Factory sub
So I got the Kicker/Ford sub installed and it has the issues that others have mentioned: it has no gain control, is out of proportion to the rest of the system, and basically takes over the rest of the sound and is so loud that it distorts. I listen to a wide variety of music, but even when I listen to rap, I don't want to make the windows rattle. Fortunately, I have a Rockford Punch PBR300X1 already wired to a Rockford P3SD4-8 4ohm. I built that to replace the very similar setup from my ancient 2002 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer (it doesn't need sound in its new life as my side by side). My thought is that into the 4 ohm sub, this amp will produce 75W RMS, which is well below what the factory connector can provide. The wires are thin white/black (sound signal), big Red (Power) big Black (ground) and thin red/blue (remote). My plan is to wire up a WPT-1212 and test out my RF amp and sub combo. If that works and has enough oomph, then, I'll just keep the factory harness. If it leaves something to be desired, then I may buy the 2 ohm version of this sub, which would push the RMS wattage to 150 from this amp. That raises the question about power. If I blow the fuse, then I'll run a power cable from Fuse 28 in the body control module around to the sub and run a ground wire to the seat bolt. I'll keep everyone posted on how this works out.
Update: I got the kicker factory sub installed, was unimpressed (mostly with the "16 year old kid who just got his first sub from Walmart and is so proud of it that he cranks it up until it makes a horrible gurgle like a dying elephant" factory DSP, but once I took it apart, also with the garbage components), and decided to upgrade. I had an RF 8" Punch sub and PBR300x1, which I supposed could use the factory hookup. Of note, the factory hookup is no longer just hidden in the panel..... I traced it looking for the WPT-1212 to make installing it easy, but there isn't one....it's just wires goin every which way. Also, the power tap is now wired into the underhood fuse box, and is basically a 14 AWG wire with a 30A fuse near the battery box, basically a smaller version of what I would've done. The speaker wires work as does the remote turn on wire, and the color coding is easy to follow (thin black/white are signal, red/blue is remote, thick red is power and thick black is ground). I got it all hooked up today, and the difference is night and day. It went from overpowering and not adjustable to punchy, accurate bass that isn't overpowering. It is quieter, but now it blends into the rest of the system and the horrible distortion is gone.
I'm adding RF 1675S speakers in next, and wired in Crutchfield 250 Hz bass blockers on all of them (the PBR-300X1 has a variable crossover, and that's where I have it set). My hope is to one day change the head unit DSP so that it doesn't waste any of its 7W RMS on bass signal, but the bass blockers will at least keep the speakers from trying too hard. Anyway, my point was that the factory box and hookups can be used to get decent bass that doesn't cost you any storage space and doesn't mess with your electrical system.
I'm adding RF 1675S speakers in next, and wired in Crutchfield 250 Hz bass blockers on all of them (the PBR-300X1 has a variable crossover, and that's where I have it set). My hope is to one day change the head unit DSP so that it doesn't waste any of its 7W RMS on bass signal, but the bass blockers will at least keep the speakers from trying too hard. Anyway, my point was that the factory box and hookups can be used to get decent bass that doesn't cost you any storage space and doesn't mess with your electrical system.
Woo! I think I've gone through like 100 pages of posts. Thanks everybody!
So, I have a 2015 XL and the plug is there in the C pillar. I do not currently have a receiver with Sirius. From everything I've read, this set up will not send the speaker signal - just power, remote, etc. If I were to switch out my current receiver with one that is Sirius enabled, would the speaker signal start working? Or is there something else that inherently gets installed when you get an XL with Sirius from the factory? I can get a receiver with Sirius used for like $50.
I know I can tap into the speakers but I'm hoping to avoid that. If I do have to go the route of tapping into the speakers, is there a difference between tapping the front and rear? I swear I read something about the rear not having all the bass, whatever that means.
So, I have a 2015 XL and the plug is there in the C pillar. I do not currently have a receiver with Sirius. From everything I've read, this set up will not send the speaker signal - just power, remote, etc. If I were to switch out my current receiver with one that is Sirius enabled, would the speaker signal start working? Or is there something else that inherently gets installed when you get an XL with Sirius from the factory? I can get a receiver with Sirius used for like $50.
I know I can tap into the speakers but I'm hoping to avoid that. If I do have to go the route of tapping into the speakers, is there a difference between tapping the front and rear? I swear I read something about the rear not having all the bass, whatever that means.
Last edited by ponchorage; Jan 8, 2023 at 07:30 PM. Reason: I originally said B pillar, I meant C pillar for the location of the plug.
Woo! I think I've gone through like 100 pages of posts. Thanks everybody!
So, I have a 2015 XL and the plug is there in the B pillar. I do not currently have a receiver with Sirius. From everything I've read, this set up will not send the speaker signal - just power, remote, etc. If I were to switch out my current receiver with one that is Sirius enabled, would the speaker signal start working? Or is there something else that inherently gets installed when you get an XL with Sirius from the factory? I can get a receiver with Sirius used for like $50.
I know I can tap into the speakers but I'm hoping to avoid that. If I do have to go the route of tapping into the speakers, is there a difference between tapping the front and rear? I swear I read something about the rear not having all the bass, whatever that means.
So, I have a 2015 XL and the plug is there in the B pillar. I do not currently have a receiver with Sirius. From everything I've read, this set up will not send the speaker signal - just power, remote, etc. If I were to switch out my current receiver with one that is Sirius enabled, would the speaker signal start working? Or is there something else that inherently gets installed when you get an XL with Sirius from the factory? I can get a receiver with Sirius used for like $50.
I know I can tap into the speakers but I'm hoping to avoid that. If I do have to go the route of tapping into the speakers, is there a difference between tapping the front and rear? I swear I read something about the rear not having all the bass, whatever that means.
If you can get a head unit that does what you want for a good price do it. Since you will need to run wires from the dash for the speaker and power, get the pass through adapter that plugs into the APIM in your truck.. It will probably cost as much as your head unit you're looking at. The adapter is referenced in many posts you went through above. That's probably the easiest and quickest way to get going and you won't need Forscan to activate anything..
Although possible, I doubt that you’ll have speaker output at the plug. But power should be there just fine. Unfortunately the only way to know for sure is to try. I had to tap into the rear speakers and it was super easy. The sound out of my sub is fine using the rear channel.
I use a Kicker 8” sealed (48TCWRT82) and a cheap 350w Jensen amp. It fits behind the left rear seat nicely and is kept at 60% full power otherwise it’s too much. I also upgraded the pillar tweats to Pioneers(?) that were almost plug and play which made a HUGE difference in the sound quality inside my SuperCab.
I use a Kicker 8” sealed (48TCWRT82) and a cheap 350w Jensen amp. It fits behind the left rear seat nicely and is kept at 60% full power otherwise it’s too much. I also upgraded the pillar tweats to Pioneers(?) that were almost plug and play which made a HUGE difference in the sound quality inside my SuperCab.
Woo! I think I've gone through like 100 pages of posts. Thanks everybody!
So, I have a 2015 XL and the plug is there in the B pillar. I do not currently have a receiver with Sirius. From everything I've read, this set up will not send the speaker signal - just power, remote, etc. If I were to switch out my current receiver with one that is Sirius enabled, would the speaker signal start working? Or is there something else that inherently gets installed when you get an XL with Sirius from the factory? I can get a receiver with Sirius used for like $50.
I know I can tap into the speakers but I'm hoping to avoid that. If I do have to go the route of tapping into the speakers, is there a difference between tapping the front and rear? I swear I read something about the rear not having all the bass, whatever that means.
So, I have a 2015 XL and the plug is there in the B pillar. I do not currently have a receiver with Sirius. From everything I've read, this set up will not send the speaker signal - just power, remote, etc. If I were to switch out my current receiver with one that is Sirius enabled, would the speaker signal start working? Or is there something else that inherently gets installed when you get an XL with Sirius from the factory? I can get a receiver with Sirius used for like $50.
I know I can tap into the speakers but I'm hoping to avoid that. If I do have to go the route of tapping into the speakers, is there a difference between tapping the front and rear? I swear I read something about the rear not having all the bass, whatever that means.
So I got the Kicker/Ford sub installed and it has the issues that others have mentioned: it has no gain control, is out of proportion to the rest of the system, and basically takes over the rest of the sound and is so loud that it distorts. I listen to a wide variety of music, but even when I listen to rap, I don't want to make the windows rattle. Fortunately, I have a Rockford Punch PBR300X1 already wired to a Rockford P3SD4-8 4ohm. I built that to replace the very similar setup from my ancient 2002 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer (it doesn't need sound in its new life as my side by side). My thought is that into the 4 ohm sub, this amp will produce 75W RMS, which is well below what the factory connector can provide. The wires are thin white/black (sound signal), big Red (Power) big Black (ground) and thin red/blue (remote). My plan is to wire up a WPT-1212 and test out my RF amp and sub combo. If that works and has enough oomph, then, I'll just keep the factory harness. If it leaves something to be desired, then I may buy the 2 ohm version of this sub, which would push the RMS wattage to 150 from this amp. That raises the question about power. If I blow the fuse, then I'll run a power cable from Fuse 28 in the body control module around to the sub and run a ground wire to the seat bolt. I'll keep everyone posted on how this works out.
I don't think I'm super picky, either - people whine about the B&O system for example, but I actually think it's pretty solid for what it is (the upgraded factory system in a pickup truck).
Have you confirmed the 6v switch is active? Though the plug is there doesn't mean it does anything.
If you can get a head unit that does what you want for a good price do it. Since you will need to run wires from the dash for the speaker and power, get the pass through adapter that plugs into the APIM in your truck.. It will probably cost as much as your head unit you're looking at. The adapter is referenced in many posts you went through above. That's probably the easiest and quickest way to get going and you won't need Forscan to activate anything..
If you can get a head unit that does what you want for a good price do it. Since you will need to run wires from the dash for the speaker and power, get the pass through adapter that plugs into the APIM in your truck.. It will probably cost as much as your head unit you're looking at. The adapter is referenced in many posts you went through above. That's probably the easiest and quickest way to get going and you won't need Forscan to activate anything..
So I went back out to the truck today and after all of your help on understanding what everything means with settings, whats actually happening, and forscan settings, I was able to get it to actually turn on!! Verified all the power was there (which it was), I set the remote on to +12v, linput level to low, phase to 0, and the rest kindve dialed in for now. So this was a case of me only setting one thing at a time (had remote on to dc, input level to high, etc.) was causing the issue. So once yall gave me a clearer understanding of what everything was doing, it helped me a TON to know how to set it up. So once it was bumping, I was playing around with the auto settings in the cab. Well, needless to say, I was VERY happy with the sub output (i personally think this thing puts out WAY more bass then ill ever need. I have to turn it down), but the speakers now sounded distorted. I remembered in earlier posts that people mentioned that the crew cab with 7 speaker kicker made it sound like crap to some people. So luckily, I followed livinitups forscan write up to a T and backed everything up. I returned the ACM back to original built, and then turn the aux sub setting back on. It sounds so much better this way! The volume is way louder than the kicker setting and more clear. Must be for the kicker speaker set up that amplified and thats why its not as crip and loud. But either way, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE HELP! I couldnt have done it without everyone. Hopefully everything stays working now haha
Chamberlain had an issue with the hideaway on his XL. The factory harness the WPT plugs into only had the power and ground wires working and had to splice into the left and right speakers for the speaker level inputs. Im currently having the same issue where the power and ground are working but cant get the sub to make any sound using the speaker wires on the WPT and factory harness....I want to troubleshoot more on the reason behind the speaker wires not working on the factory side....ultimatly ill just have to do what Chamberlain did and splice into the speaker wires.
Hope this helps
Btw i have an XLT but not fully loaded. I have forscan set to aux sub and 7 speaker with kicker but i dont know if it is better a different way since I dont have mine up and running yet. Throughout this thread you will see many different set ups for forscan...once you get your hideaway up youll just have to play with it to see what sounds best to your ear.
Other setting I have seen throughout this thread
aux speaker instead of aux sub
none on the speaker with kicker instead of 5, 6, or 7 speaker with kicker
Chad
Hope this helps
Btw i have an XLT but not fully loaded. I have forscan set to aux sub and 7 speaker with kicker but i dont know if it is better a different way since I dont have mine up and running yet. Throughout this thread you will see many different set ups for forscan...once you get your hideaway up youll just have to play with it to see what sounds best to your ear.
Other setting I have seen throughout this thread
aux speaker instead of aux sub
none on the speaker with kicker instead of 5, 6, or 7 speaker with kicker
Chad





