HeavyCal

I've never liked the looks of the Toyotas, I always thought they tried too hard to look like a "softened" image of what a truck ought to be. And call me biased but I could never take import trucks (the design, not place of manufacture) seriously.

German_truck

http://www.iihs.org/frontend/iihs/ra...3866&width=800

who needs legs?

interestingly Toyota managed to also add just "acceptable" roof strength to the design ... so tough....

D2Abbott

I'm not sure I've ever seen a muddy Raptor or TRD Pro. Seems for the price of these things I'd want to be careful with it! Not sure I would have the testicular makeup to do with it what it's capable of.

Caliraptor2lit

Whaaaaaaaat. That sux.

Caliraptor2lit

You're alright in my book, lol! This is probably what most people are thinking

darkrider

Independent wheel travel means nothing, unless you can use it all under full articulation... For most offroad vehicles, that's not the case.


https://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2...vel-index.html


Note, a stock F150 crew cab isn't that much worse than a Tundra TRD Pro, and is actually quite respectable. It's not always how much you're packing, but how you use it!

AricsFX

iTrader: (3)

TRD pro was developed for desert bombing, not trail riding with jeeps (even though I've done it in both the TRD 4runner and tundra) hence why they ran the TRDs and raptors in the Baja 1000. So articulation means nothing, especially on an IFS rig.

AricsFX

iTrader: (3)

I'd say a massive quantity of raptor owners beat the **** out of their trucks too. Just because you haven't seen them, doesn't mean they don't. These trucks aren't meant for kissing your cousin down at the mud bog lol

BabyboostFX4

So now we are comparing Jeeps to F150's? Of course a Jeep will destroy an F150 off road. I can find plenty of things that will absolutely own a Jeep off road too. The FX4 is just as good as the Z71 package or the TRD off road package, they're all pretty much the same when you start comparing them. The TRD Pro, while nice, doesn't have crawl control and other features like terrain settings like the Tacoma Pro has. I won't own an F150 without the FX4 package because I want the locker, and sure you can add it but most dealers don't order trucks like that.

D2Abbott

And a dented fender too. Now here's a play truck that knows how to play. Fun times I'm sure!