is,
Does any one know if the Red or White Metallic has any metal in it?
Like the Metal Flake of the Sixty's?
Pearls are mica. And the glass flakes are actually glass.