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Old 02-22-2019, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 68injunhed
I came into this truck from a ‘17 Tacoma, I never got rated mileage from it either. My goal trading into this truck was to get within sight of the Tacoma on mileage. For me, it does.

i think few people drive in the fashion it would take to consistently hit the rated mileages in most vehicles. Not to mention I didn’t exactly have fuel economy too high on the list when looking at full size 4WD V8 pickups.
My wife just got a 2019 Tacoma. My 2015 F150 gets better mpg.

I can get the numbers on the sticker...if I drive the speed limit and treat the gas pedal as if it is made of eggshells. And even hammering on it around town, I don't really get worse than the listed city mpg.

By my calculations, I'm averaging 17mpg (which I think is the mixed driving number on my sticker) and that includes me using remote start nearly every morning in the winter and occasionally after work as well. Truck reads 18.0 and I am pretty sure it does not account for the extra fuel used during the warmup cycle because it is damn close to the hand calc in the summer and much farther off in the winter (when I don't use remote start).

Heck, I once got 23.5mpg over 75 miles of hills by accelerating easy but still going ~8mph over the speed limit (55mph), it was over 24mpg until I put it in 4wd the last 10 miles since it was snowing pretty hard by then and the roads were crap.
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I don't get anywhere near the rated MPG for my truck but I think it's great mpg for a truck. That said, it is pretty obvious that Ford is really reaching with the mpg ratings to sell vehicles. The fact that the employees have to raise the concern everyone plainly sees is telling. Ford is a company in crisis. Financially, internally, engineering and quality, and lots of bad management strategy/decisions are going to become visible in the coming years.
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Originally Posted by lawndart
I don't get anywhere near the rated MPG for my truck but I think it's great mpg for a truck. That said, it is pretty obvious that Ford is really reaching with the mpg ratings to sell vehicles. The fact that the employees have to raise the concern everyone plainly sees is telling. Ford is a company in crisis. Financially, internally, engineering and quality, and lots of bad management strategy/decisions are going to become visible in the coming years.
Come on folks! Does anybody really believe Ford does this any different than any other brand? Do you really think they would use a truck that has been jacked up, modified to something they don't offer, use drivers that are anything other than normal law abiding and easy on the machinery to calculate these silly numbers? Do any of them advertise worst case mileage?

This number is published because some dumb *** politician thought it would be a good idea. Much like the "on time" performance of airlines. It is useless as no law can account for the thousands of variables involved in both. I believe Ford offers 45,000 different build combo's. You really think they checked every one? To me, no number on a window sticker is believable. The only number that counts is the last one on the contract. I surely hope nobody here actually thinks Ford or any other company actually tests every individual vehicle. The most important part in a car for mileage and longevity is the nut behind the wheel and they have no idea who or what that part may be.

"Company in Crisis"? Where did you come up with that?

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The EPA numbers are there for comparison shopping, and as long as the proper procedures are followed by the OEM to establish them, that's the only requirement.

I have found, among the many brands of vehicles I've driven, if you drive "legally" (ie:speed), and with your brain engaged, it's pretty easy to hit or exceed the rated numbers.

A quick road trip is all it takes to reveal most do not adhere to speed limits, and drive like inconsiderate morons, so, there ya go.
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I mean, I'm hitting 22.5-23 mpg on the highway on 100+ mile drives pretty easily. I'd say that's pretty damn close to the EPAs claim.

You also need to remember, the EPA numbers are reflecting absolute perfect conditions. Not driving 80 mph on the highway, but doing 55-60 steady which is pretty unrealistic for I-95, if you've ever been on it.
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Originally Posted by BShadows
I mean, I'm hitting 22.5-23 mpg on the highway on 100+ mile drives pretty easily. I'd say that's pretty damn close to the EPAs claim.

You also need to remember, the EPA numbers are reflecting absolute perfect conditions. Not driving 80 mph on the highway, but doing 55-60 steady which is pretty unrealistic for I-95, if you've ever been on it.
I can not get any where near the MPG that Ford says my truck will get on Hwy.

If I drive dead on the 70 mph speed limit, with very slow acceleration and even slowing on up hills, I get 18 mpg at best. 3.5 Eco, 3.73 gear 4x4 crew cab.

Drove 200 miles at 60 mph on the interstate, thought I was going to get killed, still only got 20 mpg, a far cry from the 23 on my window sticker.

The more miles my truck gets on it the worse the mpg.
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So new owner of a 5.0, purchased with 14k miles on it. The first couple weeks I was avg 17 +/-. This week I am averging 12. Same fuel. WTF??? Running fine, no bad idle, no chugging, no smoke. I am an old guy, and drive like one.
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Originally Posted by jetjoe
Come on folks! Does anybody really believe Ford does this any different than any other brand? Do you really think they would use a truck that has been jacked up, modified to something they don't offer, use drivers that are anything other than normal law abiding and easy on the machinery to calculate these silly numbers? Do any of them advertise worst case mileage?

This number is published because some dumb *** politician thought it would be a good idea. Much like the "on time" performance of airlines. It is useless as no law can account for the thousands of variables involved in both. I believe Ford offers 45,000 different build combo's. You really think they checked every one? To me, no number on a window sticker is believable. The only number that counts is the last one on the contract. I surely hope nobody here actually thinks Ford or any other company actually tests every individual vehicle. The most important part in a car for mileage and longevity is the nut behind the wheel and they have no idea who or what that part may be.

"Company in Crisis"? Where did you come up with that?
Passed on from a post from kingofwylietx: Thank him/her for it. It works! Spend a few minutes doing this and you can stop complaining.My truck is within one or two tenths of MPG with every fill. If I let one of the trip meters tally longer without resetting, it gets even more accurate. DTE varies depending on what the conditions are between fills as it starts a new calculation with every reset. But its very close. I assume Ford allows this so dealers can shut up crying folks who love to bitch about most anything. After all, if they gave you none of this cute stuff what would you have to complain about? You Dodge, Toyota and GM lovers will need to look elsewhere, if they even allow this sort of thing.

Take your hand calculated MPG and divide it by the LOM display MPG....then multiply by 1000. This new number is what you will change the AFE Bias to.
Mine worked out to be 934 because my hand calculation was 18.3mpg and my LOM said 19.6mpg. Example: 18.3/19.6 = .9337xxxx. Multiply by 1000 gave me 934 (I rounded up) as the number to use.

on Lariat and up 8 inch Display:


Engine off.
1. Press and hold OK Button on the left side of the steering wheel and don't release it until the end.
2. Press push start Button only (Not Brake Pedal) to turn to Accessory Mode.
3. Once Message “Accessory Mode” appears.... press the Brake Pedal and turn the Engine on.
4. Engineering Test Mode appears instantly. Release OK button.
5. Scroll to AFE Bias and push OK to change it to the number you calculated. Note, it takes quite a few clicks to get to AFE Bias.
6. Once done, turn off truck and it will update your mpg, including your Trip 1 and Trip 2. You'll see it has changed the next time you start the truck.

Note....quite a few of us have been successful just holding down the OK button, starting the truck, then releasing the OK button once Engineering Mode pops up.

For 4.2 inch Display:
Engine off.
Press and hold OK Button on the left side of the steering Wheel.
Continue holding OK button and start the engine...don't let go of OK button until "Engineering Test Mode" appears.
Go through the menu pressing and releasing OK Button until you reach "AFE Bias 1000" appears.
Press and release Down. Using Left and Right change 1000 to the Number You calculated. Press OK.
To leave Engineering Mode after you are done, just turn the engine off.

For those who updated their speedo cluster and Sync 3 system the 4.2 in method works. Did for me anyway.



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Originally Posted by jetjoe
on Lariat and up 8 inch Display:

Engine off.
1. Press and hold OK Button on the left side of the steering wheel and don't release it until the end.
2. Press push start Button only (Not Brake Pedal) to turn to Accessory Mode.
3. Once Message “Accessory Mode” appears.... press the Brake Pedal and turn the Engine on.
4. Engineering Test Mode appears instantly. Release OK button.
5. Scroll to AFE Bias and push OK to change it to the number you calculated. Note, it takes quite a few clicks to get to AFE Bias.
6. Once done, turn off truck and it will update your mpg, including your Trip 1 and Trip 2. You'll see it has changed the next time you start the truck.

Note....quite a few of us have been successful just holding down the OK button, starting the truck, then releasing the OK button once Engineering Mode pops up.
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I've tried that countless times in my Lariat and never get to Engineering Mode. Not for this particular reason, but just because Engineering Mode is an option!
Irritating.....
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