Real world payload
05-23-2018, 08:49 AM
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Real world payload
I'm looking to build a truck with the intention of pulling my TT around but with everyday driveability. I'm going over the charts and specs from Ford and I'm finding the listed max payload for an XLT Scab, 6.5 bed, 4x4, 3.5 eco. and max tow to be 2150#. The trailer tow weight conventional is listed 11,700# about 1000# less for fifth wheel. The more I read the more confused I get with the actual payload. I see others posting payload stickers from 1400# to 1800#. Now I'm starting to understand the number I saw was marketing and the real world number is what Ford determines based on the configuration of the truck (actual weight). What could I reasonably expect?
The TT I have now loaded weighs in around 7000# +/- with a tongue weight of 710 so it's not a problem. I'm looking to take the future into consideration going to a longer and heavier TT, possibly fifth wheel. The ones I was looking at were around 1300# hitch weight (problem?) and 10,000 GVWR. Thanks
The TT I have now loaded weighs in around 7000# +/- with a tongue weight of 710 so it's not a problem. I'm looking to take the future into consideration going to a longer and heavier TT, possibly fifth wheel. The ones I was looking at were around 1300# hitch weight (problem?) and 10,000 GVWR. Thanks
05-23-2018, 09:04 AM
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There's a chart somewhere that shows the actual weight of each option. Every option you add takes away weight.
If you're looking at 1300# hitch weight on a fifth wheel, the only way you're going to stand a chance of being legal is buying an HDPP, which will likely require ordering.
If you're looking at 1300# hitch weight on a fifth wheel, the only way you're going to stand a chance of being legal is buying an HDPP, which will likely require ordering.
05-23-2018, 02:25 PM
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You should review the many posts on the towing section of the forum. https://www.f150forum.com/f82 This is discussed over and over.
Go look at any F-150. Lay down, and read the sticker on the trailer hitch. You'll find that with a 1,300 pound hitch weight, you're NOT going to tow that with an F-150. Not to mention the other 75 - 100 pounds from the WDH. Not going to happen. A 2,000 pound payload doesn't give you the ability to tow a trailer that is 2000 / .13 avg hitch weight = 15,384 pounds. It simply gives you the ability to max out your legal hitch weight (which is below 1,300 pounds), and load in 4 adults and even something in the bed of the truck.
As to a 5th wheel, again, read the posts on the towing section. Most 5th wheels will exceed either payload, or the capacity of your rear axle, or both. If you want to tow heavy, then you should buy a 3/4 ton or higher truck.
Go look at any F-150. Lay down, and read the sticker on the trailer hitch. You'll find that with a 1,300 pound hitch weight, you're NOT going to tow that with an F-150. Not to mention the other 75 - 100 pounds from the WDH. Not going to happen. A 2,000 pound payload doesn't give you the ability to tow a trailer that is 2000 / .13 avg hitch weight = 15,384 pounds. It simply gives you the ability to max out your legal hitch weight (which is below 1,300 pounds), and load in 4 adults and even something in the bed of the truck.
As to a 5th wheel, again, read the posts on the towing section. Most 5th wheels will exceed either payload, or the capacity of your rear axle, or both. If you want to tow heavy, then you should buy a 3/4 ton or higher truck.
05-23-2018, 02:41 PM
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I'm looking to build a truck with the intention of pulling my TT around but with everyday driveability. I'm going over the charts and specs from Ford and I'm finding the listed max payload for an XLT Scab, 6.5 bed, 4x4, 3.5 eco. and max tow to be 2150#. The trailer tow weight conventional is listed 11,700# about 1000# less for fifth wheel. The more I read the more confused I get with the actual payload. I see others posting payload stickers from 1400# to 1800#. Now I'm starting to understand the number I saw was marketing and the real world number is what Ford determines based on the configuration of the truck (actual weight). What could I reasonably expect?
The TT I have now loaded weighs in around 7000# +/- with a tongue weight of 710 so it's not a problem. I'm looking to take the future into consideration going to a longer and heavier TT, possibly fifth wheel. The ones I was looking at were around 1300# hitch weight (problem?) and 10,000 GVWR. Thanks
The TT I have now loaded weighs in around 7000# +/- with a tongue weight of 710 so it's not a problem. I'm looking to take the future into consideration going to a longer and heavier TT, possibly fifth wheel. The ones I was looking at were around 1300# hitch weight (problem?) and 10,000 GVWR. Thanks
I just calculated out what I 'typically travel with' so I can get as close as possible to what I can tow without physically going and weighing my truck (not convenient).
So myself/wife/kid/accessories/supplies/some tools/generator combined weight approx 730 lbs (but very closely calculated), I said add another 100 lbs for variance.
I have stickered payload of 1842 lbs so 1842 minus 730 minus 112 lbs equals 1000 lbs of available hitch weight @ 13% equals 7,692 max trailer weight.
Even if you put in the max 2150 rating you mentioned you would end up with 1308 lbs of available hitch weight (which might exceed your hitch's actual rating) and resulting in a 10,062 lb max trailer weight. **based on a conventional trailer not fifth wheel**
"I" think you would have a tough time staying within your specs based on that trailer you mentioned. If the max payload rating is 2150 for your specific spec'd truck, you will likely be a couple hundred pounds lower and then you wouldn't stay in you weight limits.
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05-23-2018, 03:12 PM
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You should review the many posts on the towing section of the forum. https://www.f150forum.com/f82 This is discussed over and over.
Go look at any F-150. Lay down, and read the sticker on the trailer hitch. You'll find that with a 1,300 pound hitch weight, you're NOT going to tow that with an F-150. Not to mention the other 75 - 100 pounds from the WDH. Not going to happen. A 2,000 pound payload doesn't give you the ability to tow a trailer that is 2000 / .13 avg hitch weight = 15,384 pounds. It simply gives you the ability to max out your legal hitch weight (which is below 1,300 pounds), and load in 4 adults and even something in the bed of the truck.
As to a 5th wheel, again, read the posts on the towing section. Most 5th wheels will exceed either payload, or the capacity of your rear axle, or both. If you want to tow heavy, then you should buy a 3/4 ton or higher truck.
Go look at any F-150. Lay down, and read the sticker on the trailer hitch. You'll find that with a 1,300 pound hitch weight, you're NOT going to tow that with an F-150. Not to mention the other 75 - 100 pounds from the WDH. Not going to happen. A 2,000 pound payload doesn't give you the ability to tow a trailer that is 2000 / .13 avg hitch weight = 15,384 pounds. It simply gives you the ability to max out your legal hitch weight (which is below 1,300 pounds), and load in 4 adults and even something in the bed of the truck.
As to a 5th wheel, again, read the posts on the towing section. Most 5th wheels will exceed either payload, or the capacity of your rear axle, or both. If you want to tow heavy, then you should buy a 3/4 ton or higher truck.
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05-23-2018, 03:40 PM
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I did my homework as best I could THEN I posed my question. I tried to convey it in my post. It is sometimes difficult to go through each post as they meander through each ones thoughts and perspective. If I had not gone to lengths to explain and call out facts I would say he had grounds otherwise he might have tried to contribute. The others who posted meaningful answers to my questions have helped me draw the conclusions I need. Thank you for your concern.
05-23-2018, 03:53 PM
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Someone with an HDPP please correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from fewer trim choices, fewer options for wheels, and a slight gas-mileage hit, I don't see any reason not to order HDPP if payload is at all a concern; if HDPP payload doesn't seem like it will be sufficient, then you'd probably need to either scale down the trailer or scale up the truck. The Ford Fleet document that had the weights of various options listed seems to have gone away from its previous URL, but I'd guess that the fleet sales guy at your local dealership should still be able to get his hands on it (and would hopefully be willing to provide a copy to you).
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