Kantuckid

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Sorry! I wasn't out to hurt your feelings. As for the "King's English", my wife & I keep a Scrabble game running much of the winter. Tell the "King" (or the Queen since no King for now) thanks for the word "queue' as it's a great way to score on the letter "Q", don't know what we'd do with out it?
I suppose I'm presently "queued up" for my new XLT, eh?
FWIW, you don't "fail" a colour test, you score "low".

Like most folks out there the real misunderstanding is all about "Aptitude" which is far different than , say "IQ", or "Knowledge", etc.. Aptitude is a measure of ones "ABILITY" to learn to do something& is a combination of various "things that matter" for the task at hand. The lady in human resources at the Ford bumper plant ask if we should measure color discrimination-I said no unless they are an inspector and the bumpers could get painted the wrong color, otherwise a waste.
E.g. for a dentist would be does this person possess good "hand eye co-ordination", or not? Lets agree we don't want them floundering about in our mouths!
E.G.:
I get my dental work done at the University of KY Dental School. It is a "doctoral school" and attended from many states and countries. I've seen, Iran(yes Iran) , Utah, MI OH, etc.. I ask them if anyone measures their eye hand co-ordination and guess the answer? I was measuring for our tech school skilled trades and medical students-not doctors. Go figure, as they say...
Back to F150!

Fx2.7

There is something else people don't know about painting an aluminum vehicle. This comes from the PPG factory rep. You haft to have a separate room completely cut off from the rest of the shop and you can't use any of the tools you use on steel. If you have a grinder you can't just change the grinding wheel you haft to have a separate grinder. The reason he gave me was it will set up corrosion as time goes on. This don't sound reasonable but they know more than I do.

Kantuckid

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You missed the discussion here weeks ago.
The dust from AL settles on bare steel on other repair jobs (if not isolated) and starts a process called "Galvanic reaction" from dissimilar metals involved and rust starts on the steel vehicles. The rust will cause issues in the future and in an unknowing way for owners down the line.
The "grinder"-lets get around to calling them sanders or "DA's" like folks that work in AB shops- is far easier as you just have to remember to throw away the old disc before commencing repairs on whichever metal. Also can isolate the tools with "that" repair stall.
SPACE for separate repairs IS!!! the issue for independents and smaller dealers who lack under roof repair space flexibility.
there ya go!

F150White

the platinum white looks great but is THE hardest color to match if you have to get it repaired and the touch up paint usualy comes in 2 parts and is also hard to use.

DirtyPatricia72

I purchased a Cervini Ram Air Type IV Hood and a bodyshop/paintshop said that the reason the Tricoat Ruby Red is that they put down a primer, then a base coat of silver paint then 2-4+ base coat ruby red then 2-4+ clear coat. I was surprised when he said he has to put a silver paint coat down and was the reasons to the tri coat for Ruby Red. Can anyone confirm this or is this painter Full of **** and is just in it for the 900$, also he said he paints the hood on the hanger and not on the truck like the other paint shops do it to paint with fender for match.

OkieDoc

Yes the color of the primer and base coat affect the shade of the final color coat.
Also the earthquake in Japan a few years ago destroyed a major supplier of red pigment creating a shortage. This is why the price of red paint is higher.

G Reed Smyth

It's the cost of the pigment we use when me make your paint. It is what it is. Tuxedo Black used to cost more as that is a single sourced pigment.

Krieg

21RRF150

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Wow, interesting thread. Lots of correct info, lots of wrong info.


To the guy that was told you lay down primer, then silver, blah, blah, blah, yeah, pretty sure that was total bs. There is no silver to lay down first. At least not in any paint line that I've ever used, PPG, spies hecker, Standox, or Sherwin Williams


Op's question: Those 2 colors are Tri stage white, and the Ruby Red uses a tinted clear coat. Both use more paint, a. requiring more labor and b. more product, and c. more of the expensive product.


I've painted probably(if I had to guess) close to 1000 Tri stage vehicles. There are a lot of factors to consider here. One that hasn't been mentioned, The number of coats of pearl or tinted clear changes the color. So 1 coat of pearl, will not be the same as 3 coats. Also you're Air pressure, distance, and speed factor in. So if I were to do a Tri stage, then someone else did one the same color, they might be totally different due to the styles of painting. Meaning, how did the factory do it? How fast did they go? How many coats are on there? No one knows, that's why there's more work involved. That's why they cost more.


I have a Ruby Red in my shop right now, I'll post pics of the process I use, when it comes down for paint. It's different than traditional tri stage paints, because it uses a tinted clear coat, vs a tinted mid coat. When you sand it, the dust is pink. When you polish it, the pad on the buffer will be pink.


couple pics... buffing pad after polishing Ruby Red




this is the dust of a Ruby Red, when I sanded the inside of the bed for a bedliner



At the Factory level, it's a longer process. Xyrillic(i think I spelled that right) pearls look nicer, and are more vibrant, so they cost more. They are used in these colors

papa tiger

wouldn't go anywhere without one.