tire pressure fluctuation with nitrogen
#31
Blunt
I don't lose tire pressure until it gets cold, which is normal. I'm normally around 37 once I've been driving a bit. 35 sitting still overnight, and 38-39 driving on really hot days.
Spring and fall I change my own tires. First thing I do is set my pump to 35 PSI and hook it up to one tire at a time. It automatically puts in the pressure I set and shuts off on its own. I've never checked what the pressure is when I do it because as long as it's not obviously flat, I don't really care. While a tire is getting air I'm busy taking one off the truck.
The TPMS sensors are a nice touch, and I check that screen at least every other day, only takes a second. If I'm on a slanted/odd road that makes the drive feel funny, I find myself checking the screen as well just make sure it's the road and not a low tire.
Spring and fall I change my own tires. First thing I do is set my pump to 35 PSI and hook it up to one tire at a time. It automatically puts in the pressure I set and shuts off on its own. I've never checked what the pressure is when I do it because as long as it's not obviously flat, I don't really care. While a tire is getting air I'm busy taking one off the truck.
The TPMS sensors are a nice touch, and I check that screen at least every other day, only takes a second. If I'm on a slanted/odd road that makes the drive feel funny, I find myself checking the screen as well just make sure it's the road and not a low tire.
#32
Senior Member
Because nitrogen can deviate from the laws of physics, right? Good grief....
Now, if you have access to 100% dry compressed air, and use only that to fill your tires, you don't need nitrogen.
If you don't, well...
http://www.gonitrotire.com/nitrogen-...ms-your-tires/
But never mind facts.
OP, as I said, don't believe me or anyone else, find out for yourself. Take the nitrogen out of one tire and put air in it. You will notice the difference in hot tire pressures immediately.
If you don't notice any difference in pressure fluctuation between the air and nitro tires, then you have to wonder if they actually put nitrogen in your tires.
But that could never happen at a dealer, right?
I have to maintain 28 tires on my property. I've done it for years with plain, old, air, and then Costco sold me a set of tires with a free nitrogen fill. I had the experience of checking my wife's Caddy SUV tires right next to my Expedition in the garage.
http://tires2.costco.com/Home.aspx?whs=673
WTF? How come I'm always adding air to her Michelins, and not to my Michelin/nitrogen tires?
So I bought my own nitrogen bottle setup off Craigslist, and never looked back. Life is too short to screw around with a compressor any more than you have to.
But, to each his own. Some people don't mind the extra work of airing a bunch of tires. I do.
#33
Senior Member
As I said, uninformed.
Now, if you have access to 100% dry compressed air, and use only that to fill your tires, you don't need nitrogen.
If you don't, well...
http://www.gonitrotire.com/nitrogen-...ms-your-tires/
But never mind facts.
OP, as I said, don't believe me or anyone else, find out for yourself. Take the nitrogen out of one tire and put air in it. You will notice the difference in hot tire pressures immediately.
If you don't notice any difference in pressure fluctuation between the air and nitro tires, then you have to wonder if they actually put nitrogen in your tires.
But that could never happen at a dealer, right?
I have to maintain 28 tires on my property. I've done it for years with plain, old, air, and then Costco sold me a set of tires with a free nitrogen fill. I had the experience of checking my wife's Caddy SUV tires right next to my Expedition in the garage.
http://tires2.costco.com/Home.aspx?whs=673
WTF? How come I'm always adding air to her Michelins, and not to my Michelin/nitrogen tires?
So I bought my own nitrogen bottle setup off Craigslist, and never looked back. Life is too short to screw around with a compressor any more than you have to.
But, to each his own. Some people don't mind the extra work of airing a bunch of tires. I do.
Now, if you have access to 100% dry compressed air, and use only that to fill your tires, you don't need nitrogen.
If you don't, well...
http://www.gonitrotire.com/nitrogen-...ms-your-tires/
But never mind facts.
OP, as I said, don't believe me or anyone else, find out for yourself. Take the nitrogen out of one tire and put air in it. You will notice the difference in hot tire pressures immediately.
If you don't notice any difference in pressure fluctuation between the air and nitro tires, then you have to wonder if they actually put nitrogen in your tires.
But that could never happen at a dealer, right?
I have to maintain 28 tires on my property. I've done it for years with plain, old, air, and then Costco sold me a set of tires with a free nitrogen fill. I had the experience of checking my wife's Caddy SUV tires right next to my Expedition in the garage.
http://tires2.costco.com/Home.aspx?whs=673
WTF? How come I'm always adding air to her Michelins, and not to my Michelin/nitrogen tires?
So I bought my own nitrogen bottle setup off Craigslist, and never looked back. Life is too short to screw around with a compressor any more than you have to.
But, to each his own. Some people don't mind the extra work of airing a bunch of tires. I do.
This got me counting,,,,, I come up with 64,,, Sorry now that I counted... I use my air compressors to keep them full,,,, including my wife's car with the Costco nitrogen filled tires,, Which are the ones I have to top off the most often..
#34
As I said, uninformed.
Now, if you have access to 100% dry compressed air, and use only that to fill your tires, you don't need nitrogen.
If you don't, well...
http://www.gonitrotire.com/nitrogen-...ms-your-tires/
But never mind facts.
OP, as I said, don't believe me or anyone else, find out for yourself. Take the nitrogen out of one tire and put air in it. You will notice the difference in hot tire pressures immediately.
If you don't notice any difference in pressure fluctuation between the air and nitro tires, then you have to wonder if they actually put nitrogen in your tires.
But that could never happen at a dealer, right?
I have to maintain 28 tires on my property. I've done it for years with plain, old, air, and then Costco sold me a set of tires with a free nitrogen fill. I had the experience of checking my wife's Caddy SUV tires right next to my Expedition in the garage.
http://tires2.costco.com/Home.aspx?whs=673
WTF? How come I'm always adding air to her Michelins, and not to my Michelin/nitrogen tires?
So I bought my own nitrogen bottle setup off Craigslist, and never looked back. Life is too short to screw around with a compressor any more than you have to.
But, to each his own. Some people don't mind the extra work of airing a bunch of tires. I do.
Now, if you have access to 100% dry compressed air, and use only that to fill your tires, you don't need nitrogen.
If you don't, well...
http://www.gonitrotire.com/nitrogen-...ms-your-tires/
But never mind facts.
OP, as I said, don't believe me or anyone else, find out for yourself. Take the nitrogen out of one tire and put air in it. You will notice the difference in hot tire pressures immediately.
If you don't notice any difference in pressure fluctuation between the air and nitro tires, then you have to wonder if they actually put nitrogen in your tires.
But that could never happen at a dealer, right?
I have to maintain 28 tires on my property. I've done it for years with plain, old, air, and then Costco sold me a set of tires with a free nitrogen fill. I had the experience of checking my wife's Caddy SUV tires right next to my Expedition in the garage.
http://tires2.costco.com/Home.aspx?whs=673
WTF? How come I'm always adding air to her Michelins, and not to my Michelin/nitrogen tires?
So I bought my own nitrogen bottle setup off Craigslist, and never looked back. Life is too short to screw around with a compressor any more than you have to.
But, to each his own. Some people don't mind the extra work of airing a bunch of tires. I do.
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#35
Senior Member
There is your mistake, taking a vehicle to Costco for anything!!!!!!
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#37
Uh, yeah they do know their stuff. That's why they use different circumference tires on oval tracks (outer tires vs inner tires) and even group them to within 1/10th of an inch in each tire set, and yes, they use nitrogen!
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/sprint-c...ogy-tires.html
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/sprint-c...ogy-tires.html
#38
Senior Member
My wife's Chrysler 300s came with nitrogen in the tires, by the problem is each and every oil change (4k) we also asked for the tires to be rotated and balanced and guess what no dealer in Tucson has nitrogen, so could not properly adjust the air pressure, so I said please remove it and put in regular air into her and some days they can read a little low in cold weather, but once they get up to temperature they are fine. In my humble opinion it ism a scam and not worth the price.
#39
So you had them remove 100% nitrogen to put in 78% nitrogen? Why not just top them off with air???
#40
Senior Member
You can dispute physics all you want, but you would still be wrong. BTW, you don't have to be an *** to make a point, but in your case it's clear that's it's the choice you prefer.
Excuse me if I decline to discuss physics with you. I suggest that you Google relative molecular size of oxygen, nitrogen, and water vapor molecules as it relates to their dispersion and transmission thru rubber. Tell us what you discover.
But, of course, you won't, because that would be like, well, work.
Out of mercy I'll give you a hint of what you will find, LOL.
2 down vote
While the comments are basically correct, this is a teaching opportunity. You can't just look at bond lengths for determining the size of the molecule as the atoms also have radii which have to be considered. The longest part of the molecule (or widest surface) then can be simply be "bond length + 2x(atomic radius)".
I was able to get some covalent radii data from this website, and if we use it to calculate we find:
Width of dioxygen = 1.21 + 0.73 x 2 = 1.21 + 1.46 = 2.67 Angstroms
Width of dinitrogen = 1.10 + 0.75 x 2 = 1.10 + 1.50 = 2.60 Angstroms
So the original difference of 11 angstroms is down to 7 angstroms. Not much of an improvement, and Oxygen is still larger than Nitrogen. However, if you incorrectly used the atomic radius...
Width of dioxygen = 1.21 + 0.48 x 2 = 1.21 + 0.96 = 2.17 Angstroms
Width of dinitrogen = 1.10 + 0.56 x 2 = 1.10 + 1.12 = 2.22 Angstroms
Suddenly Nitrogen is bigger.
While the comments are basically correct, this is a teaching opportunity. You can't just look at bond lengths for determining the size of the molecule as the atoms also have radii which have to be considered. The longest part of the molecule (or widest surface) then can be simply be "bond length + 2x(atomic radius)".
I was able to get some covalent radii data from this website, and if we use it to calculate we find:
Width of dioxygen = 1.21 + 0.73 x 2 = 1.21 + 1.46 = 2.67 Angstroms
Width of dinitrogen = 1.10 + 0.75 x 2 = 1.10 + 1.50 = 2.60 Angstroms
So the original difference of 11 angstroms is down to 7 angstroms. Not much of an improvement, and Oxygen is still larger than Nitrogen. However, if you incorrectly used the atomic radius...
Width of dioxygen = 1.21 + 0.48 x 2 = 1.21 + 0.96 = 2.17 Angstroms
Width of dinitrogen = 1.10 + 0.56 x 2 = 1.10 + 1.12 = 2.22 Angstroms
Suddenly Nitrogen is bigger.
Last edited by All Hat No Cattle; 12-22-2016 at 07:06 PM.