I might have figured out this whole raptor ride thing
04-16-2017, 11:46 AM
#1
I might have figured out this whole raptor ride thing
So I know I've started a few threads about this and I was just about to give up but I have one last thought. Wanted to run it by you guys and get your $.02 on it. Maybe it's dumb, maybe it's got potential. This would not be used off road, but just to give the amazing cloud like ride to a DD truck.
Rear: simply run a lighter leaf from a truck with a lighter pack. A guy with a 2015 platinum got one from a xl and said it was much smoother but the rear sagged an inch lower than stock. So run that out back with fox 2.0s and air bags, along with a block 1" taller than what comes with the BDS 4" lift kit. That will net me the same lift as the 4" kit but Ill have softer springs and air bags to compensate. Also I would continue to run my hellwig bar to maintain stability.
Front: Install the 4" BDS lift with the diff drop brackets. Then get a set of 6" longer fox 2.0s valved the same as those on the 09-14 raptor and replace the springs with an equivalent ratio as the ones on those year raptors. (IE: if those raptors run 450lb springs maybe I would run 415lb springs.) These springs will not lift the front of the truck the necessary 4" up front because of the lighter springs so the 2" longer length than the standard 4" is necessary to achieve the desired 4" lift up front. During downtravel my front suspension would only travel as far as factory suspension with a 2" spacer and while there would be more uptravel than stock, the lift kit would give more room between the tires and fenders to prevent rubbing. I might have to look into a front raptor swaybar or the hellwig front swaybar to help keep the truck stiff in turns.
Thoughts? I know I can get a midtravel kit for the same cost that would but much better but I want to run factory width and would like to maintain stock CV angles. Baja kits mid travel kit looks like it has pretty harsh CV angles, plus it is much wider than stock.
Rear: simply run a lighter leaf from a truck with a lighter pack. A guy with a 2015 platinum got one from a xl and said it was much smoother but the rear sagged an inch lower than stock. So run that out back with fox 2.0s and air bags, along with a block 1" taller than what comes with the BDS 4" lift kit. That will net me the same lift as the 4" kit but Ill have softer springs and air bags to compensate. Also I would continue to run my hellwig bar to maintain stability.
Front: Install the 4" BDS lift with the diff drop brackets. Then get a set of 6" longer fox 2.0s valved the same as those on the 09-14 raptor and replace the springs with an equivalent ratio as the ones on those year raptors. (IE: if those raptors run 450lb springs maybe I would run 415lb springs.) These springs will not lift the front of the truck the necessary 4" up front because of the lighter springs so the 2" longer length than the standard 4" is necessary to achieve the desired 4" lift up front. During downtravel my front suspension would only travel as far as factory suspension with a 2" spacer and while there would be more uptravel than stock, the lift kit would give more room between the tires and fenders to prevent rubbing. I might have to look into a front raptor swaybar or the hellwig front swaybar to help keep the truck stiff in turns.
Thoughts? I know I can get a midtravel kit for the same cost that would but much better but I want to run factory width and would like to maintain stock CV angles. Baja kits mid travel kit looks like it has pretty harsh CV angles, plus it is much wider than stock.
04-16-2017, 11:50 AM
#2
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So basically you want a lift that is nothing like the Raptor.
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AricsFX (04-16-2017)
04-16-2017, 12:46 PM
#3
Basically I want a truck that is stock width and has the plush ride of the raptor all around. Not the stiff ride of the fox 2.0s, halos, or icons. From previous discussions, the problem is in stock configuration the f150 does not have enough wheel travel to accept such soft springs without the concern of bottoming out. Ideally I'd like to get just a set of better shocks without lifting, but my understanding is it is not that simple.
04-16-2017, 01:07 PM
#4
Originally Posted by baxzilla
Basically I want a truck that is stock width and has the plush ride of the raptor all around. Not the stiff ride of the fox 2.0s, halos, or icons. From previous discussions, the problem is in stock configuration the f150 does not have enough wheel travel to accept such soft springs without the concern of bottoming out. Ideally I'd like to get just a set of better shocks without lifting, but my understanding is it is not that simple.
04-16-2017, 01:19 PM
#6
Sounds like a giant waste. Just get some fox or king 2.5s with the adjustable compression rate, and some good upper control arms. My king 2.5s and RPG uppers had a great ride. Just get a good midtravel kit without spindles and call it a day... get some deaver leaf springs, and some 2.5s in the rear and you'll be good.
Don't go for 2.0s. Doesn't ride any better than stock shocks.
Don't go for 2.0s. Doesn't ride any better than stock shocks.
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04-16-2017, 01:32 PM
#7
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Originally Posted by baxzilla
So I know I've started a few threads about this and I was just about to give up but I have one last thought. Wanted to run it by you guys and get your $.02 on it. Maybe it's dumb, maybe it's got potential. This would not be used off road, but just to give the amazing cloud like ride to a DD truck.
Rear: simply run a lighter leaf from a truck with a lighter pack. A guy with a 2015 platinum got one from a xl and said it was much smoother but the rear sagged an inch lower than stock. So run that out back with fox 2.0s and air bags, along with a block 1" taller than what comes with the BDS 4" lift kit. That will net me the same lift as the 4" kit but Ill have softer springs and air bags to compensate. Also I would continue to run my hellwig bar to maintain stability.
Front: Install the 4" BDS lift with the diff drop brackets. Then get a set of 6" longer fox 2.0s valved the same as those on the 09-14 raptor and replace the springs with an equivalent ratio as the ones on those year raptors. (IE: if those raptors run 450lb springs maybe I would run 415lb springs.) These springs will not lift the front of the truck the necessary 4" up front because of the lighter springs so the 2" longer length than the standard 4" is necessary to achieve the desired 4" lift up front. During downtravel my front suspension would only travel as far as factory suspension with a 2" spacer and while there would be more uptravel than stock, the lift kit would give more room between the tires and fenders to prevent rubbing. I might have to look into a front raptor swaybar or the hellwig front swaybar to help keep the truck stiff in turns.
Thoughts? I know I can get a midtravel kit for the same cost that would but much better but I want to run factory width and would like to maintain stock CV angles. Baja kits mid travel kit looks like it has pretty harsh CV angles, plus it is much wider than stock.
Rear: simply run a lighter leaf from a truck with a lighter pack. A guy with a 2015 platinum got one from a xl and said it was much smoother but the rear sagged an inch lower than stock. So run that out back with fox 2.0s and air bags, along with a block 1" taller than what comes with the BDS 4" lift kit. That will net me the same lift as the 4" kit but Ill have softer springs and air bags to compensate. Also I would continue to run my hellwig bar to maintain stability.
Front: Install the 4" BDS lift with the diff drop brackets. Then get a set of 6" longer fox 2.0s valved the same as those on the 09-14 raptor and replace the springs with an equivalent ratio as the ones on those year raptors. (IE: if those raptors run 450lb springs maybe I would run 415lb springs.) These springs will not lift the front of the truck the necessary 4" up front because of the lighter springs so the 2" longer length than the standard 4" is necessary to achieve the desired 4" lift up front. During downtravel my front suspension would only travel as far as factory suspension with a 2" spacer and while there would be more uptravel than stock, the lift kit would give more room between the tires and fenders to prevent rubbing. I might have to look into a front raptor swaybar or the hellwig front swaybar to help keep the truck stiff in turns.
Thoughts? I know I can get a midtravel kit for the same cost that would but much better but I want to run factory width and would like to maintain stock CV angles. Baja kits mid travel kit looks like it has pretty harsh CV angles, plus it is much wider than stock.
I wouldn't drop more than 10lbs less per corner than the 5.4 SCAB rate.
I think you'll be limited to whatever length spring is normally run with a 4" lift - I don't know if it's a stock length coilover with some sort of spacer or what but I know the travel won't increase.
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04-16-2017, 02:06 PM
#8
Sounds like a giant waste. Just get some fox or king 2.5s with the adjustable compression rate, and some good upper control arms. My king 2.5s and RPG uppers had a great ride. Just get a good midtravel kit without spindles and call it a day... get some deaver leaf springs, and some 2.5s in the rear and you'll be good.
Don't go for 2.0s. Doesn't ride any better than stock shocks.
Don't go for 2.0s. Doesn't ride any better than stock shocks.