Fuel Additives
05-29-2017, 01:05 AM
#21
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A Ford Dealership is not Ford Motor Company and Ford Motor Company is not a Ford Dealership. FoMoCo is not the one performing the maintenance on your truck, the dealer is. They are not one and the same.
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Ricktwuhk (05-29-2017)
05-29-2017, 01:15 AM
#22
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Understood, but if you don't think the dealerships are not in bed with the vehicle manufacturers. Your fooling yourself. They are all inter-connected. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to your opinion. Lets see if anyone here has an opinion of this.
05-29-2017, 01:19 AM
#23
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For me:
Top tier gas only - no fuel additives. That doesn't mean they can't be of some help depending on the circumstances.
Top tier gas only - no fuel additives. That doesn't mean they can't be of some help depending on the circumstances.
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05-29-2017, 01:26 AM
#24
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I am not disagreeing with you, I was just trying to make the point that they are different. I'm sure at some levels they have certain agreements in place but I couldn't even begin to guess what those may be. As you suggested, someone may be able to provide additional input on this, maybe someone from a Ford Dealership.
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Liv'nbytheBungie74 (05-29-2017)
05-29-2017, 01:31 AM
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I am not disagreeing with you, I was just trying to make the point that they are different. I'm sure at some levels they have certain agreements in place but I couldn't even begin to guess what those may be. As you suggested, someone may be able to provide additional input on this, maybe someone from a Ford Dealership.
05-29-2017, 06:54 PM
#26
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Short answer: Generally speaking fuel cleaning additives do not work and in many cases can cause harm. I've pulled many plugs that were fouled due to additives as evident by residue buildup. This is especially true when people assume that if a little is good than a lot is better.
Long answer: Fuel mandates require that a certain amount of cleaning agent be present in all grades of gasoline. The "top tier" fuels meet a higher standard than what is mandated and therefore, again generally speaking, does a better job of keeping things clean. In my practice I have yet to see a fuel related problem other than contamination or such. In direct injection applications fuel (and it's cleaning agents) do not come in contact with the valves as the injectors spray directly into the compression chamber. It is this reason that concerns people with carbon buildup in the intake system. Again, fuel additives will not help the carbon as it will never contact that area. Theoretically the additives might help keep the injectors themselves clean but injector failure in anything is rare.
There are other types of cleaners designed to clean this direct inject caused carbon buildup but at this point most manufactures do not embrace them. Ecoboost turbo failure can and does happen either immediately or shortly after use!!! These cleaners are introduced into the vacuum stream or has a "fog" into the intake system. It sounds good in theory and if done correctly actually works in SOME cases. The problem is that this extra fuel can and does quickly overheat turbos and converters!!! I HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE CASES OF TURBO AND CATALYST DAMAGE VERY SHORTLY AFTER USE!!!!
Conclusion: I do not recommend any over-the-counter product ever be added to your fuel tank, or even worse engine oil. (One exception. Fuel stabilizer, but ONLY for your small engines.)
Long answer: Fuel mandates require that a certain amount of cleaning agent be present in all grades of gasoline. The "top tier" fuels meet a higher standard than what is mandated and therefore, again generally speaking, does a better job of keeping things clean. In my practice I have yet to see a fuel related problem other than contamination or such. In direct injection applications fuel (and it's cleaning agents) do not come in contact with the valves as the injectors spray directly into the compression chamber. It is this reason that concerns people with carbon buildup in the intake system. Again, fuel additives will not help the carbon as it will never contact that area. Theoretically the additives might help keep the injectors themselves clean but injector failure in anything is rare.
There are other types of cleaners designed to clean this direct inject caused carbon buildup but at this point most manufactures do not embrace them. Ecoboost turbo failure can and does happen either immediately or shortly after use!!! These cleaners are introduced into the vacuum stream or has a "fog" into the intake system. It sounds good in theory and if done correctly actually works in SOME cases. The problem is that this extra fuel can and does quickly overheat turbos and converters!!! I HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE CASES OF TURBO AND CATALYST DAMAGE VERY SHORTLY AFTER USE!!!!
Conclusion: I do not recommend any over-the-counter product ever be added to your fuel tank, or even worse engine oil. (One exception. Fuel stabilizer, but ONLY for your small engines.)
05-30-2017, 12:33 AM
#27
Senior Member
Short answer: Generally speaking fuel cleaning additives do not work and in many cases can cause harm. I've pulled many plugs that were fouled due to additives as evident by residue buildup. This is especially true when people assume that if a little is good than a lot is better.
Long answer: Fuel mandates require that a certain amount of cleaning agent be present in all grades of gasoline. The "top tier" fuels meet a higher standard than what is mandated and therefore, again generally speaking, does a better job of keeping things clean. In my practice I have yet to see a fuel related problem other than contamination or such. In direct injection applications fuel (and it's cleaning agents) do not come in contact with the valves as the injectors spray directly into the compression chamber. It is this reason that concerns people with carbon buildup in the intake system. Again, fuel additives will not help the carbon as it will never contact that area. Theoretically the additives might help keep the injectors themselves clean but injector failure in anything is rare.
There are other types of cleaners designed to clean this direct inject caused carbon buildup but at this point most manufactures do not embrace them. Ecoboost turbo failure can and does happen either immediately or shortly after use!!! These cleaners are introduced into the vacuum stream or has a "fog" into the intake system. It sounds good in theory and if done correctly actually works in SOME cases. The problem is that this extra fuel can and does quickly overheat turbos and converters!!! I HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE CASES OF TURBO AND CATALYST DAMAGE VERY SHORTLY AFTER USE!!!!
Conclusion: I do not recommend any over-the-counter product ever be added to your fuel tank, or even worse engine oil. (One exception. Fuel stabilizer, but ONLY for your small engines.)
Long answer: Fuel mandates require that a certain amount of cleaning agent be present in all grades of gasoline. The "top tier" fuels meet a higher standard than what is mandated and therefore, again generally speaking, does a better job of keeping things clean. In my practice I have yet to see a fuel related problem other than contamination or such. In direct injection applications fuel (and it's cleaning agents) do not come in contact with the valves as the injectors spray directly into the compression chamber. It is this reason that concerns people with carbon buildup in the intake system. Again, fuel additives will not help the carbon as it will never contact that area. Theoretically the additives might help keep the injectors themselves clean but injector failure in anything is rare.
There are other types of cleaners designed to clean this direct inject caused carbon buildup but at this point most manufactures do not embrace them. Ecoboost turbo failure can and does happen either immediately or shortly after use!!! These cleaners are introduced into the vacuum stream or has a "fog" into the intake system. It sounds good in theory and if done correctly actually works in SOME cases. The problem is that this extra fuel can and does quickly overheat turbos and converters!!! I HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE CASES OF TURBO AND CATALYST DAMAGE VERY SHORTLY AFTER USE!!!!
Conclusion: I do not recommend any over-the-counter product ever be added to your fuel tank, or even worse engine oil. (One exception. Fuel stabilizer, but ONLY for your small engines.)
By that reasoning mine shoulda gone BOOM quite a while ago, due to the fact I've been running meth full time for the last 25k, And I do run it hard and hot. Kinda like those Mike Rowe ecoboost torture videos.
05-30-2017, 10:12 PM
#30
I don't know what it is but anytime I run Shell whether it's 87 or 93 it gets the chirping sound. If I run Chevron or Exxon its quiet. I've been experimenting around with different gas stations between those 3 companies and all Shell stations makes my fuel pump chirp (or wherever it's coming from). No performance issues though. Just the noise. Strange....
