The New F150 May Get a Diesel
02-21-2014, 06:25 PM
#11
A huge part of the problem and cost with diesel is the EPA. It takes a more expensive oil and more refining to get it down to 15ppm sulfur content from the previous 500ppm. It also has less energy/gallon giving less power and less fuel economy. If I remember correctly the EPA was pushing to get it down to 7ppm. Which would be ludicrous. The cost would be out of control.
02-21-2014, 06:59 PM
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Like me, diesels are a day late and a dollar short. I predict all this rush to diesels now ain't gonna last. I think the smart truck makers will totally avoid this new found diesel love and spend their resources developing great gasoline engines.
Unless - unless, I say - EPA goes away.
Unless - unless, I say - EPA goes away.
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Derodeo (02-21-2014)
02-22-2014, 11:04 PM
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Yep! The extra initial cost, the extra fuel cost, and the extra maintenance all work against a small diesel. Most of the extra mileage rating is negated by the extra fuel cost. To me, the ecoboost makes way more sense.
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boosted150 (02-23-2014)
02-23-2014, 05:40 PM
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I'm surprised that when talking about $$$ and mpg differences that no one discusses the added cost of DEF. Not only that, but if you run the DEF system dry, you no longer have an operable vehicle. And... on top of that... even if you have DEF in the reservoir, if it's cold outside the stuff can freeze, and again you're dead in the water. You can keep your diesel... the DEF system killed it for me.
02-23-2014, 06:37 PM
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Huh? No longer have an operable vehicle? Really? No limp mode or anything? Hmmm...
You do realize that if you run out of oil, your vehicle will go into limp mode too. Is that a deal killer for you too? Not to mention, you fill the DEF less than you change the oil, and it cost a lot less.
Food for thought.
You do realize that if you run out of oil, your vehicle will go into limp mode too. Is that a deal killer for you too? Not to mention, you fill the DEF less than you change the oil, and it cost a lot less.
Food for thought.
02-23-2014, 07:01 PM
#16
V-8 Sounds Great
Huh? No longer have an operable vehicle? Really? No limp mode or anything? Hmmm...
You do realize that if you run out of oil, your vehicle will go into limp mode too. Is that a deal killer for you too? Not to mention, you fill the DEF less than you change the oil, and it cost a lot less.
Food for thought.
You do realize that if you run out of oil, your vehicle will go into limp mode too. Is that a deal killer for you too? Not to mention, you fill the DEF less than you change the oil, and it cost a lot less.
Food for thought.
Gas: 18mpg. $3.29/gal x 5,000 miles: $913.89
Diesel 23mpg $4.19/gal x 5,000 miles: $910.87. Add ~$25 for DEF= $935.87
All I'm saying is, do your homework before choosing something that you think will cost less in the long run. For me personally, I'd rather have a more stringent EGR/DPF system and get a little less MPG (like my old 2007 Duramax) than to now add DEF/SCR on top of that to get a little more MPG. To each his own. DEF to me is just one more unnecessary thing to complicate an already overly complicated system... and they pass that (and associated costs) onto the consumer.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a diesel, but the EPA has been making it progressively harder to enjoy driving a diesel nowadays.
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balreadysaid (02-23-2014)
02-23-2014, 07:47 PM
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DEF is $2-$7.49 per gallon depending on where you get it ( http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...2204&ppt=C0014 ) . Figuring a 5 gal tank that's another $10-37.45 every xxxx miles depending on drive style. Bigger diesels (cummins, duramax) are seeing 3,000 to 6,000 miles to run a tank dry depending on things like how much load on the engine, how frequent are the starts/stops, cold weather driving, hwy vs city driving etc.
Gas: 18mpg. $3.29/gal x 5,000 miles: $913.89
Diesel 23mpg $4.19/gal x 5,000 miles: $910.87. Add ~$25 for DEF= $935.87
All I'm saying is, do your homework before choosing something that you think will cost less in the long run. For me personally, I'd rather have a more stringent EGR/DPF system and get a little less MPG (like my old 2007 Duramax) than to now add DEF/SCR on top of that to get a little more MPG. To each his own. DEF to me is just one more unnecessary thing to complicate an already overly complicated system... and they pass that (and associated costs) onto the consumer.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a diesel, but the EPA has been making it progressively harder to enjoy driving a diesel nowadays.
Gas: 18mpg. $3.29/gal x 5,000 miles: $913.89
Diesel 23mpg $4.19/gal x 5,000 miles: $910.87. Add ~$25 for DEF= $935.87
All I'm saying is, do your homework before choosing something that you think will cost less in the long run. For me personally, I'd rather have a more stringent EGR/DPF system and get a little less MPG (like my old 2007 Duramax) than to now add DEF/SCR on top of that to get a little more MPG. To each his own. DEF to me is just one more unnecessary thing to complicate an already overly complicated system... and they pass that (and associated costs) onto the consumer.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a diesel, but the EPA has been making it progressively harder to enjoy driving a diesel nowadays.
you are dead on brother!
my family has two huge diesel shops 4 miles apart and both have been successful for decades. even more so since dealers cant really diagnose whats wrong now that there are so many sensors that run off of same reference voltage. soon as one thing reads wrong the whole system acts funny and is about impossible to catch unless you have years and years of experience reading a digital scope. ram is notorious for small electrical issues, also plugged egr. ford just made a bad decision with the 6.0. gm was the only one that went in the right direction. Isuzu builds the most reliable commercial diesel engines ive ever been around. the duramax has least amount of issues. too bad gm put the def tank hanging off the frame where it is vulnerable. I would rip it off in a week with how I use trucks. diesels are cool but as soon as the gov't gets involved everything goes to ****! whats scary is that there is a study that states gasoline direct injection pollutes more particulates than diesel and also needs a dpf just like current diesels.
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boosted150 (02-23-2014)
02-23-2014, 10:44 PM
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DEF is $2-$7.49 per gallon depending on where you get it ( http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...2204&ppt=C0014 ) . Figuring a 5 gal tank that's another $10-37.45 every xxxx miles depending on drive style. Bigger diesels (cummins, duramax) are seeing 3,000 to 6,000 miles to run a tank dry depending on things like how much load on the engine, how frequent are the starts/stops, cold weather driving, hwy vs city driving etc.
Gas: 18mpg. $3.29/gal x 5,000 miles: $913.89
Diesel 23mpg $4.19/gal x 5,000 miles: $910.87. Add ~$25 for DEF= $935.87
All I'm saying is, do your homework before choosing something that you think will cost less in the long run. For me personally, I'd rather have a more stringent EGR/DPF system and get a little less MPG (like my old 2007 Duramax) than to now add DEF/SCR on top of that to get a little more MPG. To each his own. DEF to me is just one more unnecessary thing to complicate an already overly complicated system... and they pass that (and associated costs) onto the consumer.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a diesel, but the EPA has been making it progressively harder to enjoy driving a diesel nowadays.