Non- Ethanol gas observation
08-27-2018, 08:00 AM
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That is just my opinion based on.... Ford stated in this article that the gen1 3.5 Eco gained 20 hp and 10 lb ft on premium fuel. > http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/03...down.html#more
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11-20-2018, 10:30 AM
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I wish I could find some pure data on ethanol and also ethanol in an ecoboost. In July I bought a 13 F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Prior, I had an 11 with the 5.0 and a 06 with the 5.4. I tracked the gas I used, the price, and the mileage. What I found in the V8's was that the best mileage came with E20 and E30. The other thing I found was that no matter what I ran, the ultimate cost between all the different types of gas (Premium with 92 oct, Premium with 93 oct and 10% ethanol, E10, E15, E20, E30, E50, and E85) was between $0.01-$0.02 per mile. Keeping that in mind, that meant E20 or E30 was the most cost effective. As far as performance, there was no noticeable difference in power or the way the truck ran. Ultimately, in my 11 with the 5.0, I ran E85 probable about 90% of the time. With that being said, I sold that truck with 190,000 miles on it and never had any issues with the truck.
Now that I have an ecoboost, I have been checking the mileage on the few fuels that are recommended. I don't know that I have run enough of each kind of fuel through to have any meaning conclusions. On a trip I took up north, I ran E15 up and got 18 mpg, on the way home, I ran premium (91 oct./no ethanol) and got 16 mpg. I did not notice any difference in the way the truck ran or responded. With my normal, daily driving, I am getting 14 mpg (+/- .5mpg) using E15, E10, E0 with octane ratings from 87 to 91. Last week, I filled up using E30 for the first time. My milage is the same, the cost was $0.20 cheaper, and the truck ran the same...maybe has a little more pep to it. I am now on my second tank.
I have talked to several mechanics and no one can give me an answer to the question of what will the ecoboost do if I ran E85. I am not sure that I want to experiment with that yet, but I am considering E50.
I use nothing but ethanol products in all of my small engines. Most of my equipment has some age to it. I have a 1967 John Deere 2510, a 1996 John Deere 325 mower (17hp Kawasaki engine), a crappy old push mower, John Deere 1032 snowblower, fairly new generator with a Briggs, chainsaw, and weed eater. I use E15 (89 Octane) in all of them with no issues. Gas lines, tanks, and carburetors are working perfectly. I have not had any issues with the spark plugs. I do not put any additives in and they all pop right off and run great. I have also run E30, E15, E10, and premium in my 2012 Harley Davidson Streetglide. I have had no issues with it either. I will say the best mileage I got was with a premium that was 93 octane and 10% ethanol. No issues with the fuel system or plugs. No backfires or poor performance.
I'm not telling you to use ethanol, I am simply telling you what I have found through my experiences. I wish I could find some raw data on all the different fuels and how they run in and affect each engine, and probably someone I could trust to explain the data. Until I read this thread, I had never heard of winter/summer blends of gas...something I am going to research.
I would love to hear any feedback on what I have put on here...as you can see, I am new to the forum, but I am hoping to find some good info.
Now that I have an ecoboost, I have been checking the mileage on the few fuels that are recommended. I don't know that I have run enough of each kind of fuel through to have any meaning conclusions. On a trip I took up north, I ran E15 up and got 18 mpg, on the way home, I ran premium (91 oct./no ethanol) and got 16 mpg. I did not notice any difference in the way the truck ran or responded. With my normal, daily driving, I am getting 14 mpg (+/- .5mpg) using E15, E10, E0 with octane ratings from 87 to 91. Last week, I filled up using E30 for the first time. My milage is the same, the cost was $0.20 cheaper, and the truck ran the same...maybe has a little more pep to it. I am now on my second tank.
I have talked to several mechanics and no one can give me an answer to the question of what will the ecoboost do if I ran E85. I am not sure that I want to experiment with that yet, but I am considering E50.
I use nothing but ethanol products in all of my small engines. Most of my equipment has some age to it. I have a 1967 John Deere 2510, a 1996 John Deere 325 mower (17hp Kawasaki engine), a crappy old push mower, John Deere 1032 snowblower, fairly new generator with a Briggs, chainsaw, and weed eater. I use E15 (89 Octane) in all of them with no issues. Gas lines, tanks, and carburetors are working perfectly. I have not had any issues with the spark plugs. I do not put any additives in and they all pop right off and run great. I have also run E30, E15, E10, and premium in my 2012 Harley Davidson Streetglide. I have had no issues with it either. I will say the best mileage I got was with a premium that was 93 octane and 10% ethanol. No issues with the fuel system or plugs. No backfires or poor performance.
I'm not telling you to use ethanol, I am simply telling you what I have found through my experiences. I wish I could find some raw data on all the different fuels and how they run in and affect each engine, and probably someone I could trust to explain the data. Until I read this thread, I had never heard of winter/summer blends of gas...something I am going to research.
I would love to hear any feedback on what I have put on here...as you can see, I am new to the forum, but I am hoping to find some good info.
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11-20-2018, 12:08 PM
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E15 is an allowed fuel in F150s going back to around 2013 - even in non flex fuel vehicles including the ecoboost. Don't believe me? It says so right in the owners manual and even on the fuel filler neck /door if you look for it. (E15 is not E85 - they are are different products entirely).
I've run it, and it does provide the octane it states, but cost wise I have not found it to be better than regular E10 in this market.
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11-20-2018, 12:16 PM
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11-20-2018, 12:43 PM
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Might want to talk with a small engine repair shop in your area and see how much work they have gotten from customers running ethanol in their small engines. It rots rubber that is not designed for it. I personally know a marine repair shop that has made a lot of money off of rebuilding Mercury outboards from the rubber coming apart and plugging the fuel system. I was actually on a boat he was testing when it died and we had to be pulled back to the dock. On the tear down, it was a plugged fuel system from deteriorated rubber tubing in the fuel system. Might check this out.
http://iqlearningsystems.com/ethanol...patibility.pdf
http://iqlearningsystems.com/ethanol...patibility.pdf
11-20-2018, 12:49 PM
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Might want to talk with a small engine repair shop in your area and see how much work they have gotten from customers running ethanol in their small engines. It rots rubber that is not designed for it. I personally know a marine repair shop that has made a lot of money off of rebuilding Mercury outboards from the rubber coming apart and plugging the fuel system. I was actually on a boat he was testing when it died and we had to be pulled back to the dock. On the tear down, it was a plugged fuel system from deteriorated rubber tubing in the fuel system. Might check this out.
http://iqlearningsystems.com/ethanol...patibility.pdf
http://iqlearningsystems.com/ethanol...patibility.pdf
11-20-2018, 04:17 PM
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A lot of small engine shops like to use ethanol as an excuse for anything that goes wrong with the fuel system. At this point, its not like ethanol isn't a known part of nearly all the fuel sold. The fact the manufacturers make things to a price point and timeframe for design is more the problem. They could spend a few cents more per unit and these would be non issues, but instead we buy cheap junk and expect it to last... Ok Rant off...
11-20-2018, 05:18 PM
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Another variable that some need to take into account. E10 is up to 10% ethanol. I have measured anywhere between 4 and 9% in my test. E85 has mostly been around 60%
11-20-2018, 05:26 PM
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I wish I could find some pure data on ethanol and also ethanol in an ecoboost. In July I bought a 13 F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Prior, I had an 11 with the 5.0 and a 06 with the 5.4. I tracked the gas I used, the price, and the mileage. What I found in the V8's was that the best mileage came with E20 and E30. The other thing I found was that no matter what I ran, the ultimate cost between all the different types of gas (Premium with 92 oct, Premium with 93 oct and 10% ethanol, E10, E15, E20, E30, E50, and E85) was between $0.01-$0.02 per mile. Keeping that in mind, that meant E20 or E30 was the most cost effective. As far as performance, there was no noticeable difference in power or the way the truck ran. Ultimately, in my 11 with the 5.0, I ran E85 probable about 90% of the time. With that being said, I sold that truck with 190,000 miles on it and never had any issues with the truck.
Now that I have an ecoboost, I have been checking the mileage on the few fuels that are recommended. I don't know that I have run enough of each kind of fuel through to have any meaning conclusions. On a trip I took up north, I ran E15 up and got 18 mpg, on the way home, I ran premium (91 oct./no ethanol) and got 16 mpg. I did not notice any difference in the way the truck ran or responded. With my normal, daily driving, I am getting 14 mpg (+/- .5mpg) using E15, E10, E0 with octane ratings from 87 to 91. Last week, I filled up using E30 for the first time. My milage is the same, the cost was $0.20 cheaper, and the truck ran the same...maybe has a little more pep to it. I am now on my second tank.
I have talked to several mechanics and no one can give me an answer to the question of what will the ecoboost do if I ran E85. I am not sure that I want to experiment with that yet, but I am considering E50.
I use nothing but ethanol products in all of my small engines. Most of my equipment has some age to it. I have a 1967 John Deere 2510, a 1996 John Deere 325 mower (17hp Kawasaki engine), a crappy old push mower, John Deere 1032 snowblower, fairly new generator with a Briggs, chainsaw, and weed eater. I use E15 (89 Octane) in all of them with no issues. Gas lines, tanks, and carburetors are working perfectly. I have not had any issues with the spark plugs. I do not put any additives in and they all pop right off and run great. I have also run E30, E15, E10, and premium in my 2012 Harley Davidson Streetglide. I have had no issues with it either. I will say the best mileage I got was with a premium that was 93 octane and 10% ethanol. No issues with the fuel system or plugs. No backfires or poor performance.
I'm not telling you to use ethanol, I am simply telling you what I have found through my experiences. I wish I could find some raw data on all the different fuels and how they run in and affect each engine, and probably someone I could trust to explain the data. Until I read this thread, I had never heard of winter/summer blends of gas...something I am going to research.
I would love to hear any feedback on what I have put on here...as you can see, I am new to the forum, but I am hoping to find some good info.
Now that I have an ecoboost, I have been checking the mileage on the few fuels that are recommended. I don't know that I have run enough of each kind of fuel through to have any meaning conclusions. On a trip I took up north, I ran E15 up and got 18 mpg, on the way home, I ran premium (91 oct./no ethanol) and got 16 mpg. I did not notice any difference in the way the truck ran or responded. With my normal, daily driving, I am getting 14 mpg (+/- .5mpg) using E15, E10, E0 with octane ratings from 87 to 91. Last week, I filled up using E30 for the first time. My milage is the same, the cost was $0.20 cheaper, and the truck ran the same...maybe has a little more pep to it. I am now on my second tank.
I have talked to several mechanics and no one can give me an answer to the question of what will the ecoboost do if I ran E85. I am not sure that I want to experiment with that yet, but I am considering E50.
I use nothing but ethanol products in all of my small engines. Most of my equipment has some age to it. I have a 1967 John Deere 2510, a 1996 John Deere 325 mower (17hp Kawasaki engine), a crappy old push mower, John Deere 1032 snowblower, fairly new generator with a Briggs, chainsaw, and weed eater. I use E15 (89 Octane) in all of them with no issues. Gas lines, tanks, and carburetors are working perfectly. I have not had any issues with the spark plugs. I do not put any additives in and they all pop right off and run great. I have also run E30, E15, E10, and premium in my 2012 Harley Davidson Streetglide. I have had no issues with it either. I will say the best mileage I got was with a premium that was 93 octane and 10% ethanol. No issues with the fuel system or plugs. No backfires or poor performance.
I'm not telling you to use ethanol, I am simply telling you what I have found through my experiences. I wish I could find some raw data on all the different fuels and how they run in and affect each engine, and probably someone I could trust to explain the data. Until I read this thread, I had never heard of winter/summer blends of gas...something I am going to research.
I would love to hear any feedback on what I have put on here...as you can see, I am new to the forum, but I am hoping to find some good info.
The injectors & HPFP do not have have a high enough flow rate to accomodate E85
Had a 2011 F150 with the GEN I 3.5L Engine & 4 other vehicles with the GEN I 3.5LECOBOOST
The performance is great with E30 which you can make by mixing E85 & 91 octane E10 in a ratio of about 1-2
That would be one gallon of E85 to 2 gallons 91 octane E10
Or purchase E30 in a blend pump
Worked great in all my GEN i ecoboost vehicles
Gen II eco boost engines have a dual injection system & a higher flow fuel HPFP
I also have never had any issues with anything where I have used ethanol in various mixes
The includes Lawn mowers, string trimmers, ATV's & all my vehicles