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SeatGuru 10-05-2015 11:23 AM

First long towing experience
 
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Well I had the chance to rent a camper for the weekend. It was a Puma 31KBHSS with dry weight of 7996 lbs. I had fresh tank full for around 400 lbs worth of extra weight. It came pre-loaded fm with plates and such so not sure total weight but maybe 9k.

So I pulled it in Tow/Haul mode the whole time. The goal was 55 mph and not much time spent over that speed. I noticed the transmission spent a lot of time in 4th and I spent a lot of time in boost (I am totally fine with that as I bought 3.5L ecoboost for a reason)

So how did the truck do?
-had enough power to tow
-with a cross wind I had to fight a lot (sway control made it worse)
-lots of 4th gear
-engine braking seemed good
-didn't want to up shift after engine braking
-brake controller worked awesome
-even with distribution hitch truck seemed to sag a lot
-just overall seemed soft in the rear
-7.8 mpg

So I don't think I would never tow anything that big again with this truck. It was a rental camper for a weekend and I knew it was at the max (for my preference) with this 1/2 ton. I am calling the BS card on the 12,000 lbs towing with this truck as honestly I think it would wear me out having to fight that big of a load with this truck.

Have I towed other things with this truck or my identical 2012? Yep I have and they do great but the length combined with weight on this setup seemed like too much.

I just wanted to give my opinion for others to see. If you have had better luck or worse luck please speak up. I am in SD where we have wind and hills.

jcat 10-05-2015 11:29 AM

Yeah, where's the guy who said he was getting 19mpg pulling 10k lbs all the time? I'd love to see him again.

It seems the weight reduction is a double edged sword for these trucks. Thankfully I don't tow hardly at all, but if I did I wouldn't want to be much over 7-8k, as the truck's rated for 9800 I think.

That 12k rating I think personally is under ideal conditions, closed flat road no wind and just at the limit of what the truck can do. Don't forget that's also rated with 2wd, stripper truck and none of the goodies like yours has.

GearheadGeek 10-05-2015 11:57 AM

As far as the rear sag goes, do you know what the tongue weight of that trailer (as loaded) was? There are lots of variables with most weight-distributing hitches, too... the capacity of the bars, angle of the hitch head, etc. LOTS of trailer sales and rental places don't do a very good job of setting up a hitch.

Tires make a big difference in how a truck feels with a trailer in the wind, on winding roads and/or with big trucks passing. Most of the tires any of the half-tons come with are focused a bit too much toward ride quality when using it like a car rather than capabilities toward the upper limit of hauling and/or towing.

All of that said, towing near a truck's limits is a lot of work, whether it's a SuperDuty towing some big 5th wheel or an F150 towing a big flat-nosed camper. My Airstream grosses a bit less than the dry weight of that trailer and I can tell the difference in my workload between a lightly-loaded trip on a calm day and heading out for boondocking with generator, grill and extra water in the bed of the truck and the trailer's fresh tank full on a gusty day, and an Airstream's behavior in windy conditions is WAY nicer than a square trailer.

RyanCZiegler 10-05-2015 12:16 PM

I have a 3.5Eb 3.55 SCab and I noticed much of what you said. I personally think the sag in the rear is ridiculous. I guess they make it that soft for comfort unloaded but if you try to do what the truck says it can do which is haul and tow it sags below the front which is unsafe. Makes steering and braking difficult and even shines your headlights higher because of the reversed take, potentially blinding on coming traffic. I'm looking into air bags or a Timbren kit for my rear to maintain the height while towing.

AbitaPro 10-05-2015 12:37 PM

Tim good tow report. For my comfort too many have had complaints towing with the 2015s, especially comparing to their previous F150s. I take all they tow great and tow bad reports with a grain of salt. But when you have Ford F-150 owners comparing to their 2010-2014s, and the older model towed better, more comfortably, felt more stable, got to be something there.

Not sure what happened with the new trucks, perhaps it's just the weight reduction, I don't know; but it seems they made them grocery getters. And for towing you need to now move up to F250s.

I think your right regarding the L & W combo, I also think the boxed surface areas didn't help. What you've found out is what some find out after they hooked up their camper for their first tow. All that stuff you read in the manuals is not quite the same on the road. Not saying that was the case with yours, but if you go by the book and get your proper trailer, tongue and vehicle loads correct, you still may find a heavier tow vehicle is necessary to feel safe and comfortable towing. After all when you finally reach your destination, you don't want to feel like you just put in 16 hours of hard labor.

I know we've towed some 31' offshore fishing boats with the previous years F150s, CCLB 5.0 4x4 and had easy 3-4 hour trips one way. They didn't have the surface area you had and we didn't have the terrain you faced.

Anyways good report and we'll see how far this thread goes. Hope y'all all had a good time?

kendive 10-05-2015 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by RyanCZiegler (Post 4358696)
I have a 3.5Eb 3.55 SCab and I noticed much of what you said. I personally think the sag in the rear is ridiculous. I guess they make it that soft for comfort unloaded but if you try to do what the truck says it can do which is haul and tow it sags below the front which is unsafe. Makes steering and braking difficult and even shines your headlights higher because of the reversed take, potentially blinding on coming traffic. I'm looking into air bags or a Timbren kit for my rear to maintain the height while towing.

Install airbags. I had them in my 14 and now in the 15 with the airlift wireless one system. Love them would not tow the camper without.

MattN03 10-05-2015 01:00 PM

So twakefield, if I understand you correctly, you've towed a similar length & wait camper with your 2012 and it towed it better? I wonder if it's also the truck's weight reduction?

Deerchaser 10-05-2015 01:26 PM

Lighter truck equals lighter springs rates?

SeatGuru 10-05-2015 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by MattN03
So twakefield, if I understand you correctly, you've towed a similar length & wait camper with your 2012 and it towed it better? I wonder if it's also the truck's weight reduction?

Honestly it is hard to say as I don't pull hard that often. I don't remember my 12 feeling so soft in the rear. The 15 does have the bigger 20" factory wheels...

Falcon359 10-05-2015 01:46 PM

I have to second that on towing my 2012 Eco handled my 29 foot a lot better also seems like gearing is different, the 2012 would ride in 6th gear the 2015 rides in 4th and 5th gear. The rear end gearing was 3.73 in the 2012 where the 2015 is 3.55 mileage stayed about the same 7.5 to 8.2 mpg more rear sag in the 2015 also same weight distributing hitch used for both both, and both have max towing

Dalingrin 10-05-2015 02:21 PM

A 9-10K lbs 31 foot camper is a lot for any 1/2 ton truck. When you're pushing a truck like that you really have to get the weight distribution hitch set up perfectly to expect it ride comfortably and set level.

It is a bit disconcerting to me to hear you say the rear end feels softer than previous generation F-150s. I have been borrowing my mother-in-law's 2014 GMC Sierra 1500. I really hope my 2016 F-150 is at least as solid as that.

kendive 10-05-2015 02:25 PM

Steel truck = Heavier Truck = Better towing experience.

Wheel base has a lot to do with it also.

This new Aluminum thing is not the best thing since sliced bread.






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KEVININCHICAGO 10-05-2015 02:42 PM

add a leaf and add a swaybar and the truck will work fine. The spring rate in the rear of these trucks is too soft for real work. You were probably riding the bump stops a lot. Adding a leaf does not change the ride that much at all but it makes a much better stable truck and it is maintenance free once installed. One leaf is usually all you need. Two is overkill sometimes. I have done both in the past.

hunter306 10-05-2015 02:53 PM

Good share, I've been shopping for a travel trailer for next season and we sat in some beautiful 28-30ft trailers, but I suspected that even though they come in a bit lighter than your report, they might be a bit much for the truck without some additional suspension work.

I definitely think 6000-7000 target weight is my max, and about 26ft, based on my reading so far. Even then that will be weight distributing of course... but likely on my stock suspension.

kendive 10-05-2015 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by KEVININCHICAGO (Post 4358886)
add a leaf and add a swaybar and the truck will work fine. The spring rate in the rear of these trucks is too soft for real work. You were probably riding the bump stops a lot. Adding a leaf does not change the ride that much at all but it makes a much better stable truck and it is maintenance free once installed. One leaf is usually all you need. Two is overkill sometimes. I have done both in the past.

I had to add an add-a-leaf on a small Nissan truck I had a long time ago they work great. I personally like the airbags now over that. As for the sway bar... I don't think we should have to add all these things to a new truck just to get it to tow ok. We could just add the 700 lbs back to the truck that they shaved off changing the body to aluminum. LOL

I pondered on the Hellwig sway bar system for the 15 F150. I just don't like the way it looks and hangs to low for my taste. My daughter inlaw has a Nissian Pro X4 Frontier and following them the other day you could see the rear sway bar and it was well above the read axle and looked good. Well thought out.

I towed several times with the 14 F150 Eco and did not add anything and it was a rock solid towing machine. I did after a while add the airbags just to help the rear end a little and level it out.



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BStrummin 10-05-2015 03:42 PM

Adding to the chorus in this thread as I have others: My 14 towed better than my 15, which feels softer and less secure. I haven't had a chance to fix it yet but my recent thought is that the hitch is higher than on the 14, so much so that I need to get a longer WDH shank. I've only measured two different trucks but from what I can tell it's ~2inches higher.

Hoping the sway bar will help, but I agree with an earlier comment regarding the WDH setup. If you are new to one or borrowing one it really helps to understand how it works and what it should look like when setup right. If the truck is sagging in the back (assuming the tongue weight isn't ridiculous) something is setup wrong.

The other important caveat with the tow ratings is that they don't include payload, and if I remember are based on one driver with nothing in the truck. There are lots of towing calculators out there but the reality is that the 11,300 (or whatever) rating is really ~9,000lbs when you actually do the math. And tongue weight varies between rigs and isn't always the 15% that is quoted.

KEVININCHICAGO 10-05-2015 03:59 PM

I hung on to my '06 FX4 when I got my '15. After driving the '15 for a long time now and I go back and drive my '06, my '06 feels like a F250. It is way more stable and it just has the add a leaf without any swaybar. I also think the 750 lbs lost to aluminum may not have been a good thing after all. I'll take the heavier truck just make it out of aluminum also .... '17 F250! it has the same cab.

kendive 10-05-2015 04:06 PM

If the Toyota Tundra got better gas mileage I would be all over it. They have always towed and ran great.

I am keeping the 15 for now since ford gave me a ESP plan. I will be a beta tester for a little while longer I guess.

RyanCZiegler 10-05-2015 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by KEVININCHICAGO (Post 4358886)
add a leaf and add a swaybar and the truck will work fine. The spring rate in the rear of these trucks is too soft for real work. You were probably riding the bump stops a lot. Adding a leaf does not change the ride that much at all but it makes a much better stable truck and it is maintenance free once installed. One leaf is usually all you need. Two is overkill sometimes. I have done both in the past.

Will adding a leaf change the rear ride height?

isthatahemi 10-05-2015 07:01 PM

Sounds like some folks should be opting for max payload. It also sounds like the OP was fighting some strong winds.

isthatahemi 10-05-2015 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by RyanCZiegler (Post 4359175)
Will adding a leaf change the rear ride height?


An overload spring, say from Hellwig only slightly changes the static height, but it engages more with load. I run a set all the time, and it gives that level ride at max load, which no one should really expect without some accessories anyhow.

SeatGuru 10-05-2015 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by isthatahemi
Sounds like some folks should be opting for max payload. It also sounds like the OP was fighting some strong winds.

To clarify I was having issues with a ton of sway on the way to campsite. On the way home (picture of MPG) it was calm with no wind. I refueled each way.

SeatGuru 10-05-2015 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by isthatahemi
An overload spring, say from Hellwig only slightly changes the static height, but it engages more with load. I run a set all the time, and it gives that level ride at max load, which no one should really expect without some accessories anyhow.

I bought a truck not a minivan! If I load it to the specs I expect that I will still have good steering and visibility. In my opinion when you are nose up and sagged back you lose steering and also visibility. I get it if you make the poor decision to overload your truck but that wasn't the case here.

I agree with an earlier post that these trucks are turning into grocery getters. Just overall this F150 seems like it is a step down from my 2012 and I hate saying that because my wife tried to convince me to keep the 12.

Yes if I was pulling a camper full time I would get a 250... But a truck, any TRUCK should be able to pull without a ton of sag!

Heck I had a distribution hitch and I literally had it has supportive as I could!

kendive 10-05-2015 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by twakefield (Post 4359234)
Just overall this F150 seems like it is a step down from my 2012

I agree with this statement 110%.

mgauts 10-05-2015 08:36 PM

In comparing to my 2004 screw 5.5 my 2015 6.5 with factory LT tires handles my trailers much better, my big test will be moose hunting in a few weeks with a modified rv/toy hauler with 3atvs and gear. Should be around 7000lbs altogether. I have noticed steering is slightly touchy(load or no load) but got used it quickly. I have pulled a 5000lbs boat with my fathers 2013 same config as my 2015 and it hauled very well. I dont think the 2015 is a step down, more like a different way of handling that you have to get used to. Sort of like going from a ford to say a dodge, the feeling is diffrent and at first it can either be better or worse but overtime it becomes your new normal.

Viper556 10-05-2015 08:49 PM

I sold my 2011 F-350 6.7L diesel for my 2015 F-150 3.5EB. I used to tow a lot more, hardly ever tow much anymore.

I love my new truck, but yeah...if I was towing a lot it would be another F-350 diesel. For pure towing the F-150 just doesn't hold a candle. I remember pulling an 8000lb trailer up the rockies on I-70 out of Denver and it never shifted out of 6th and held 70mph all day long. Only time it would down shift is if I needed to pass. It truely felt like hardly anything was behind me.

However, for a daily driver the F-350 was just not much fun.

Rabbit 10-05-2015 09:00 PM

I can't feel much difference in ride and stability from my 09 to my 15 towing about the same load!

Dalingrin 10-05-2015 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by twakefield (Post 4359234)
I bought a truck not a minivan! If I load it to the specs I expect that I will still have good steering and visibility. In my opinion when you are nose up and sagged back you lose steering and also visibility. I get it if you make the poor decision to overload your truck but that wasn't the case here.

I agree with an earlier post that these trucks are turning into grocery getters. Just overall this F150 seems like it is a step down from my 2012 and I hate saying that because my wife tried to convince me to keep the 12.

Yes if I was pulling a camper full time I would get a 250... But a truck, any TRUCK should be able to pull without a ton of sag!

Heck I had a distribution hitch and I literally had it has supportive as I could!

This seems a bit melodramatic to me. In the OP your picture doesn't show a ton of sag. To me, it looks almost perfectly level and you are nearly maxing out the payload.

I can't comment directly to how a 2015 F-150 compares to a 2014 F-150 or prior. However, judging from what I've seen the 2015 F-150 isn't just a grocery getter.

TFLTruck rates the 2.7L as they top choice for towing in the class. I have a hard time believing that the 2.7L beats out everything else in the class when towing 7500LBS but it at least shows the truck isn't just a grocery getter.

I personally wouldn't feel comfortable towing nearly 10K with a 1/2 ton no matter what the specs say. Only way I would feel even close to comfortable is if I had the HD payload package and had 18 rims with LT tires.

AbitaPro 10-05-2015 10:37 PM

TFLTRUCK rates the 2.7L as the top choice for towing in the class? Now that is really a stretch! A small displacement 6 cylinder gas engine with turbo chargers, the top choice for towing, really? Maybe the weekend warriors will buy that, but it's just more marketing to me.

Dalingrin 10-05-2015 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by AbitaPro (Post 4359582)
TFLTRUCK rates the 2.7L as the top choice for towing in the class? Now that is really a stretch! A small displacement 6 cylinder gas engine with turbo chargers, the top choice for towing, really? Maybe the weekend warriors will buy that, but it's just more marketing to me.

Like I said I don't buy that either. They were basing it on 7000lbs loads not max load for the class. They reasoned that it was the best driving with that kind of load.
My point was that saying an F-150 is only a grocery getter seems like an exaggeration.

SeatGuru 10-05-2015 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by Dalingrin
Like I said I don't buy that either. They were basing it on 7000lbs loads not max load for the class. They reasoned that it was the best driving with that kind of load.
My point was that saying an F-150 is only a grocery getter seems like an exaggeration.

I had already put the jack down in that picture to take the weight off. I realized I didn't get a good picture of the whole rig so I quick snapped one.

Yes I am stretching it saying that it is a grocery getter... But hey advertising is a joke anymore. I remember the days that if it said something in a commercial you could go recreate that exact situation.

I bought a half ton because I tow once and a while. I expect the truck to handle the load the rate it at without making me feel like I have to white knuckle drive.

I did this review because I wanted guys looking at campers to second guess themselves when looking at that big upgrade. I was lucky and my camper was rented. If I bought that camper (which ford says I can pull) I would be pissed!

Gerrard155 10-05-2015 11:50 PM

If i was towing 9k+ lbs regularly (particularly the bricks that are campers) i would buy a 3/4 ton. Seems to be a lot of folks that have forgotten that this is still a half ton truck. I guess i approach it different than most though.

AbitaPro 10-06-2015 12:31 AM

They are sensitized to forget! Commercials and such showing capabilities to tow 12,000lbs with 1/2 ton trucks, makes someone believe they can tow that easily, comfortably and safely. Those that tow commercially, understand and are not fooled by creative marketing. 6 tons of tow load requires more truck than a 1/2 ton!

Jason_Larsen 10-06-2015 12:55 AM

Im towing a 6800 LBS with water TT with my 2.7. Power is not a issue for me but I would like more stability. I only lost 100LB on the front axle when hooked up but it feels loose all the way around. Im wondering if its the tires. Im running 18's at 45PSI

Emonk 10-06-2015 02:00 AM


Originally Posted by twakefield (Post 4358639)
Well I had the chance to rent a camper for the weekend. It was a Puma 31KBHSS with dry weight of 7996 lbs.

I've been considering renting a camper of similar style, size, and weight. I have the 2015 4x4 Plat 3.5eco super crew 701a 5.5ft, so mine might have a hundred pounds on yours with the motorized running boards. I was wondering how it would tow, and was guessing along the lines of what you stated.

I own and pull 5 trailers, from jet ski to flat bed, but none are ever loaded over 3500 lbs (usually 1500-2500). Oddly, the boat trailer is the most noticeable while being towed. I am guessing this is because it is the heaviest one with leaf springs (others are torsion).

For the most part, I haven't noticed the truck ride or performance change much with a trailer on the back (this is at the weights I mentioned above). Unloaded I get 16-18 mpg, loaded I get 12-17. This is also in the midwest with winds and hills, but no mountains.

As for the mystery mpg guy, if there is a way to get 19 mpg while towing, I'd love to hear how! I never get that unless driving 55 mph unloaded. Then again, my truck has the engine noise at startup, so maybe my cams are out of time all the time (TSB repair hopefully in Nov). All I know is the truck drinks 87, 89, & 91 octane all the same, ethanol or not.

twakefield, did you notice any difference with ethanol vs straight petrol (if you had the chance to)?

edit: note, according to the trailer setups I have setup on my truck, I have driven with a trailer right at 30% of the miles on my truck. It seems most of my engine idle hours are hooking up or taking off a trailer.

Ricktwuhk 10-06-2015 07:09 AM

Cannot agree more that people need to do their research before buying either the truck or trailer. Payload is usually the first limit hit, and many don't properly weigh truck and trailer on CAT scales, then adjust wdh, then reweigh. Many go over capacity and drive unsafely. Some use undersized bars on their wdh. Towing forum has several experts that help people get educated.

Payload, without a max tow package or heavy-duty towing, is 1,200 - 1,500 for most. Subtract people and stuff loaded in truck and wdh and many are left with 900 or so pounds of payload but more than that of trailer tongue weight, which means they are over capacity.

mbell 10-06-2015 08:48 AM

Interesting all the problems towing. I tow a 33' travel trailer and have had no problems that I didn't experience towing with all my other trucks, including my f250s. Yes your fuel mileage is less, I'm sure everyone expects that. I towed it from Houston Tx to Manchester Tn and back. I averaged around 9.5 mpg, over 10 until I got to the hills of Tennessee.


In strong winds it's harder to tow, especially cross winds. When large vehicles pass their drafting tends to pull you towards them, happened with all my trucks.


As far as sagging, I would suggest waiting to fill holding tanks if possible until you get near your destination, I realize that's not always possible. I try to limit the weight in the bed of the truck as much as I can, although I did have ice chests and a generator during my trip.


All in all, it towed very well. I took my time cruising around 60 to 65 mph and I did try to stop every couple of hours. BTW...the seat massager, specifically the seat BOTTOM massager came in very handy!

jcat 10-06-2015 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by AbitaPro (Post 4359582)
TFLTRUCK rates the 2.7L as the top choice for towing in the class? Now that is really a stretch! A small displacement 6 cylinder gas engine with turbo chargers, the top choice for towing, really? Maybe the weekend warriors will buy that, but it's just more marketing to me.

Luckily enough for you, there's youtube video of their tests comparing the 2.7 to the 3.5, and they also have another video testing the 5.0.

I was impressed by how the 2.7 performed in that video, and was even more impressed by how the 2.7 ran when I drove one in comparison to the 5.0 I ultimately ended up with. Had the dealer had a 4x4 supercab race red 302a with a 2.7, I'd have bought it instead of my 5.0. But I don't constantly tow, so I can't say for sure.

AbitaPro 10-06-2015 10:25 AM

JCat - I saw all those videos, I thought they were funny and then stupid dangerous.

Is that how most people tow their trailers? Pedal to the floor, exceeding the speed limits, dodging other vehicles?!?! Overheated brakes!

I must have missed the test where they had to SLAM on their brakes, because afterwards only a pile of wrecked aluminum, their load and injured people would have been scattered all about, not to mention the other innocent drivers and their passengers. And then we could have seen how the jaws of life are tested.

mmatheson 10-06-2015 10:28 AM

Tires can have a huge effect with sway when towing. Factory tires, such as the Goodyears most of these trucks come with, have soft sidewalls for ride comfort. The soft sidewall allows the tread on the tire to move side to side slightly, which amplifies the swaying. A good 10 ply truck tire can make a world of difference when towing/hauling heavy loads however they make for a stiffer ride when not towing. Just my experience.

jcat 10-06-2015 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by AbitaPro (Post 4360006)
JCat - I saw all those videos, I thought they were funny and then stupid dangerous.

Is that how most people tow their trailers? Pedal to the floor, exceeding the speed limits, dodging other vehicles?!?! Overheated brakes!

I must have missed the test where they had to SLAM on their brakes, because afterwards only a pile of wrecked aluminum, their load and injured people would have been scattered all about, not to mention the other innocent drivers and their passengers. And then we could have seen how the jaws of life are tested.

I don't think they exceeded speed limits and weaved in and out of traffic...you must have seen another video.

Also, not to be a spoiler, but I've got some experience on the 'jaws'. Aluminum's easier than steel. ;)

Deerchaser 10-06-2015 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by mmatheson (Post 4360007)
Tires can have a huge effect with sway when towing. Factory tires, such as the Goodyears most of these trucks come with, have soft sidewalls for ride comfort. The soft sidewall allows the tread on the tire to move side to side slightly, which amplifies the swaying. A good 10 ply truck tire can make a world of difference when towing/hauling heavy loads however they make for a stiffer ride when not towing. Just my experience.

Yep, factory tires are marshmallows.

AbitaPro 10-06-2015 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by mmatheson (Post 4360007)
Tires can have a huge effect with sway when towing. Factory tires, such as the Goodyears most of these trucks come with, have soft sidewalls for ride comfort. The soft sidewall allows the tread on the tire to move side to side slightly, which amplifies the swaying. A good 10 ply truck tire can make a world of difference when towing/hauling heavy loads however they make for a stiffer ride when not towing. Just my experience.

I agree. Some years ago I had the Firestone tires on Ford Super Duty, the ones that failed and came apart. Firestone had developed the tire for The Super Duty, with extra heavy and stiff side walls. Long story short, I had one fail, right rear, but the truck handled well, was at 65mph and gradually slowed down. Then reading about tires, E rated they're were some comments about Michelin having soft side walls, I didn't understand, it was E rated, so shouldn't all E rated tires be the same? So I went to Goodyear and had them replace all with their E rated tires. Looked fine and left, but on the highway home, my heavy Super Duty felt and drove as if it were drunk! Kept going a bit, then turned around and went back to Goodyear, they said no problem and aired up to 80PSI. Left and tested same at 80psi, then returned and had them put back old Firestone tires and my spare. As it turned out, I had to go right back to Firestone and bought 4 new, same xploding tires, as they were the only ones with that extra stiff sidewall and that made a huge difference driving. And yes they Firestone did resolve their tire failure issue, they paid for my 1 tire and rear quarter panel bed damages and Ford and Firestone had a divorce! Ok I kept the story short.

isthatahemi 10-08-2015 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by twakefield (Post 4359234)
I bought a truck not a minivan! If I load it to the specs I expect that I will still have good steering and visibility. In my opinion when you are nose up and sagged back you lose steering and also visibility. I get it if you make the poor decision to overload your truck but that wasn't the case here.

I agree with an earlier post that these trucks are turning into grocery getters. Just overall this F150 seems like it is a step down from my 2012 and I hate saying that because my wife tried to convince me to keep the 12.

Yes if I was pulling a camper full time I would get a 250... But a truck, any TRUCK should be able to pull without a ton of sag!

Heck I had a distribution hitch and I literally had it has supportive as I could!

Well if you find a fix for your negativity, the sag won't bother you as much. Geez.

Socal147 10-08-2015 06:41 PM

Casita 17' Liberty
 
From Apple Valley Ca to Twin Lakes, Bridgeport Ca
And return trip
Pulled easy but I am thinking 2800 pounds maximum. Did not require tow mode and transmission stayed cool even up steep long grades...
Getting s bigger trailer ��
Tires are very important for towing.
Sag can be fixed with an air lift system.
Picture was of truck life MPG. Removed as some may have wanted tow MPG

SeatGuru 10-08-2015 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by isthatahemi
Well if you find a fix for your negativity, the sag won't bother you as much. Geez.

Holy smokes seriously this was meant to be an objective post. I have gone out of my way to speak highly of this truck. To the point of fixing the the seat issue on my own time... Also I took the time to be interviewed by Ford Social and the positive comments I made with be published soon.

When you do a quick review like this my goal is to paint the picture as it is not fake numbers and make others think it is worse or better than it is. I am an engineer and I deal with real expectations not fake ones.

Rant over read my other posts and see how negative I am about the truck. Look how many thanks I have gotten...

kendive 10-08-2015 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by twakefield (Post 4363629)
Holy smokes seriously this was meant to be an objective post. I have gone out of my way to speak highly of this truck. To the point of fixing the the seat issue on my own time... Also I took the time to be interviewed by Ford Social and the positive comments I made with be published soon.

When you do a quick review like this my goal is to paint the picture as it is not fake numbers and make others think it is worse or better than it is. I am an engineer and I deal with real expectations not fake ones.

Rant over read my other posts and see how negative I am about the truck. Look how many thanks I have gotten...

Tim this is just the internet... Don't let them get to ya.

I was probably the most negative about my 2015 F150 so I think I have you beat there. I am alot more positive about the truck now since the few visits to the dealer and went ahead and got my tires and lift put on.

AbitaPro 10-08-2015 08:39 PM

Tim don't worry about the internet folks, factual reviews, good or bad, are appreciated by most!

Bullitt76 10-08-2015 09:57 PM

Good review that I echo for the most part.. Is the transmission programming that much different even in tow mode.. Many people used to say they towed with an EB in sixth gear with little or no gear hunting and with big loads.. The OP said he was in 4th most of the time.. Wtf? Mines a 5.0 so I don't tow effortlessly, but in my 2012 it never towed in 4th, but this 2015 does. Not necessarily a bad thing other than the mileage.. Even then, the 5.0 is relatively effortless if you don't focus on it being in with 4th or 5th gear as opposed to 6th... Still quiet and smooth...

RyanCZiegler 10-08-2015 10:06 PM

I'm not sure I love the engine brake idea of tow mode... Is that good for the engine long term?

bigandtall 10-08-2015 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by isthatahemi (Post 4363592)
Well if you find a fix for your negativity, the sag won't bother you as much. Geez.

C-o-p-r-o-p-h-a-g-o-u-s fop

Wannafbody 10-09-2015 12:16 AM

I have a 145 wheelbase 13 and always felt a bit of wiggle when towing. I've talked to owners of 157 wheelbase F150's and they swear the towing is rock solid. I added the Helwig rear swaybar and that makes a nice improvement. Definitely worth a try.

wesjs 10-17-2015 04:46 PM

I tow a 21.5', 7000 lb (actual full weight) solid fiberglass Bigfoot TT, I traded a '06 Tundra with 128" wheelbase for my '15 Screw Lariat with 145" wheelbase, 5.0 with 3.73. Incidentally, the F150 weighs only about 400 lbs. more than my '06 Tundra, 5100, vs 5500 lbs. (measure at the scale)
I do lots of mountain driving and this new truck is a very good tow vehicle for me, I have a WD hitch and I use sport mode (not tow/haul) and lock out 6th gear except for flat road freeway driving. I average 12-14 mpg towing at mostly 60-65mph. I find the tow/haul mode too aggressive and holds the gears too long, but sport mode seems about right. The '06 Tundra could tow the TT but it got shoved around a lot by semi truck drafts and cross winds.
The F150 makes it very relaxed at all times, but the 385 horse 5.0 liter doesn't tow the trailer any better than the 271 horse 4.7 V8 with a 5 speed tranny, and I find the tow mileage a bit lower than the Tundra averaged, but I did tend to drive 5-10mph slower with the Tundra to be safer.
I do really have to say the F150 integrated brake controller is the best I've ever used, totally seamless operation, and automatic setup, and I had a Teconsha P3 controller in the Tundra.
Overall the F150 has been a good upgrade for my Trailer but I wouldn't want to tow anything too much bigger or heavier, my truck is rated for over 12,000lbs Max GVW but I think realistically it should be 9-10k lbs. for real world use.

Ricktwuhk 10-17-2015 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by wesjs (Post 4375746)
Overall the F150 has been a good upgrade for my Trailer but I wouldn't want to tow anything too much bigger or heavier, my truck is rated for over 12,000lbs Max GVW but I think realistically it should be 9-10k lbs. for real world use.

Your're likely at or close to payload with that trailer. You're not towing anything vlose to a 9 or 10,000 pound trailer.

1cobra 10-17-2015 05:48 PM

2015 F150 4x4 6.5' box
 
Hi,
I just came from a 2012 f150 5.0 4x4 5.5 box to the new 5.0 with 6.5 box.
NO COMPARISION.... this has no sway and only sags 2" in rear, even with my 500 lb Kawasaki in the box towing a 26' trailer about 7500 lbs. This will tow in 5th at 60 mph and get up mountains at 3500 rpm in 3rd no problem. As for mileage, I was getting 9.0 with the 2012 and just got 10.7 mpg with the 2015.
I also have the 3.73 towing gears and big tow mirrors, they are great!
Perry

Ricktwuhk 10-17-2015 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by 1cobra (Post 4375810)
Hi,
I just came from a 2012 f150 5.0 4x4 5.5 box to the new 5.0 with 6.5 box.
NO COMPARISION.... this has no sway and only sags 2" in rear, even with my 500 lb Kawasaki in the box towing a 26' trailer about 7500 lbs. This will tow in 5th at 60 mph and get up mountains at 3500 rpm in 3rd no problem. As for mileage, I was getting 9.0 with the 2012 and just got 10.7 mpg with the 2015.
I also have the 3.73 towing gears and big tow mirrors, they are great!
Perry

What's your payload sticker say?

1cobra 10-18-2015 12:26 AM

The tow rating is 10,600 lbs and payload is 3300 lbs.
Perry

Ricktwuhk 10-18-2015 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by 1cobra (Post 4376270)
The tow rating is 10,600 lbs and payload is 3300 lbs.
Perry

Post a photo of your Payload sticker. Nowhere near 3,300 with an F-150.

todd92 10-18-2015 08:42 AM

OK, I'm not a towing expert, but I towed my 8000 lb toy hauler many miles with my 2004 Titan and now with the 2015 F-150. I can feel no difference in stability or sway or anything else, both tow their max tow rating just fine. No add-a-leafs or airbags or other 'help'.

For the OP, the WD hitch was set-up wrong if there was that much rear sag. I would have fixed that before I towed. I think that was most of your issue. The other would have been to air up the tires to the max inflation pressure, since you had to be at or over your GVWR.

1cobra 10-18-2015 10:55 AM

http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...0_r1_Jan12.pdf
this is the factory tow ratings, I have the heavy duty tow package;18" forged wheels , 3.73 gears, heavy duty rad, tow mirrors, 4x4 5.0 supercrew, 157" WB, it tows 10.600 lbs.
Perry.

Dalingrin 10-18-2015 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by 1cobra (Post 4376511)
http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...0_r1_Jan12.pdf
this is the factory tow ratings, I have the heavy duty tow package;18" forged wheels , 3.73 gears, heavy duty rad, tow mirrors, 4x4 5.0 supercrew, 157" WB, it tows 10.600 lbs.
Perry.

You've got to check the yellow sticker inside the driver's door to know your real payload max. That table you linkes doesn't take into account optional equipment, gas, water, etc.

Jason_Larsen 10-18-2015 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by 1cobra (Post 4376511)
http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...0_r1_Jan12.pdf
this is the factory tow ratings, I have the heavy duty tow package;18" forged wheels , 3.73 gears, heavy duty rad, tow mirrors, 4x4 5.0 supercrew, 157" WB, it tows 10.600 lbs.
Perry.

the important payload number is on the sticker on your door jam.

Ricktwuhk 10-18-2015 02:21 PM

So many tow overcapacity and underinformed...

Diggitydog 10-18-2015 04:14 PM

I had a 2013 F150 and now the 2015. I have to agree that the 2013 did seem a little more solid towing than my 2015. I have since added an airbag setup and towed after. What a difference. Huge! Too bad that it needs more support out of the factory but I tend to agree that the 2015 isn't as good as the 2010-2014 for towing factory setup.

All good with the airbags now though.

tsigwing 10-18-2015 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Ricktwuhk (Post 4376672)
So many tow overcapacity and underinformed...


Yep, and the trucks handle it just fine.

Mark F150 10-18-2015 06:11 PM

I thought I would add my tow experience.

I just completed an 8,000 mile trip from Florida to Las Vegas (have to see the grand babies) then up to various parts of Colorado, back across the US and then back to Florida. 6,000 miles of the trip was pulling my 27.5 foot Funfinder toy hauler which weighed in at just under 8,000 fully loaded. I used a weight distribution hitch and have 2 friction sway bars attached.

My overall towing milage was just below 10 mpg. High winds really hurt the milage. With my WDH set up I had no sag at all. The truck lowered about 1 1/2 inches front and back. I tow at 60-63 mph. I climbed many of the Colorado passes at 60 and rarely dropped below 4th gear. On a couple of the really hard climbs, like heading to Breckenridge it dropped into 3rd. But I was able to comfortably tow at 60.

Driving across Kansas with it high cross winds was less fun than one might imagine :unsure:. I had to really tighten my sway bars and it was improved but that was the least pleasant part of the trip. I did get pushed around and the mpg dropped to about 8mpg. Large semi trucks did "suck/blow" me around a bit so I had to pay attention.

Overall I was pleased with the towing experience. I never needed more power. I am sure a 3/4 ton would tow better but I really have no complaints. The truck was great when unhitched from camper.

AbitaPro 10-18-2015 07:52 PM

Mark - sounds like you had a good trip, and that you also have a good F150! Bet you though it still felt good to get home?


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