SCrewYou

in addition to being less safe, the tundra does not offer push button start, twin panel moonroof, heated back seats, heated steering wheel (really?), 360 camera. ill give them credit for offering adaptive cruise control as a standard feature, but theyre still way behind ford.

chimmike

I remember when the current body style tundra first came out, with the 5.7...and the hollow camshafts were snapping like twigs in running engines. I think the first 2 years of it, they were warranty replacing camshafts like Oprah was giving away hundred dollar bills.

Toyota's not what they used to be in terms of reliability or other. Resale is slowly starting to recognize that.

Tundra mpg is garbage, unfortunately. Current tundra is dated, and they're just milking the design coming up with special packages and refreshes.

I get the feeling yota is getting hot to come out with a competitive new model and are doing proper research...but like this gen, they'll sit on it about 4 years too long.

For the value? 100% F150. Also safety. And motor choices.

Nitrodoc

The current Tundra is dated. Toyota only does major changes to their models about every 10 years or so. So it is getting a little long in the tooth.

Then there is the gas mileage issue. The 5.7 is a pig. My buddy has one and he is lucky if he gets 17 on the highway going downhill. Not to mention my Ecoboost can run circles around his Tundra.

Aashu

even with the upgrade they had on Tacoma, that is also dated

MNSportsman

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Hmm, I don't remember hearing about this at all. My dad has a 2007 Tundra (first year the new gen was released) with 200k miles and my brother has a 2008 and neither has had any powertrain issues. I had a 2010 Tundra and didn't have any issues either with the engine (rust was another matter however). The 5.7 is generally regarded as a pretty bullet proof engine IMO. Gas mileage is atrocious for sure but durable and reliable.

excaliber

The Tundra supposedly will see a totally new refresh in 2019. I'm hoping this time it's more than just putting some more lip stick on the pig and calling it what it isn't.


In it's current configuration I'd take the F150 troubles and all. The Tundra is a more reliable vehicle. The F150 gets better mileage but not when towing. If you tow allot the Tundra would be the better option.


Maybe the new Tundra will use the 3.5 twin turbo that is currently in the Lexus. It's already near 400 HP and 400 ft lbs of torque. With some tweaking this could be a super engine for a truck. It would be a direct competition for the Ecoboost and I'm betting much more reliable.
With a new transmission on the way and some much needed styling the Tundra has to be much improved. By how much we shall see.


The current 5.7 liter V-8 in the Tundra is a gas hog. The lack of bed choices on the Crew Max is what has me leaning towards a F150. Now if the Crew Max has a 6.5' bed option and some new power plants sitting on top of the new frame that would be a game changer for me.

2017ExecFx4

Interesting thread - thanks all for the comments.

- The Tundra is due for a complete redesign in 2020 (same timeline as the F150 - though some here say F150 is 2021)

- Tundra sells ~100k vs. Fseries ~700k per annum - why?

That last bullet is the one I that would give me pause. I've had many Toyotas and still have Lexus products...I really don't have a bad thing to say.

However, I know what I'm buying - "older, reliable functionality". Toyota simply doesn't innovate. Not their model.

This is my 2 pence....and, I've found that I am VERY different from most - so take that for what you want:

IF you're quibblinig (with yourself) over a couple of thousand dollars either way....you should NOT be in the truck market at all. These are not efficient low cost of operation units.

I see people complaining about their F150s here every day; but, my 2017 3.5EB with the 10speed is the smoothest operating powertrain I've owned - and, that includes multiple lexus vehicles.

I didn't consider the Toyota because you can't fit any kind of wheel on the thing without a 6'' lift. They have some of the smallest wheel wells around. And, while I like the look of the body, I think the body/wheel ratio is off to my eye.

rliles1

However, the Tundra has a significantly lower payload rating that limits the amount of weight that you can tow (lower tongue weight). So, if you want to tow heavy, look seriously at payload ratings. Right now, the F-150 seems to have higher payload ratings for equivalent packages than any of the others.

excaliber

I think the Tundra tow rating is actually closer to real world and safety designs than the F150. No one should be towing close to 10K lbs with a half ton. That's F250 type of work. Rumor has it payload and towing capacity is another thing Toyota will be improving on the new truck. If I'm buying a truck now it's the F150.
I have the luxury of waiting out the new Tundra.

ABolt

Toyota by design simply does not produce very many Tundras. They sell every one they make shortly after it rolls off the assembly line, and could sell many times more if they chose to do so. But if they made and sold 1M Tundras a year, it would kill their overall fleet mpg numbers.

Meanwhile, truck sales drive the profit for Ford, so they want to sell as many as possible. It’s not that way with Toyota, which unlike Ford, has very profitable offerings of cars and crossovers.