Real world payload
05-23-2018, 03:58 PM
#11
Go to page 34/35 https://www.ford.com/services/assets...-150&year=2018
That chart will go pretty far in explaining how the relationship between the payload and tow capacity interact.
I had the same questions and after 2 weeks of constant research, now have a decent overview.
Bottom line - no matter what the capacity SAYS it is, you are bound by the lowest common denominator, be it tires, axles, suspension, hitch, or the frame.
I have yet to see the engine even coming into play for this equation.
The 10speed transmission is rated for 800NM of input torque, so the sky is the limit.
Class 4 hitch is a 5000/7000lb limit
Tow package is over 11,000 and included a transmission cooler, bigger radiator and cooling fans and a thicker front sway bar.
Max tow does that plus slightly better frame and slightly stronger axle (still 8.8" ring gear and limited to 3.55EL)
2.7 Payload gives you 3.73's, 9.75" ring gear + requires the Tow package
3.5 Heavy Duty Payload gives you 3.73 (only way to get them with 3.5), 9.75" gearset, thicker axles, thickest frame possible, but is only available with the 6.5 bed (which ruins it for me) and includes max tow.
So you can see that the best real world option is the HDPP and not the Max Tow if your concern was only towing.
That chart will go pretty far in explaining how the relationship between the payload and tow capacity interact.
I had the same questions and after 2 weeks of constant research, now have a decent overview.
Bottom line - no matter what the capacity SAYS it is, you are bound by the lowest common denominator, be it tires, axles, suspension, hitch, or the frame.
I have yet to see the engine even coming into play for this equation.
The 10speed transmission is rated for 800NM of input torque, so the sky is the limit.
Class 4 hitch is a 5000/7000lb limit
Tow package is over 11,000 and included a transmission cooler, bigger radiator and cooling fans and a thicker front sway bar.
Max tow does that plus slightly better frame and slightly stronger axle (still 8.8" ring gear and limited to 3.55EL)
2.7 Payload gives you 3.73's, 9.75" ring gear + requires the Tow package
3.5 Heavy Duty Payload gives you 3.73 (only way to get them with 3.5), 9.75" gearset, thicker axles, thickest frame possible, but is only available with the 6.5 bed (which ruins it for me) and includes max tow.
So you can see that the best real world option is the HDPP and not the Max Tow if your concern was only towing.
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Wicked ace (05-23-2018)
05-23-2018, 04:18 PM
#12
Someone with an HDPP please correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from fewer trim choices, fewer options for wheels, and a slight gas-mileage hit, I don't see any reason not to order HDPP if payload is at all a concern; if HDPP payload doesn't seem like it will be sufficient, then you'd probably need to either scale down the trailer or scale up the truck. The Ford Fleet document that had the weights of various options listed seems to have gone away from its previous URL, but I'd guess that the fleet sales guy at your local dealership should still be able to get his hands on it (and would hopefully be willing to provide a copy to you).
I'm not seeing a mileage hit coming off a 2011 Ecoboost. 10 speed makes up for it. I scale at 6050 leaving me 1800 lbs payload. It's an awesome tow vehicle, and a very acceptable DD. Far superior to my 2011 in every way.
I'll go so far as to say that if you tow anything over 5000 lbs on a regular basis, the HDPP is the way to go. You will never worry about your limits.
Mike
Last edited by mhamershock; 05-23-2018 at 04:21 PM.
05-23-2018, 04:30 PM
#13
^^^ for the exact same reason, I'm going with the 2.7 Payload package and give up a little for the few times a year that I will be towing the race trailer. The absolute MAX I will ever tow is 8000lbs. more likely closer to 7000. I'm happy to get the better mileage for the 99% of the time that I'm NOT towing.
05-23-2018, 06:02 PM
#14
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D K / mhamershock
I'm taken with some of the smaller 5th wheels being built now. More space that is easier to tow in a package the same footprint.I ran into a fellow at a campground about a month ago and was impressed with the fifth wheel he had. My concern is the 1300# trailer weight given by two I may be interested in. If my payload would come in near 2000#, which I think it might, I'm probably good. It's me and the dog a cooler of drinks, leashes and a water bowl in the cab. With a fifth wheel I would probably remove the tailgate. I'm just weighing my options. I can always go to a bigger conventional trailer too. In the end though I need a truck that is every day driveable. I've learned at 63, a 3/4 ton is not an option.
I'm taken with some of the smaller 5th wheels being built now. More space that is easier to tow in a package the same footprint.I ran into a fellow at a campground about a month ago and was impressed with the fifth wheel he had. My concern is the 1300# trailer weight given by two I may be interested in. If my payload would come in near 2000#, which I think it might, I'm probably good. It's me and the dog a cooler of drinks, leashes and a water bowl in the cab. With a fifth wheel I would probably remove the tailgate. I'm just weighing my options. I can always go to a bigger conventional trailer too. In the end though I need a truck that is every day driveable. I've learned at 63, a 3/4 ton is not an option.
05-23-2018, 06:34 PM
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D K / mhamershock
I'm taken with some of the smaller 5th wheels being built now. More space that is easier to tow in a package the same footprint.I ran into a fellow at a campground about a month ago and was impressed with the fifth wheel he had. My concern is the 1300# trailer weight given by two I may be interested in. If my payload would come in near 2000#, which I think it might, I'm probably good. It's me and the dog a cooler of drinks, leashes and a water bowl in the cab. With a fifth wheel I would probably remove the tailgate. I'm just weighing my options. I can always go to a bigger conventional trailer too. In the end though I need a truck that is every day driveable. I've learned at 63, a 3/4 ton is not an option.
I'm taken with some of the smaller 5th wheels being built now. More space that is easier to tow in a package the same footprint.I ran into a fellow at a campground about a month ago and was impressed with the fifth wheel he had. My concern is the 1300# trailer weight given by two I may be interested in. If my payload would come in near 2000#, which I think it might, I'm probably good. It's me and the dog a cooler of drinks, leashes and a water bowl in the cab. With a fifth wheel I would probably remove the tailgate. I'm just weighing my options. I can always go to a bigger conventional trailer too. In the end though I need a truck that is every day driveable. I've learned at 63, a 3/4 ton is not an option.
05-23-2018, 07:24 PM
#16
D K / mhamershock
I'm taken with some of the smaller 5th wheels being built now. More space that is easier to tow in a package the same footprint.I ran into a fellow at a campground about a month ago and was impressed with the fifth wheel he had. My concern is the 1300# trailer weight given by two I may be interested in. If my payload would come in near 2000#, which I think it might, I'm probably good. It's me and the dog a cooler of drinks, leashes and a water bowl in the cab. With a fifth wheel I would probably remove the tailgate. I'm just weighing my options. I can always go to a bigger conventional trailer too. In the end though I need a truck that is every day driveable. I've learned at 63, a 3/4 ton is not an option.
I'm taken with some of the smaller 5th wheels being built now. More space that is easier to tow in a package the same footprint.I ran into a fellow at a campground about a month ago and was impressed with the fifth wheel he had. My concern is the 1300# trailer weight given by two I may be interested in. If my payload would come in near 2000#, which I think it might, I'm probably good. It's me and the dog a cooler of drinks, leashes and a water bowl in the cab. With a fifth wheel I would probably remove the tailgate. I'm just weighing my options. I can always go to a bigger conventional trailer too. In the end though I need a truck that is every day driveable. I've learned at 63, a 3/4 ton is not an option.
If you take it to the max at 9k, your hitch weight is 2250 and your payload is 1940.
With a 5th wheel you are looking at around 6100lbs trailer weight.
05-23-2018, 07:25 PM
#17
I have the HDPP SCREW 3.5EB with the 6.5 bed. It's not small by any means, but towing stability is outstanding, as is room for passengers and cargo. Yeah, it's a tight fit in some places, but I stay out of the city anyway as much as I can. I'm 55 and it's my DD and is a good one. I've also loaded it up to the max 7850 GVWR (4600 on the rear axle) and put 2000 tow miles on it easily.
05-23-2018, 07:51 PM
#18
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https://www.granddesignrv.com/showro...ion-150-series
Last edited by Wicked ace; 05-23-2018 at 07:57 PM.
05-23-2018, 07:53 PM
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05-23-2018, 08:23 PM
#20
I was faced with pretty much the same. In the end my take was this. I want a SCAB short bed Lariat with a 5.0. Can't get the HDPP or Max Tow with that combo. I decided that I would get the 3.73 rear to get the 9.75". That gives me the heaviest parts I can get with my configuration. I'll add airbags to carry more weight as needed. May not be perfect and pass scrutiny of the local "experts", but it will still beat any other possible combination for my needs, to include the 250.