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Old 07-07-2017, 06:52 AM
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Here's one in houston.

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Originally Posted by J15
It's a sucker price. There are, after all, people dumb enough to pay that for a common production vehicle.
23,000 2017 Raptors produced worldwide does not make for a common production vehicle. Paying $70K for a Porsche 911 is smart? Wasn't a hard decision for me. Holds it's value better than just about any other production vehicle out there.


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Old 07-07-2017, 08:59 AM
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This^^^ The VIN in this forum matches the VIN of the posted Ad.
Didn't see what was happen to the truck, other than it was damaged so much that Ford refused to sell it? The plot thickens...I am surprised that we didn't see anything on the Carfax.

It could have been hail or something, I bet Ford would make more money from selling a mint Raptor, than a damaged one. Also the Raptor is an eye catcher, I bet they want it to look nice, instead of dinged up.

I have talked to much about buying a F-150 that my wife always lets me know when she sees a Raptor or a newer F-150. She can identify the new generation F-150s from older ones and she always points it out on the road. I don't want to purchase a Raptor, I am thinking of a Lariat or a Platinum. I check out crazycheapcars every so often to see what the have and just happen to Raptor. The owner of that place lost his Ford dealership as he bit off more than he could chew and took on too much debt with a large inventory that he couldn't easily sell fast enough. That and his commercials were annoying!
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Didn't see what was happen to the truck, other than it was damaged so much that Ford refused to sell it? The plot thickens...I am surprised that we didn't see anything on the Carfax.
carfax only shows what's reported to them.
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:53 AM
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I wouldn't buy anything from that guy. There is a reason he no longer owns his Ford Dealership.
Makes sense why there is a greedy price for a truck that's been through the auto auction already. The depreciation spiel that dealers use on customer's trade ins apparently don't apply to him. lol
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some do, some don't. it says it was sold at auction in dearborn heights, michigan with 55 miles on it in may and listed at the auction as a dealer vehicle.
It's fishy enough that I'd stay away from it, even if I was in the market for one.

You know, about 6 weeks ago we had a hail storm come through here that busted all the windows out of the cars/trucks on dealer lots. All the sheetmetal was ruined. Some were fixed/repaired to be sold here.....other dealerships had lines of carhaulers picking up all their vehicles and taking them away.....far, far, away. Michigan?
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So I wanted to dig further and found some interesting details.


The window sticker on the truck shows optional equipment of TAG 000G000 which is Ford code for a damaged unit


Ford Intransit Damage Policy From the Ford Policy Manual:
In-Transit Damage Repairs
Vehicles damaged in-transit between the assembly plant and the destination dealer or other
location (destination dealer) must be restored to new vehicle condition as soon as possible.
Damage must always be corrected before retail delivery, and will be reimbursed by Ford as long
as the damage was properly noted on the delivery receipt or the carrier was notified of damage
within 2 business days of STI deliveries.
• Repair damaged cars or trucks as long as none of the following conditions exists:
– Total disclosable repair cost exceeds $1,000 (Refer to Disclosable Conditions
heading in this section)
– Vehicle is critically damaged, making new vehicle status doubtful. Critical damage
usually involves at least one of the following:
o Axles – Drivetrain
o Brakes – Frame
o Steering system – Suspension system
o Body panel damaged beyond repair and requires welding to replace.

Ford normally prohibits the sale of vehicles as new if they require over $1,000 of disclosable
intransit loss or damage repairs.
If Ford determines that the vehicle cannot be repaired and sold as new, the Company:
– Voids the original vehicle sale to the dealer
– Transfers vehicle title to Ford
– Dealer reorders a new vehicle as replacement
Lastly I'm pretty sure that Carfax only shows repairs when insurance was involved. In this case my guess is Ford fixed and sold at auction.
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Originally Posted by cobrajunkie
23,000 2017 Raptors produced worldwide does not make for a common production vehicle. Paying $70K for a Porsche 911 is smart? Wasn't a hard decision for me. Holds it's value better than just about any other production vehicle out there.
Seeing that MSRP for a brand new 911 is $90k, you'd be paying $35k less markup than the dumbass that buys the $70k used raptor. If you're buying any of these cars, how they hold their value is irrelevant. The disposable income to pay for comparatively high dollar luxury items precludes the need to care about resale value.

A mass produced and readily available vehicle is a common production vehicle. Ford said it themselves... they want a Raptor made for every buyer. While I don't place value on exclusivity, it's plainly obvious that this isn't a rare or special vehicle. Whether you choose to tell yourself that to justify getting bukakke'd by the sales team at the Ford dealer is another story.
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Wow, I read that guy's whole thread. Never did come back with if he got a replacement or not. Would be pretty F'd up if he was still waiting and this one was all fixed and for sale.
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Originally Posted by J15
Seeing that MSRP for a brand new 911 is $90k, you'd be paying $35k less markup than the dumbass that buys the $70k used raptor. If you're buying any of these cars, how they hold their value is irrelevant.
You didn't specify "used" in your comment but rather made a general statement. You can find "used" 911s for $70K all day long. My point was just because you spend $70K for a luxury item doesn't make you a dumbass. Somewhere along they way, you worked hard and made smart decisions. Suffice to say, resale value is FAR from irrelevant. Most people with disposable income got that way by being frugal/smart with their money.

Originally Posted by J15
The disposable income to pay for comparatively high dollar luxury items precludes the need to care about resale value.
That's just a dumbass statement

Originally Posted by J15
A mass produced and readily available vehicle is a common production vehicle. Ford said it themselves... they want a Raptor made for every buyer. While I don't place value on exclusivity, it's plainly obvious that this isn't a rare or special vehicle. Whether you choose to tell yourself that to justify getting bukakke'd by the sales team at the Ford dealer is another story.
Again....

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