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BushMonster - is that an HDPP or is that a 2.7 with the HD payload package? I'm guessing the latter based on the wheels. The two are very different packages.
For my own clarity I just dug up the window sticker. But the wheels would throw you off, I didn't like the boring looking steel wheels with hd Kevlar tires so I picked up the 20's on craigslist brand new from someone who built a mall crawler right after he bought it.
It's a basic XL(to basic!) no power doors, windows, steering wheel controls )
But it does have the 3.5 eb, 7800 GVWR 3.73 axle with locker, big fuel tank, MTTP tow package with trailer brake and stability control and HDPP.
A landscape company ordered a fleet like this and took only 10 instead off the 12. A bit over kill for my needs but drives great with my average load, can handle the extra I throw at it and a blast to drive when empty. The no power options drive me nuts, I'm currently putting in a touchscreen stereo system so I can at least have Bluetooth and onscreen engine data/gauges. Will boost the turbos when warranty doesn't have such a grip on me lol.
Last edited by BushMonster; 02-01-2018 at 09:20 AM.
It rides pretty good, better when loaded down a bit. Similar to an F250 w/o the FX4 package. I use mine as my daily driver, kid/dog hauler, and hook up an 8000 lb trailer on occasion. Very capable truck and worth every dime. I've done the E rated tire/air bag/bilstein 5100 route on previous F150 to handle load, and the HDPP is hugely better. No comparison really.
Mike
I have been Googling for these comparisons for almost a year now! I tow a 35' travel trailer using a Hensley hitch and Roadmaster Active suspension. My F-150 does great in flat Florida. I am seriously considering a F-250, but really want a F-150 HDPP. Seems like the HDPP transforms these trucks into a F-200
Last edited by Smiggleburger; 02-02-2018 at 09:54 PM.
I have been Googling for these comparisons for almost a year now! I tow a 35' travel trailer using a Hensley hitch and Roadmaster Active suspension. My F-150 does great in flat Florida. I am seriously considering a F-250, but really want a F-150 HDPP. Seems like the HDPP transforms these trucks into a F-200
35' is pretty long. What's the dry weight and GVWR? If it's a heavy rig, you might run out of hitch first - the HDPP is rated at 1150 on the hitch with WDH, regardless of the payload and RAWR.
I'm sure the motor is plenty to tow that large a rig, but at under 6000 lbs, the truck might not have enough mass to be stable. My trailer is a 27', about 32' total. Personally, I think 30' and 9500 lbs might be as big as I'd want to go with the HDPP. Anything over that is 3/4 territory IMHO.
The dry weight of my 35' Bullet Premier is surprisingly only 6700 (according to the yellow sticker on the door jam) and 7500 going down the road. I travel very lite (my front pass through storage is just about empty). My hitch weight including the 180lb Hensley is about 1100. All tools and cargo are carefully loaded over the axles. My current F-150 is close to its limits with 1590 lbs of payload capacity, but handles the load well with the RAS. If I went with HDPP I should have about 2500lbs of payload with a 2018 2WD XLT SCREW.
I was under the impression that the HDPP receiver was rated at 1320 or close to that. If that's the case, then its the F-250 for the win.
For my own clarity I just dug up the window sticker. But the wheels would throw you off, I didn't like the boring looking steel wheels with hd Kevlar tires so I picked up the 20's on craigslist brand new from someone who built a mall crawler right after he bought it.
It's a basic XL(to basic!) no power doors, windows, steering wheel controls )
But it does have the 3.5 eb, 7800 GVWR 3.73 axle with locker, big fuel tank, MTTP tow package with trailer brake and stability control and HDPP.
A landscape company ordered a fleet like this and took only 10 instead off the 12. A bit over kill for my needs but drives great with my average load, can handle the extra I throw at it and a blast to drive when empty. The no power options drive me nuts, I'm currently putting in a touchscreen stereo system so I can at least have Bluetooth and onscreen engine data/gauges. Will boost the turbos when warranty doesn't have such a grip on me lol.
Off topic, but I noticed y’all in Canada get a few more miles of your warranty when I convert km to miles. 😏
My receiver sticker says 1220 / 12,200 WD. Some others have the 1320 / 13200 sticker. Don't know why I got the lighter sticker.
Just took a closer look at the Ford towing guide. It looks like 13,200 is for non-HDPP vehicles. The HDPP appears to be better suited for a small 5th wheel.
The dry weight of my 35' Bullet Premier is surprisingly only 6700 (according to the yellow sticker on the door jam) and 7500 going down the road. I travel very lite (my front pass through storage is just about empty). My hitch weight including the 180lb Hensley is about 1100. All tools and cargo are carefully loaded over the axles. My current F-150 is close to its limits with 1590 lbs of payload capacity, but handles the load well with the RAS. If I went with HDPP I should have about 2500lbs of payload with a 2018 2WD XLT SCREW.
I was under the impression that the HDPP receiver was rated at 1320 or close to that. If that's the case, then its the F-250 for the win.
If those numbers are good, I'd think you'd be fine with the HDPP. With the 6.5' bed it should tow that very well.
I agree an XLT should come in at 2500 lb payload, or even more if 2WD. My Lariat 4WD is 2406 payload and the receiver shows 1220 lb max tongue.
A top quality hitch will make the difference. Heard of the Hensley but never used one. I have a Husky Centerline 1200lb bar and it's very stable and smooth.
Just took a closer look at the Ford towing guide. It looks like 13,200 is for non-HDPP vehicles. The HDPP appears to be better suited for a small 5th wheel.
I was only referring to what the hitch stickers say as a reference for the tongue weight rating for conventional towing. The HDPPs are rated for mid-11K for conventional or 5th wheel towing. The receiver tongue weight rating is the weak link. Typically will hit that limit before GVWR or rear GAWR.
Usually the heavy duty package only provides a better rear axle with greater load capacity - which may be important. Check the specs for the standard and heavy duty versions and see what the difference is going to be. Adding overload springs or better tires are options but if the axle is the weakest link then these will not accomplish much.
I have found that SuperSprings work great to add 2,000 lbs. of load capacity without affecting the ride when the truck bed is empty. No air to add or let our and much cheaper to buy and install (takes me an hour on a truck). With air bags when one bag fails you are SOL until it can be repaired. Not a big deal for a truck you use on weekends to take the boat to the lake but not something I would want to chance with a work truck for my business.
02-01-2018, 09:12 AM
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