Interesting article of GM's plans to dethrone Ford as Top Truck
08-09-2018, 12:46 PM
#1
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Interesting article of GM's plans to dethrone Ford as Top Truck
Hope this isn't a repost from elsewhere on the forum. Interesting take on what GM is planning for the redesign of the Silverado.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...cid=spartanntp
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...cid=spartanntp
08-09-2018, 01:29 PM
#3
"A Ford F-150 with a 3.5 liter turbo six cylinder and optional equipment that boosts the payload to about 3,230 pounds"
I want to see an F150 with a 3230 payload...
I want to see an F150 with a 3230 payload...
08-09-2018, 01:48 PM
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Despite contemporary thought that runs contrary........Capitalistic competition is a beautiful thing. Makes everyone up their game. A better Chevy truck makes a better Ford truck and vice-versa.
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08-09-2018, 04:21 PM
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I saw and read this Reuters article this morning. An interesting story, but a few things about it irritated me as it seems to be written by someone obviously not a truck ‘guru’ like we’d expect from a journalist with Car & Driver, Autoblog, etc. I couldn’t make sense of a few things Mr. White said, like:
“The new Silverado - GM’s top-selling vehicle in the United States - is a technology achievement of a different kind. It is taller and has a longer wheelbase than its beefy predecessor, which can help it more easily meet federal fuel efficiency rules.”
Now I’m not an aerodynamics engineer, but wouldn’t a taller vehicle get worse mpg, which does NOT help it more easily meet federal fuel efficiency rules? And how does a longer wheelbase translate into better mpg?
“A Ford F-150 with a 3.5 liter turbo six cylinder and optional equipment that boosts the payload to about 3,230 pounds is rated at 17 miles per gallon in the city, 21 on the highway and 19 combined, according to the government. An F-150 with a lighter payload rating of about 2,640 pounds is rated at 18 miles per gallon city, and 25 miles per gallon on the highway, according to the government. Chevrolet claims a payload of 2,190 pounds for a 2019 Silverado with a 5.3 liter engine and an eight-speed transmission.”
Looks like a real apples vs oranges comparison, and where does EPA 21 mpg highway for a 2018 3.5EB come from? The window sticker stuff I’ve seem for 4wd 3.5EB’s is 23 mpg highway. Oh and anybody out there in Ford-land with an F-150 that has a payload above 3000 lbs??? (please take a pic of your door sticker for me…). The ‘lighter payload’ F-150 is a 2wd with the 3.3. Trying to link payloads and mpg’s was a fail for the author.
Anyway, an informative read, but like a lot of stuff in print, don’t believe everything you read…
“The new Silverado - GM’s top-selling vehicle in the United States - is a technology achievement of a different kind. It is taller and has a longer wheelbase than its beefy predecessor, which can help it more easily meet federal fuel efficiency rules.”
Now I’m not an aerodynamics engineer, but wouldn’t a taller vehicle get worse mpg, which does NOT help it more easily meet federal fuel efficiency rules? And how does a longer wheelbase translate into better mpg?
“A Ford F-150 with a 3.5 liter turbo six cylinder and optional equipment that boosts the payload to about 3,230 pounds is rated at 17 miles per gallon in the city, 21 on the highway and 19 combined, according to the government. An F-150 with a lighter payload rating of about 2,640 pounds is rated at 18 miles per gallon city, and 25 miles per gallon on the highway, according to the government. Chevrolet claims a payload of 2,190 pounds for a 2019 Silverado with a 5.3 liter engine and an eight-speed transmission.”
Looks like a real apples vs oranges comparison, and where does EPA 21 mpg highway for a 2018 3.5EB come from? The window sticker stuff I’ve seem for 4wd 3.5EB’s is 23 mpg highway. Oh and anybody out there in Ford-land with an F-150 that has a payload above 3000 lbs??? (please take a pic of your door sticker for me…). The ‘lighter payload’ F-150 is a 2wd with the 3.3. Trying to link payloads and mpg’s was a fail for the author.
Anyway, an informative read, but like a lot of stuff in print, don’t believe everything you read…
08-09-2018, 07:27 PM
#6
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You’re thinking logically. Not like a government employee. Fleet fuel economy is a complex calculation where wheelbase, dimensions, etc are used and not EPA MPG. Bigger vehicles get more help. If you want to get real mad look how E85 vehicles influence fleet averages.
08-09-2018, 08:10 PM
#7
'18 XL reg cab long bed with hdpp and the 5.0 can get a 3270 payload, it's all over Ford's marketing brochures :-/
ETA https://www.ford.com/services/assets...-150&year=2018
ETA https://www.ford.com/services/assets...-150&year=2018
Last edited by tazeat; 08-09-2018 at 08:17 PM.
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08-09-2018, 08:22 PM
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maybe the extra height adds efficiency because it’s height acts as a sail with the wind... and longer wheelbase means heavier, which translates directly to momentum and inertia and all that stuff... 🤪
08-09-2018, 08:37 PM
#9
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Who ever wrote that article has no idea of what the he'' they are talking about. Chevy Bolt and Tesla compared to a 1500 or 150.
08-09-2018, 08:55 PM
#10
GM is going the cheap route with aluminum/steel construction. They also don't want to gut factories to put in aluminum specific assembly machinery like Ford did. This will save them big bucks but may cause a problem down the road. Mixing metals is usually not a good idea because it makes it prone to corrosion. Also how is this going to work when the GM trucks get some age on them and the thinner steel is rusting but it's attached to an aluminum panel. How do you fix that?