Fixed! Driveline vibration.
#11
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Originally Posted by l3rian
I don't see how lifting the front of a 2 wheel drive truck changes anything with the drive line other than a negligible shift to the center of gravity. Would probably be the equivalent of adding 50lbs of weight in the bed. But glad you fixed it.
#12
Ezekiel 25:17
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You can't change physics.
Last edited by UNBROKEN; 05-15-2017 at 08:57 AM.
#13
Ezekiel 25:17
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Not trying to be argumentative here but no, it doesn't. I don't care if the truck is sitting perfectly level on the ground or if it's sitting on its back bumper pointed to the sky, the driveline angles differences are simple math and those differences will be the same no matter what.
#14
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Originally Posted by UNBROKEN
Not trying to be argumentative here but no, it doesn't. I don't care if the truck is sitting perfectly level on the ground or if it's sitting on its back bumper pointed to the sky, the driveline angles differences are simple math and those differences will be the same no matter what.
It's about getting the angles of the u joints. Moving the carrier bearing ever so slightly up solved the issue and got the math so that my u joint working angles were now .2 degrees difference instead of .6 degrees.
Last edited by tmh23; 05-15-2017 at 09:54 AM.
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#16
Same issue maybe
Hey can you describe the vibration you get? I also have a 2wd f150 with a 2.5 inch leveling kit and my steering wheel starts to shake around 55 mph and stops around 70 and my floor and my seats vibrate 60-80 mph
#17
tmh23 What a wonderful post, thanks for your time & sharing
tmh23 Thanks - It's really nice that you took your valuable time to start a post after your job was done to share your drive-line alignment findings. I have done a drive line alignment on a past truck, its kinda of tricky getting it all to work. I don't have anything that needs aligning right now but this is certinally valuable information, you have found and graciously shared including some wonderful well explained YouTube drive line alignment videos.
Thanks very much
Thanks very much
#18
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Can you post a pic of your fix? I noticed a little bit of vibration the other day after I gunned it from a stop light when I reached around 78. My tires had been balanced and rotated a couple days prior so I was not expecting vibration. Only felt it around that speed and stopped vibrating as I slowed down. Thanks.
#19
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Unless you got a road force balance, about 75mph is where most vehicles with 32-33" tires will feel a slight force vibration.
#20
I thought I'd add this to a new thread after also posting it to another thread I started:
This is what I did to fix my vibration issue on my 2015 2WD Lariat SuperCab...
So I researched drivelines to get a better understanding of the theory then applied that knowledge to my own ghetto fix and I'm happy to report it fixed the issue. (Watch the homework video links at the end)
I only added a 2.5 level to the front of my 2WD which doesn't have a block in the back. This leveled the truck perfectly but what it also did was change the angle of the front drive shaft so that the working angles of the u joint at the very rear and the u joint that is on the carrier bearing end of the long second driveshaft were now slightly more out and not canceling the vibration. The fix was to move the carrier bearing mount about 2mm up to get the working angles of the two back u joints about a 1/2 degree closer and thus canceling more of the driveline vibration.
Here's where the ghetto comes in... there are clips with the nuts that clip on the frame mount and the carrier bearing mount then tightens to the bottom of the clips those having about 2mm between the frame mount and the actual carrier bearing mount. Crawl under and look at your carrier bearing and you'll see what I mean. I cut the clips but left the rounded position on that stops the nut from turning until it's snug. Now the carrier bearing moves up the 2mm and bolts tight to the frame mount with no clip in between. The guessing part is bolting the carrier bearing bracket centered so the drive lines are lined up as close as possible. I don't think this is too big a deal as the bearing has a bushing. I eyeballed it.
Took her for drive and the vibration is gone. Now all I feel is the AT tires and of course the ****ty rear shocks that always want to hop and shimmy...that's the next thing getting replaced.
Anyway hope this helps and the theory may apply to 4x4's two. Download an inclinometer app for your phone to measure some angles.
Homework!!! Watch these videos a couple times and it all makes perfect sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDmz0tibVGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1m-Fh5kiRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt69zYAcXME
This is what I did to fix my vibration issue on my 2015 2WD Lariat SuperCab...
So I researched drivelines to get a better understanding of the theory then applied that knowledge to my own ghetto fix and I'm happy to report it fixed the issue. (Watch the homework video links at the end)
I only added a 2.5 level to the front of my 2WD which doesn't have a block in the back. This leveled the truck perfectly but what it also did was change the angle of the front drive shaft so that the working angles of the u joint at the very rear and the u joint that is on the carrier bearing end of the long second driveshaft were now slightly more out and not canceling the vibration. The fix was to move the carrier bearing mount about 2mm up to get the working angles of the two back u joints about a 1/2 degree closer and thus canceling more of the driveline vibration.
Here's where the ghetto comes in... there are clips with the nuts that clip on the frame mount and the carrier bearing mount then tightens to the bottom of the clips those having about 2mm between the frame mount and the actual carrier bearing mount. Crawl under and look at your carrier bearing and you'll see what I mean. I cut the clips but left the rounded position on that stops the nut from turning until it's snug. Now the carrier bearing moves up the 2mm and bolts tight to the frame mount with no clip in between. The guessing part is bolting the carrier bearing bracket centered so the drive lines are lined up as close as possible. I don't think this is too big a deal as the bearing has a bushing. I eyeballed it.
Took her for drive and the vibration is gone. Now all I feel is the AT tires and of course the ****ty rear shocks that always want to hop and shimmy...that's the next thing getting replaced.
Anyway hope this helps and the theory may apply to 4x4's two. Download an inclinometer app for your phone to measure some angles.
Homework!!! Watch these videos a couple times and it all makes perfect sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDmz0tibVGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1m-Fh5kiRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt69zYAcXME
My first course of action was getting my tire guy to redo the balance. (it was off after some spirited off roading a day after the initial install). the balance was 0'd out. the PSI was set to 35 per my request and I still noticed the bouncing on my commute to work.
I then cross referenced some inflation tables I found on TireRack.com
The load capacity on the truck sticker indicates a max load of 2141lbs. Per the table, that would be 35 PSI- which my truck was already on and had that bounce.
Then I looked up the load capacity specific to my STOCK tires- 2403lbs.
My NEW TIRES are Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus 285/70R17 118/121R. which have max load ratings of 2910lbs and 3197 lbs max load respectively.
The PSI chart for the Pirelli's stated:
40psi - 2315lbs
45psi - 2510lbs
50psi - 2755lbs etc.
Stock tire load was 2403lbs (smooth ride), which falls under the 45 psi - 2510lbs mark.
I set my tire PSI to 45psi and my bounce issue was resolved.
If it gets bouncy again- i'm definitely coming back to this thread. but for now, increasing the PSI turned out to by my fix.