How often do you tow? (3.5 Liter Ecoboost)
#21
I agree - no half ton should be towing a 10k lb fifth wheel trailer or 15k lb regular trailer - even a 10k lb TT would be pushing limits if not past. Just because your sticker shows 12,000 towing capacity (at most) doesn't mean you can tow any 12k lb trailer you want - there are many factors that go into actual max towing capacities.
Please, for the safety of my family stay away from from roads I'm on - it's not mine or my two young daughters fault you are being recklessly irresponsible.
Please, for the safety of my family stay away from from roads I'm on - it's not mine or my two young daughters fault you are being recklessly irresponsible.
Second 10k is an easy load for the F150 in both total weight and payload and is easily within its capabilities. Third Ford did a torture test on the first ecoboosts back in '11 and I will send you the link so it is very capable.
If you want a SD go buy one, I have had several and don't like them
The the OP, thanks for posting. Maybe you will get some useful posts other than those of the "weight police".
#22
Hello everyone,
I am a Ford engineer and I work on the 3.5 liter Ecoboost program. I am looking for information on how often F-150 owners tow with this engine. How much of the monthly amount of miles that accumulate on your truck is while towing. For example, do you use your truck to tow everyday for commercial use? On the weekends for camping trips? Every Friday to take your car to the track?
While towing how well does your truck perform? For example, what kind of mileage are you averaging, and at what average speed to do tend to cruise at?
In your experiences would you consider any of the towing with your truck at its limit? For example, towing a heavy load while traveling up a steep grade.
Thanks in advance for all feedback, this information is for very helpful in future development of new engines.
I am a Ford engineer and I work on the 3.5 liter Ecoboost program. I am looking for information on how often F-150 owners tow with this engine. How much of the monthly amount of miles that accumulate on your truck is while towing. For example, do you use your truck to tow everyday for commercial use? On the weekends for camping trips? Every Friday to take your car to the track?
While towing how well does your truck perform? For example, what kind of mileage are you averaging, and at what average speed to do tend to cruise at?
In your experiences would you consider any of the towing with your truck at its limit? For example, towing a heavy load while traveling up a steep grade.
Thanks in advance for all feedback, this information is for very helpful in future development of new engines.
I like the performance of the truck, I get anywhere from 8 to 12 mpg towing hand calculated. My biggest beef is the brakes, I wish they were better. Speeds are 45 to 65 mph. I wish there was a payload option somewhere between the f150 and the f250 for the EB engine. I would consider a 250 but I don't want diesel and the 6.2 seems a little long in the tooth.
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#24
For my horse farm I have four trailers and tow about 20% of the time. Usually I would only use my truck for work but this new F150 is fun to drive and gets near the mpg that my car does. I tow from 5k to 10k lbs and get around 12 towing which is very good. So far I am impressed with the truck and the brake controller works great. I put on farm plates and airbags to help with the towing.
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#25
I typically tow a small trailer about 15 times a year. Distances range from 35 mile round trip to close to 300 miles one way. The last two years these trips were with a 14 Sierra 1500 crew cab pulling a steel 7x12 with two Polaris Sportsman atvs. This year I traded in and got the F150, a 7x14 aluminum trailer, and traded one of the sportsman in on a RZR. With the Sierra I averaged about 15.5 mpg at 70mph on the highway. I expect the new set-up to be about the same.
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#26
Bronco Edition
I have a '16 King Ranch 6.5' crewcab with 3.5 EB and max tow (3.55 rear, the 3.73 in my '13 was superior). Power is acceptable but not as good as the '13 with the lower gears.
I tow about 10% of the time (1500 miles annual).
Like one earlier poster mentioned my number one complaint is heatsoak. The factory CAC (and transmission cooling for that matter) is definitely not up to the task under tough conditions. The light weight also makes for extra caution when crosswinds might be present.
I have a weight distributed bumper pull toyhauler that when loaded is 10k + during summer camping trips to the Idaho mountains I have to monitor temperatures closely. Steep grades at altitude on backcountry dirt roads tend to cause major heat issues as do long steep mountain grades on paved 2 lane highways.
The backcountry dirt roads often exceed 7-8 percent grade and are rough and washboarded causing you to shift into awd/4wd and reduce speeds greatly (sometimes 5-10 mph) out of necessity. The reduced airflow causes heat to build rapidly.
I believe an upgraded all aluminum CAC with electric fans and maybe an upgraded radiator as well would serve the truck well, maybe in a Heavy payload package.
As it stands I am looking at spending about $6k in upgrades to make the truck perfect for towing (CAC, CAI, finned transmission pan, transmission cooler, exhaust, 4.11 gear swap, finned diff cover, custom tow tune) and if I could find one an upgraded radiator. This in addition to the upgraded tires and airbags I already added. Please don't talk to me about needing a Super Duty, I traded in my '15 F250 powerstroke because I don't tow enough to justify a diesel as a DD the ride and the maintenance is too big of an issue.
As for mileage I only tow at 60-65 MPH on the freeway and of course much slower on the mountain roads. With my toyhauler at 10K I get about 9-10 on the freeway and 6-8 in the mountains. So the mileage is not good, but it takes fuel to make power.
I tow about 10% of the time (1500 miles annual).
Like one earlier poster mentioned my number one complaint is heatsoak. The factory CAC (and transmission cooling for that matter) is definitely not up to the task under tough conditions. The light weight also makes for extra caution when crosswinds might be present.
I have a weight distributed bumper pull toyhauler that when loaded is 10k + during summer camping trips to the Idaho mountains I have to monitor temperatures closely. Steep grades at altitude on backcountry dirt roads tend to cause major heat issues as do long steep mountain grades on paved 2 lane highways.
The backcountry dirt roads often exceed 7-8 percent grade and are rough and washboarded causing you to shift into awd/4wd and reduce speeds greatly (sometimes 5-10 mph) out of necessity. The reduced airflow causes heat to build rapidly.
I believe an upgraded all aluminum CAC with electric fans and maybe an upgraded radiator as well would serve the truck well, maybe in a Heavy payload package.
As it stands I am looking at spending about $6k in upgrades to make the truck perfect for towing (CAC, CAI, finned transmission pan, transmission cooler, exhaust, 4.11 gear swap, finned diff cover, custom tow tune) and if I could find one an upgraded radiator. This in addition to the upgraded tires and airbags I already added. Please don't talk to me about needing a Super Duty, I traded in my '15 F250 powerstroke because I don't tow enough to justify a diesel as a DD the ride and the maintenance is too big of an issue.
As for mileage I only tow at 60-65 MPH on the freeway and of course much slower on the mountain roads. With my toyhauler at 10K I get about 9-10 on the freeway and 6-8 in the mountains. So the mileage is not good, but it takes fuel to make power.
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#27
I tow quite often. 31 foot Airstream converted to a mobile boutique for my wife. Weight when we got it 7200. Weight now is probably 5700 or so after gutting and removing much of the weight and the only heavy thing we added was laminate flooring. We just made a trip from OH to GA and back. 2016 King Ranch, max tow package. Had the truck bed loaded down (300) or so lbs of decor also and this truck pulls this thing just fine. In the Spring, summer and fall months we tow this thing a lot.
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jbischer (04-05-2017)
#28
Senior Member/Vietnam Vet
I towed a 10K fifth wheel for 12-15,000 miles over 3 years with my 2011 Ecoboost Max Tow. I NEVER felt like I needed a bigger truck even during a couple of "oh, crap" hard braking situations. I loved the engine braking, although it didn't do much until it got down to 2nd gear. Like JohnDeereFarmer, I knew about the undersized CAC and installed a Wagner CAC just prior to an 8,000 mile trip out west and back. The truck performed great in the Rocky Mountains. Overall fuel mileage was about 10 mpg with speeds capped at 62-63 mph.
I traded the F150 at 64,000 miles because I think the driver side exhaust manifold had warped and mid-range power seemed reduced, but my dealer mis-diagnosed at 59,000 and replace the vacuum pump instead. Hopefully, the redesigned engine has fixed that problem. Were I to do it over, I would have gotten the 6.5' bed instead of the 5.75' bed, the HD Payload package (hard to find) and LT load range C tires to replace the P-rated. I would also get another Wagner CAC.
I traded the truck for an F350 because I hope for a heavier fiver next time, but I do not see any substantial handling or towing improvement. The 6.7L does not have to work as hard and gets 15-20% better towing mileage. Even braking doesn't seem better.
This fifth wheel safe towing site confirms my findings that a PROPERLY configured F150 can tow an appropriate fifth wheel. http://fifthwheelst.com/2015-half-ton-truck-towing.html
It might be helpful to note that the OP asked for experience, not opinions.
I traded the F150 at 64,000 miles because I think the driver side exhaust manifold had warped and mid-range power seemed reduced, but my dealer mis-diagnosed at 59,000 and replace the vacuum pump instead. Hopefully, the redesigned engine has fixed that problem. Were I to do it over, I would have gotten the 6.5' bed instead of the 5.75' bed, the HD Payload package (hard to find) and LT load range C tires to replace the P-rated. I would also get another Wagner CAC.
I traded the truck for an F350 because I hope for a heavier fiver next time, but I do not see any substantial handling or towing improvement. The 6.7L does not have to work as hard and gets 15-20% better towing mileage. Even braking doesn't seem better.
This fifth wheel safe towing site confirms my findings that a PROPERLY configured F150 can tow an appropriate fifth wheel. http://fifthwheelst.com/2015-half-ton-truck-towing.html
It might be helpful to note that the OP asked for experience, not opinions.
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#29
Senior Member/Vietnam Vet
I have a '16 King Ranch 6.5' crewcab with 3.5 EB and max tow (3.55 rear, the 3.73 in my '13 was superior). Power is acceptable but not as good as the '13 with the lower gears.
As it stands I am looking at spending about $6k in upgrades to make the truck perfect for towing (CAC, CAI, finned transmission pan, transmission cooler, exhaust, 4.11 gear swap, finned diff cover, custom tow tune) and if I could find one an upgraded radiator. This in addition to the upgraded tires and airbags I already added. Please don't talk to me about needing a Super Duty, I traded in my '15 F250 powerstroke because I don't tow enough to justify a diesel as a DD the ride and the maintenance is too big of an issue.
As it stands I am looking at spending about $6k in upgrades to make the truck perfect for towing (CAC, CAI, finned transmission pan, transmission cooler, exhaust, 4.11 gear swap, finned diff cover, custom tow tune) and if I could find one an upgraded radiator. This in addition to the upgraded tires and airbags I already added. Please don't talk to me about needing a Super Duty, I traded in my '15 F250 powerstroke because I don't tow enough to justify a diesel as a DD the ride and the maintenance is too big of an issue.
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etcbrown (04-10-2017)
#30
If you work for Ford, I think you should send out a survey to owners with a VIN that indicates that they actually own a 3.5l EB. Collecting data from an internet thread is not only almost impossible, but will give you a bucket of BS when you are done. At a minimum if you have going to poll here, setup a link and make owners enter a vin at a site that collects the data. For all you know a guy that only drives a Geo Metro is telling you he tows 51,000 pounds every weekend.
I've worked for Ford corporate. I know people in the 2.7l and 3.5l powertrain groups. I also know people who have come close to loosing their jobs (one did) trying to represent Ford in public social media spaces without authorization. I currently have Ford Engineers on my advisory committee. I don't have the time or inclination to check this out, but if this is an official way of collecting data that will actually be used by a Ford engineering group it is the most casual presentation I've ever seen.
Back to towing. Ford should be a leader in this segment. They install a (now required) cargo carrying capacity sticker on each truck. There is no reason on earth that they cannot also install a trailer towing capacity sticker with an otherwise unladen ball pull number (just like CCC). It should be right on the truck when I buy it. Put as many little "*" things on it as you want as long as they number printed applies directly to the truck at hand.
I've worked for Ford corporate. I know people in the 2.7l and 3.5l powertrain groups. I also know people who have come close to loosing their jobs (one did) trying to represent Ford in public social media spaces without authorization. I currently have Ford Engineers on my advisory committee. I don't have the time or inclination to check this out, but if this is an official way of collecting data that will actually be used by a Ford engineering group it is the most casual presentation I've ever seen.
Back to towing. Ford should be a leader in this segment. They install a (now required) cargo carrying capacity sticker on each truck. There is no reason on earth that they cannot also install a trailer towing capacity sticker with an otherwise unladen ball pull number (just like CCC). It should be right on the truck when I buy it. Put as many little "*" things on it as you want as long as they number printed applies directly to the truck at hand.