Pros/cons of changing your own oil
#21
If you could do it yourself then by all means, do it yourself. You buying full synthetic (Pennzoil, Mobil, whatever) with Motorcraft filter will generally cost the same as synthetic blend at the dealership with filter. If I had to pay the same or near the same price between full synthetic vs blend, might as well get full. But at the same time you could get tire rotation, and then take the chance of a kid over torquing your lugs, forgetting to put the oil cap back on, overfilling, making a mess around the engine bay, accidentally damaging something and don’t say anything, etc. Your call.
Use the viscosity recommended in the manual.
Use the viscosity recommended in the manual.
#23
I don't know how people say it costs about the same at the dealer. Mobil has rebates twice a year. $12 rebate for 5 qt of Mobil 1. $23 at Wal-Mart - $12 rebate = $11 = $2.20 per qt. $13.20 for full synthetic oil plus $7.52 for Motorcraft filter on Amazon = $20.72. Where are you guys getting a full synthetic oil change for $26?
'Checking the other fluids' takes a couple of minutes. 'Establishing a relationship with the service department' LOL, the rare times I need warranty service, they seem to take care of me just fine, even if I didn't buy the car there or never paid a dime for other service.
'Checking the other fluids' takes a couple of minutes. 'Establishing a relationship with the service department' LOL, the rare times I need warranty service, they seem to take care of me just fine, even if I didn't buy the car there or never paid a dime for other service.
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VectorZ (12-22-2017)
#24
Senior Member
Very true. Not such a big deal, although it's nice that I don't need to buy and store approved fluids for the occasional top-off. I do trust that when required, the dealer will use the correct fluids.
I had never let anybody else change oil in any vehicle until I bought my '12 new. Since then, my dealer performs "The Works" package for $34.99. A couple of times per year they have a $10 discount or a $10 Valvoline rebate. 'The Works' also includes tire rotation, which is a PITA in a typical residential garage. Basically the tire rotation and other Works items are free. Sometimes even the filter ends up being free.
I still do all oil changes and regular maintenance in every other vehicle/engine I own. But until the dealer screws something up, I'm comfortable and happy to let them do this stuff on my F150. At the same time, I have complete empathy for those who want to do this themselves, for whatever reason. Either road is easily justified.
#25
I change the oil in every internal combustion engine I own. 29 of them. Never kept a record or receipt. Just not a big deal and not the thing that is going to get a warranty claim denied. If I had to take every car, boat, motorcycle and piece of farm equipment to a dealer to get the oil changed that's all I would be doing. What a waste of time.
Even I had just one car and nothing else, I can have the oil changed quicker than it would take just to drive to the dealer. The time I would spend waiting and driving home is wasted. My vehicles that are under warranty never see a dealer except for warranty repairs, TSB's or recalls. I do all the rest myself.
Even I had just one car and nothing else, I can have the oil changed quicker than it would take just to drive to the dealer. The time I would spend waiting and driving home is wasted. My vehicles that are under warranty never see a dealer except for warranty repairs, TSB's or recalls. I do all the rest myself.
#26
No fart cans allowed
Most Autozone type places take used oil. A lot of quick oil change places will also take your used oil. Make a few phone calls to the closest shops.
Recycling is great but Scientific American estimated that only about 10% of used motor oil get turned back into base stock. My local quick change place in MI uses used oil to heat the building.
IMHO you should go the miles recommended by your car manufacturer or OLM. Oils are a lot better than they were "back in the day" as well as auto manufacturers have gradually implemented changes in engines so that they require oil changes less frequently. It has been estimated that the USA wastes in excess of 5 million gallons of oil per year, due to people changing their oil too often.<end soapbox>
Recycling is great but Scientific American estimated that only about 10% of used motor oil get turned back into base stock. My local quick change place in MI uses used oil to heat the building.
IMHO you should go the miles recommended by your car manufacturer or OLM. Oils are a lot better than they were "back in the day" as well as auto manufacturers have gradually implemented changes in engines so that they require oil changes less frequently. It has been estimated that the USA wastes in excess of 5 million gallons of oil per year, due to people changing their oil too often.<end soapbox>
The OEMs sometimes tend to over-reach extended OLM/oil change intervals, which then can cause very expensive engine repairs. We owned a 2008 Buick Enclave, which had the DOHC 3.6 V6. The OLM would not have called for a change for over 12k miles. People who followed the monitor started having timing chain issues a couple of years down the road that was ultimately traced back to the too-long OLM interval, initially resulting in out of pocket repair expenses of from $3500-$5500. GM changed the OLM interval for the 2010 model year, and later issued a bulletin and reprogrammed all of them. Our Enclave still would have gone to about 9k miles, even after the reprogramming. I personally would rather change my oil twice a year minimum, costing me about $35 additional, for peace of mind on engine longevity. The vast majority of people probably don't keep their vehicles long enough (either years or mileage) to realize the benefits of this precautionary approach. I tend to keep my vehicles for the long haul - many for 12-14 years, and quite a few for 200k miles or very close.
This is my conservative approach and as always, YMMV.
Last edited by BadAV; 12-22-2017 at 07:30 AM.
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funnyman06 (02-05-2018)
#27
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The OEMs sometimes tend to over-reach extended OLM/oil change intervals, which then can cause very expensive engine repairs. We owned a 2008 Buick Enclave, which had the DOHC 3.6 V6. The OLM would not have called for a change for over 12k miles. People who followed the monitor started having timing chain issues a couple of years down the road that was ultimately traced back to the too-long OLM interval. GM changed the OLM interval for the 2010 model year, and later issued a bulletin and reprogrammed all of them. Our Enclave still would have gone to about 9k miles, even after the reprogramming. I personally would rather change my oil twice a year minimum, costing me about $35 additional, for peace of mind on engine longevity. The vast majority of people probably don't keep their vehicles long enough (either years or mileage) to realize the benefits of this precautionary approach. I tend to keep my vehicles for the long haul - many for 12-14 years, and quite a few for 200k miles or very close. This is my conservative approach and as always, YMMV.
Before IOLM's existed, we drove our Ford Explorer for 15 years, using regular oil, and changing at 7,500 miles because that was the recommended interval. Had a minivan for 11 years.
The reality is that today's oils, especially synthetics, can go much longer than anything in the past. People have posted oil analysis at 10,000 miles showing more life left.
#29
same. Its like 85-125 here at a dealer. But pepboys still does it for 19.99 labor. (you bring your own stuff)
#30
Senior Member
I do my own... With older vehicles, I'd go to quick change places in the winter, but with newer vehicles, I really only need to change it a couple times a year. It sort of forces me to look over other stuff while I'm doing it (other fluid levels, condition of hoses, etc). I just wish the stupid 2.7l oil filters weren't so expensive. It's like the smallest filter, but cost the most. Still cheaper for me to do it myself, you just gotta watch the deals they have at the auto parts stores. Synthetics get expensive at quick change places.
For intervals, I depend on the computer, but I usually don't let it go below like 15%.
My wife's company works on heavy equipment, so she just takes the old oil jugs into work to dispose of it there.
For intervals, I depend on the computer, but I usually don't let it go below like 15%.
My wife's company works on heavy equipment, so she just takes the old oil jugs into work to dispose of it there.
Last edited by rival; 12-22-2017 at 10:41 AM.