Switching from 3.5 EB to V8
#31
Check your local County Tax rate if you have them in your area .. The difference here is 600.00 per truck a year for the 350 compared to the 250, which would cost me 2400.00 a year just to tag them. Not worth it for me.
#32
Senior Member
I'm glad you're happy with the new Purchase, although I'm unsure how you came to the conclusion that it towed better.
I've had 4 Ecoboost trucks and every time I've used a 5.0 to tow anything it drives me nuts, No low end compared to eco, and constant gear changing and high revving. Don't get me wrong the 5.0 tows it , it is just to much more dramatic.
Eco never gear hunts, rarely goes over 2800 RPM and in back to back trips same place same trailer 500 miles, 5.0 did maybe 5% better on fuel but I'd gladly take the trade off for the low end grunt of the eco.
I've had 4 Ecoboost trucks and every time I've used a 5.0 to tow anything it drives me nuts, No low end compared to eco, and constant gear changing and high revving. Don't get me wrong the 5.0 tows it , it is just to much more dramatic.
Eco never gear hunts, rarely goes over 2800 RPM and in back to back trips same place same trailer 500 miles, 5.0 did maybe 5% better on fuel but I'd gladly take the trade off for the low end grunt of the eco.
#33
Even though they are 2011 trucks, they are the same drive trains up to 2016 except the 5.0L was upgraded heavily in the torque/rpm and the horsepower department. The Ecoboost 3.5L had a different intercooler and active shutters.
Last edited by Mike Up; 04-08-2017 at 03:00 PM.
#34
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Surprised they recommend regular towing for the 5.0L and only occasional towing for the 3.5L Ecoboost. Guess they learned some things from the long term tests and having both to compare.
Even though they are 2011 trucks, they are the same drive trains up to 2016 except the 5.0L was upgraded heavily in the torque/rpm and the horsepower department. The Ecoboost 3.5L had a different intercooler and active shutters.
Even though they are 2011 trucks, they are the same drive trains up to 2016 except the 5.0L was upgraded heavily in the torque/rpm and the horsepower department. The Ecoboost 3.5L had a different intercooler and active shutters.
They had no long term tests. "Had a different intercooler and active shutters." Guess it's been upgraded like the 5.0 has been. It's called evolving. Having a tough time accepting Ford's future? Actually the automotive industry in general. Smaller motors with boost.
#35
Surprised they recommend regular towing for the 5.0L and only occasional towing for the 3.5L Ecoboost. Guess they learned some things from the long term tests and having both to compare.
Even though they are 2011 trucks, they are the same drive trains up to 2016 except the 5.0L was upgraded heavily in the torque/rpm and the horsepower department. The Ecoboost 3.5L had a different intercooler and active shutters.
Even though they are 2011 trucks, they are the same drive trains up to 2016 except the 5.0L was upgraded heavily in the torque/rpm and the horsepower department. The Ecoboost 3.5L had a different intercooler and active shutters.
You can wish the 5.0 is better all you want but I will NEVER own another NA motor and 99.9% of people that have a turbocharged motor will not go back either.
#36
They chose the 5.0L over the Ecoboost because they preferred it for towing over the Ecoboost, JUST AS THEY SAID.
Sometimes the TRUTH hurts when not everyone feels the Egoboost is the best option.
While the 2017 2nd generation 3.5L Turbo has came a long way from the trouble prone 1st generation 3.5L Turbo in the previous generation F150, there's some things a "Turbo" motor will always have as negatives: Turbo lag, the need for a vacuum pump for the brakes (which has had many problems and recalls), overheating issues in hot climates while towing, and while mostly infrequent , turbo failures, and less effect engine braking while towing, due to the smaller V6 displacement.
I still feel turbo engines are more appropriate for a car, questionable in a truck even if my next F150 will have it.
Sometimes the TRUTH hurts when not everyone feels the Egoboost is the best option.
While the 2017 2nd generation 3.5L Turbo has came a long way from the trouble prone 1st generation 3.5L Turbo in the previous generation F150, there's some things a "Turbo" motor will always have as negatives: Turbo lag, the need for a vacuum pump for the brakes (which has had many problems and recalls), overheating issues in hot climates while towing, and while mostly infrequent , turbo failures, and less effect engine braking while towing, due to the smaller V6 displacement.
I still feel turbo engines are more appropriate for a car, questionable in a truck even if my next F150 will have it.
Last edited by Mike Up; 04-09-2017 at 01:08 AM.
#37
Mostly Ford and GM are pushing all their vehicles to turbos. Most other vehicle makers are sticking with normally aspirated engines and using technology to get better fuel efficiency across the board without the worry of being in the boost and losing efficiency.
Sounds like the Boy racers and their ricer mentality are coming across this board more and more frequent.
Sounds like the Boy racers and their ricer mentality are coming across this board more and more frequent.
#38
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Mostly Ford and GM are pushing all their vehicles to turbos. Most other vehicle makers are sticking with normally aspirated engines and using technology to get better fuel efficiency across the board without the worry of being in the boost and losing efficiency.
Sounds like the Boy racers and their ricer mentality are coming across this board more and more frequent.
Sounds like the Boy racers and their ricer mentality are coming across this board more and more frequent.
It's more like Ford and GM are following the pack pushing their vehicles to turbo's. Trying to keep pace. Someday you'll have to accept the facts. Personally though, I really couldn't care less what you like or buy. Hopefully you'll quit worrying about what everyone else likes and just worry about yourself.
2007 AMG is Supercharged, as they all were. My 2016 AMG is a twin turbo as they all are now.
5G is here, you'll probably tell me 3G is better.
and, I'm done. Knock yourself out and continue enjoying your 2011 review.
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#39
Try realist.
It's more like Ford and GM are following the pack pushing their vehicles to turbo's. Trying to keep pace. Someday you'll have to accept the facts. Personally though, I really couldn't care less what you like or buy. Hopefully you'll quit worrying about what everyone else likes and just worry about yourself.
It's more like Ford and GM are following the pack pushing their vehicles to turbo's. Trying to keep pace. Someday you'll have to accept the facts. Personally though, I really couldn't care less what you like or buy. Hopefully you'll quit worrying about what everyone else likes and just worry about yourself.
Wake up and get your head out of the sand, there's a reason why turbos have been on cars, diesels, and never truck gas engines. Ford is trying to push the envelope by doing something that's never been recommended in doing. Great, but call it for what it is, it's pluses and minuses and stop the ridiculous and ignorant bull**** of saying that the 5.0L can't tow when it does it better than most any 1/2 ton truck built today.
#40
Senior Member
The 2017 3.5L EcoBoost II has a new vacuum generator from Dayco which is used on NASCARs too. That probably solved that problem.
http://www.dayco.com/vacuum-generation-systems
http://www.dayco.com/vacuum-generation-systems
They chose the 5.0L over the Ecoboost because they preferred it for towing over the Ecoboost, JUST AS THEY SAID.
Sometimes the TRUTH hurts when not everyone feels the Egoboost is the best option.
While the 2017 2nd generation 3.5L Turbo has came a long way from the trouble prone 1st generation 3.5L Turbo in the previous generation F150, there's some things a "Turbo" motor will always have as negatives: Turbo lag, the need for a vacuum pump for the brakes (which has had many problems and recalls), overheating issues in hot climates while towing, and while mostly infrequent , turbo failures, and less effect engine braking while towing, due to the smaller V6 displacement.
I still feel turbo engines are more appropriate for a car, questionable in a truck even if my next F150 will have it.
Sometimes the TRUTH hurts when not everyone feels the Egoboost is the best option.
While the 2017 2nd generation 3.5L Turbo has came a long way from the trouble prone 1st generation 3.5L Turbo in the previous generation F150, there's some things a "Turbo" motor will always have as negatives: Turbo lag, the need for a vacuum pump for the brakes (which has had many problems and recalls), overheating issues in hot climates while towing, and while mostly infrequent , turbo failures, and less effect engine braking while towing, due to the smaller V6 displacement.
I still feel turbo engines are more appropriate for a car, questionable in a truck even if my next F150 will have it.