Invisible tuner
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mbell (06-09-2016)
06-09-2016, 07:44 AM
#42
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This started as can they detect via OBD? I highly dout ford is going to tear apart a motor to look at spray pattern. Even if they did, how can one determine that the factory motor or pcm didnt malfunction causing a different pattern, resulting in blown motor.
2nd of all there's a thousand things that can go wrong without a blown motor, so why would they tear down a good motor to see a pattern?
Other than key cycle and p1000 is there any other flag that goes up after tuning? Both can be caused by battery reset.
So really its ford says this, customer says this.. customers always right.. even when wrong
2nd of all there's a thousand things that can go wrong without a blown motor, so why would they tear down a good motor to see a pattern?
Other than key cycle and p1000 is there any other flag that goes up after tuning? Both can be caused by battery reset.
So really its ford says this, customer says this.. customers always right.. even when wrong
And when it comes to warranty...the customer is NOT always right. You are kidding yourself if you believe that.
That said, you are rolling the dice regardless of what ANYONE here says if you install a tuner or chip in your truck. If you are prepared to pay for an engine other driveline failure IF it's discovered then go ahead. If not then I would make sure they manufacturer of the tuner has a GOOD warranty/contract to provide that coverage if the claim is denied.
06-09-2016, 07:47 AM
#43
06-09-2016, 07:51 AM
#44
My knowledge of this comes from speaking to Ford engineers at a dealership where I worked several years ago. I'm afraid I am unable to give you the science behind how that happens. However, as I think back this was on the 6.0 and 6.4L Diesel. Perhaps there's a difference there.
(rolls eyes)
Look out guys, one of the porters/detailers thinks he's an engineer now.
06-09-2016, 08:29 AM
#45
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06-09-2016, 08:32 AM
#46
06-09-2016, 09:17 AM
#47
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Care to give us some proof or a link? So far the nay Sayers are just opinion based not facts.
06-09-2016, 09:24 AM
#48
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There is one tuner that alleges it is undetectable. That's a broad and powerful statement when other tuners are detectable. This tuner is also known to exaggerate their power results so it is fair to question the credibility of that statement. Others are explaining there are potentially ways to detect which add to concern with the initial broad and strong claim. Unless we have unfettered access to all proprietary ford tools, technology, equipment and trade secrets (which we do not) we will never be able to prove the original claim. Attacking folks who question am unprovable claim is not a logical way to approach imo.
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mbell (06-09-2016)
06-09-2016, 09:29 AM
#49
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To me it just makes sense to assume they CAN tell if one has been installed because if they know they will deny powertrain repairs as well as others. If you believe they can't then by all means get one. That still doesn't mean you won't have a problem AFTER the warranty expires.
As far as the Nay sayers being just opinion based not facts, isn't that what the claim from the manufacturer of this tuner is?
06-09-2016, 09:37 AM
#50
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I think you have your logic backwards.
There is one tuner that alleges it is undetectable. That's a broad and powerful statement when other tuners are detectable. This tuner is also known to exaggerate their power results so it is fair to question the credibility of that statement. Others are explaining there are potentially ways to detect which add to concern with the initial broad and strong claim. Unless we have unfettered access to all proprietary ford tools, technology, equipment and trade secrets (which we do not) we will never be able to prove the original claim. Attacking folks who question am unprovable claim is not a logical way to approach imo.
There is one tuner that alleges it is undetectable. That's a broad and powerful statement when other tuners are detectable. This tuner is also known to exaggerate their power results so it is fair to question the credibility of that statement. Others are explaining there are potentially ways to detect which add to concern with the initial broad and strong claim. Unless we have unfettered access to all proprietary ford tools, technology, equipment and trade secrets (which we do not) we will never be able to prove the original claim. Attacking folks who question am unprovable claim is not a logical way to approach imo.
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