payload
04-20-2015, 10:23 AM
#111
Senior Member
But they've also reduced the rear GAWR on those to 3300# (HD Payload with 3800# rear GAWR is not available on 145' SCab). And with 5th wheels, that's what will limit you. With a best case rear curb weight of 1910#, all you have available is 1390# on the rear axle, best case. Maybe 1200# more realistically. That's not a lot for a 10K 5th wheel + hitch.
04-20-2015, 10:25 AM
#112
Senior Member
I didn't come here to argue but if payload was 200 - 300lbs higher we would see 2100 - 2200lbs payload on 4x4 SCab and I haven't seen that yet in this thread (it's highly possible I just missed them).
That being said... I just hate the look of the 157in WB that you still need for HD payload (no offense to anyone, it's my opinion). So won't consider that.
I love my actual truck. An heavy duty truck with a 6300 RAWR and 10000GVWR isn't comparable to a light duty truck. It tows MUCH better, has WAY more power than my previous EB even with my 35in tires but it also rides WAY harder, doesn't fit in underground parkings and diesel is a pain in the winter. Also, I just like having a new truck every other year and a 2015 F150 was on the top on my list.
BTW, it's nice to see that this forum is still very active and still contains good information. Can't say the same about other forums I visited in the last months.
Cheers
That being said... I just hate the look of the 157in WB that you still need for HD payload (no offense to anyone, it's my opinion). So won't consider that.
I love my actual truck. An heavy duty truck with a 6300 RAWR and 10000GVWR isn't comparable to a light duty truck. It tows MUCH better, has WAY more power than my previous EB even with my 35in tires but it also rides WAY harder, doesn't fit in underground parkings and diesel is a pain in the winter. Also, I just like having a new truck every other year and a 2015 F150 was on the top on my list.
BTW, it's nice to see that this forum is still very active and still contains good information. Can't say the same about other forums I visited in the last months.
Cheers
And agree, really really wish they had the HD Payload in a SCab with 6.5' bed.
Nissan is coming out with the Titan XD with a Cummins 5L. Not as HD as the big Superduties. Will be looking at that, as well as the F150 HD Payload when the time comes. Meanwhile the current truck is still "truckin' along"
04-20-2015, 10:30 AM
#113
Senior Member
Ford spent a lot of engineering time making these things lighter-weight to improve mpg. They didn't do it to give us higher payloads.
04-20-2015, 10:38 AM
#114
Senior Member
Well, with the exception of the HD Payload trucks, these are basically designed as commuters and "grocery-getters", right? And mpg is king, so reducing the weight and strength of components, like the rear axle, springs, whatever, will improve the mpg. It's not just the Al body.
Ford spent a lot of engineering time making these things lighter-weight to improve mpg. They didn't do it to give us higher payloads.
Ford spent a lot of engineering time making these things lighter-weight to improve mpg. They didn't do it to give us higher payloads.
Cheers
Go Habs Go!!
04-20-2015, 10:42 AM
#115
Senior Member
04-20-2015, 10:46 AM
#116
Senior Member
04-20-2015, 10:51 AM
#117
whoa whoa whao - they reduced the RAWR on the 2015 trucks?? If I remember correct, it was 3800# for normal, 4050# for max tow, and 4800# for HD. Where did you guys see they reduced RAWR to below 3800#? Are you sure this is not for the 2.7tt, which has a smaller rear end?
04-20-2015, 11:04 AM
#118
Senior Member
whoa whoa whao - they reduced the RAWR on the 2015 trucks?? If I remember correct, it was 3800# for normal, 4050# for max tow, and 4800# for HD. Where did you guys see they reduced RAWR to below 3800#? Are you sure this is not for the 2.7tt, which has a smaller rear end?
Only looking at 145in WB 4x4 Scab or SCrew
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...tes_010815.pdf
Oh well... it really became a grocery getter like the Ram 1500 has always been.
Last edited by IronJoce; 04-20-2015 at 11:11 AM.
04-20-2015, 11:11 AM
#119
Just for reference (from source book): An older scab 4x4 max tow (such as brulaz) had 4050 rawr with 2383 weight in back leaving 1667 lbs. A 2015 has 3800# RAWR and weighs 1904 # (with 5.0) in the back leaving 1896#. If you get the 3.5tt it is still 1850# or so.
I realize this is best-case and not realistic, but the point was to compare to older max tows such as brulaz since RAWR was his bottleneck.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...tes_010815.pdf
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas..._techspecs.pdf
I realize this is best-case and not realistic, but the point was to compare to older max tows such as brulaz since RAWR was his bottleneck.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...tes_010815.pdf
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas..._techspecs.pdf
04-20-2015, 11:14 AM
#120
Senior Member
whoa whoa whao - they reduced the RAWR on the 2015 trucks?? If I remember correct, it was 3800# for normal, 4050# for max tow, and 4800# for HD. Where did you guys see they reduced RAWR to below 3800#? Are you sure this is not for the 2.7tt, which has a smaller rear end?
For the 145" SCabs, there's 3300# (NA V6, 2.7L EcoB) and 3800# (2.7L EcoB HD, 5L and 3.5L EcoB).
So, yes, the 3300# is not for the 5L or 3.5L EcoB.
Sorry about that. My Bad. I'll edit my original post.
So with the 3.5L EcoB SCab 4x4 with a best case rear Curb weight of 1949#, that leaves 1851# of room on the rear axle, best case.
Much better. But still tight IMHO for a fifth wheel, especially if you have something more than an XL model. HD payload with the 4800# rear GAWR would be better. There you would be be pushing the GVWR rather than the rear GAWR.