Official Regular Cab Thread, 2015 - 2020
#1621
Senior Member
The hubbub (pun intended) over the locking 4WD hubs finally clicked with me today. For the past few months I had been peering at the MSOS option on the Super Duty builder wondering why the heck anyone would want to have to jump out and turn the hubs by hand before using 4WD. With the help of a bit of historical context, it finally makes sense, and the SD's 4WD actually makes a lot of sense; getting out and turning the hubs is a given for the floor shifted MSOS but even on ESOF trucks there is a manual override that still involves manually turning the hubs. For the heavy duty trucks that logically carry the Built Tough legacy on their shoulders, I guess Ford would want the failsafe option.
Obviously, the 8.8IFS in the front aren't built with manual hubs in mind like the SD's SD60, and neither are the BW transfer cases. From a hypothetical perspective though, a floor shifted system would make more sense in the regular cabs. We don't have consoles to get in the way (aside from all the crazy talented chaps putting consoles in their RCs ), and I wouldn't mind hopping out. The extra bit of reliability would be nice, even though it's recommended to cycle the hubs a few times a month. In my short time with 4x4s, I haven't had a IWE vacuum system fail on me yet but on older F150s there seems to be no shortage of posts decrying the "garbage" "plastic" IWEs... doesn't exactly instill confidence. And the whole 4x4 issue has come into the spotlight again lately ever since owners discovered that it takes 4WD to tame a 600hp RCSB and provide best traction off the line. Boosted F-150 on YouTube, the honest bloke with the 10.6sec RCSB who blew his oil pump, usually switches back to 2H a few seconds after he launches. A number of races a day, and that’s a lot of 4WD shifting.
And driving with locked hubs makes the MSOS more of a MSOF that can be shifted into 4H at will, like ESOF. They say that driving with the hubs locked is going to cost you in fuel mileage, but could it really be that bad? I mean, with the recent emergence of 4A in so many trucks like the RAM, Lariat or higher for us, and Autotrac for GM, people like roll around town locked into 4A at all times when the weather isn't so great. With the [Autotrac] MP302x (and I'm assuming it's the same for the others), the front axle is engaged at all times, and it's the torque that is actively distributed on demand as conditions arise. That can't be great for MPGs - yet, it's not like the new JL Sahara and Canyon/Colorado (both Magna MP302x) are averaging 10MPG in 4A.
Or maybe this is just another sleep-deprived wild idea and I should just go to bed.
Obviously, the 8.8IFS in the front aren't built with manual hubs in mind like the SD's SD60, and neither are the BW transfer cases. From a hypothetical perspective though, a floor shifted system would make more sense in the regular cabs. We don't have consoles to get in the way (aside from all the crazy talented chaps putting consoles in their RCs ), and I wouldn't mind hopping out. The extra bit of reliability would be nice, even though it's recommended to cycle the hubs a few times a month. In my short time with 4x4s, I haven't had a IWE vacuum system fail on me yet but on older F150s there seems to be no shortage of posts decrying the "garbage" "plastic" IWEs... doesn't exactly instill confidence. And the whole 4x4 issue has come into the spotlight again lately ever since owners discovered that it takes 4WD to tame a 600hp RCSB and provide best traction off the line. Boosted F-150 on YouTube, the honest bloke with the 10.6sec RCSB who blew his oil pump, usually switches back to 2H a few seconds after he launches. A number of races a day, and that’s a lot of 4WD shifting.
And driving with locked hubs makes the MSOS more of a MSOF that can be shifted into 4H at will, like ESOF. They say that driving with the hubs locked is going to cost you in fuel mileage, but could it really be that bad? I mean, with the recent emergence of 4A in so many trucks like the RAM, Lariat or higher for us, and Autotrac for GM, people like roll around town locked into 4A at all times when the weather isn't so great. With the [Autotrac] MP302x (and I'm assuming it's the same for the others), the front axle is engaged at all times, and it's the torque that is actively distributed on demand as conditions arise. That can't be great for MPGs - yet, it's not like the new JL Sahara and Canyon/Colorado (both Magna MP302x) are averaging 10MPG in 4A.
Or maybe this is just another sleep-deprived wild idea and I should just go to bed.
Last edited by nubbins_; 12-09-2018 at 04:44 AM.
#1622
TOTM Sept. '18
iTrader: (1)
Wanted to let you guys & gals know that even if you don't have the center ceiling console like all of our RCs you can add lighted Lariat visors with Homelink. Took about an hour to install. Now I don't have to carry around that pesky garage door opener. Just order the parts for Lariat 502A Supercab without a Sunroof in the appropriate color. There is also a Motorcraft pigtail required. See this thread by @tmcolegr for more information.
Mike
Mike
#1623
Senior Member
Thx Mike!
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#1625
TOTM Sept. '18
iTrader: (1)
Nope...Just tap into the dome light power. The colors are the same that are shown in the linked thread as if you have the console. The visors for the 2018 up have LEDs for the lights, so the draw almost no current, about 40ma @ 12 volts.
You do have to drop the headliner in the front and peel the wire harness away that's glued to headliner to give you a little slack in the harness so you can tap into the wires. I soldered all my wires and covered with shrink tubing.
Mike
You do have to drop the headliner in the front and peel the wire harness away that's glued to headliner to give you a little slack in the harness so you can tap into the wires. I soldered all my wires and covered with shrink tubing.
Mike
Last edited by OCMike; 12-13-2018 at 11:16 AM.
#1626
Senior Member
5.0 with 3.31 Rear Axle
Hi All,
Looking for feed back from anyone that has an '18 with the 5.0 and 3.31 rear axle. I have an older model with the 3.55 axle but with the new transmissions I know there are differences.
This truck would be my daily driver and would see some harry homeowner use. I would probably go a little bit bigger with tires and plan on buying a small fishing boat in the future, total package weight would be about 2000 pounds.
Looking for feed back from anyone that has an '18 with the 5.0 and 3.31 rear axle. I have an older model with the 3.55 axle but with the new transmissions I know there are differences.
This truck would be my daily driver and would see some harry homeowner use. I would probably go a little bit bigger with tires and plan on buying a small fishing boat in the future, total package weight would be about 2000 pounds.
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#1628
Senior Member
3.73 for sure. The difference in gas doesn't seem to matter like it used to; highway rpms with the 5.0 3.73 paired to the new 10R80 are fantastic and definitely on the low side, around 1500-1700rpm.
And as far as I can tell, all of us here with 2018 RCSB 5.0 3.73 received the 9.75" rear end, with no exceptions.
And as far as I can tell, all of us here with 2018 RCSB 5.0 3.73 received the 9.75" rear end, with no exceptions.
Last edited by nubbins_; 12-14-2018 at 11:39 PM.