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Old 06-24-2017, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ericlee
They are all dogs... they are 5500lb plus trucks... which model Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc are they beating? These engine arguments and the "better choice" are hilarious. Is the 3.5 rated to tow higher than a 5.0? Sure... but anyone that routinely tows 10k didn't get the wrong engine... they got the wrong truck. I drive super duty diesels for work, I could care less about the low end torque of a eco. I like the high rpm horsies of a na v8 burning up a whole bunch of fuel in my off hours..my .02.. I'm sure all of you like your engines for your own reasons.
I agree. I didn't buy a truck to be faster than anyone. And when I start the truck it doesn't sound like a Hoover.
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In the end I'll be moving from my 2008 Ranger 4.0L to a 2018 Lariat. Whether I go 3.5EB or 5.0L, I don't think I'll be disappointed!
I went from a 2002 Ranger 4.0L (still have it) to the 2.7L eco and the eco has way more getup and go. When I get back in the Ranger it messes with my head that the Ranger is lighter and has almost 50% more displacement and feels like a dog compared to the F150. Though the Ranger felt pretty fast after years with the F150 302/C6 combo...

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Originally Posted by 02fx4dude
I went from a 2002 Ranger 4.0L (still have it) to the 2.7L eco and the eco has way more getup and go. When I get back in the Ranger it messes with my head that the Ranger is lighter and has almost 50% more displacement and feels like a dog compared to the F150. Though the Ranger felt pretty fast after years with the F150 302/C6 combo...

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Popcorn displacement on the linear range of spectrum theory.
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I would be curious to find out if the question were asked in 2016 if it would be different. The reason I got the '16 over the '17 was because I didn't know what the reliability was going to be on the new engine and transmission.
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Here we go again, same ole p***ing match about engines. These guys are making their choices based on what they see come in the shop daily or in this case what's not coming in the shop. The results should not be a surprise to anyone. Ford has basically been making this OHC V8 since 1991 so it's a proven design, less complex, easier to work on and less costly to repair so it's going to win the reliability award. Basically they chose the 5.0 as the compromise engine. It'll get the job done just not as quickly as it's EB brother but it will more than likely have less problems and cost less to fix when problems do arise.

Yes the 3.5 EB engine is an amazing piece of technology and IMO one of the best engines in the world. But there is a reason you don't see EB engines in Super Duty trucks. The new 3.5EB is far more powerful than the old 6.2 SOHC V8 and would beat it in every towing/hauling test you can throw at them with ease. But Ford knows the truck market better than anybody and that 6.2 is cheap to own, easy to maintain and will still be going 150,000 miles later asking for no more than fresh fluids and filters. Reliability and durability reign supreme in fleet sales. Another reason you don't see the Powerstroke diesel a lot in fleet trucks. Hell, Ford keeps it so simple they didn't want to go with DOHC; although the 6.2 replacement engine is rumored to be a DOHC 7.0 V8.
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Here we go again, same ole p***ing match about engines. These guys are making their choices based on what they see come in the shop daily or in this case what's not coming in the shop. The results should not be a surprise to anyone. Ford has basically been making this OHC V8 since 1991 so it's a proven design, less complex, easier to work on and less costly to repair so it's going to win the reliability award. Basically they chose the 5.0 as the compromise engine. It'll get the job done just not as quickly as it's EB brother but it will more than likely have less problems and cost less to fix when problems do arise.

Yes the 3.5 EB engine is an amazing piece of technology and IMO one of the best engines in the world. But there is a reason you don't see EB engines in Super Duty trucks. The new 3.5EB is far more powerful than the old 6.2 SOHC V8 and would beat it in every towing/hauling test you can throw at them with ease. But Ford knows the truck market better than anybody and that 6.2 is cheap to own, easy to maintain and will still be going 150,000 miles later asking for no more than fresh fluids and filters. Reliability and durability reign supreme in fleet sales. Another reason you don't see the Powerstroke diesel a lot in fleet trucks. Hell, Ford keeps it so simple they didn't want to go with DOHC; although the 6.2 replacement engine is rumored to be a DOHC 7.0 V8.
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fun comments guys - thanks for the read.

In addition to the above - the EBs outsell the 5.0 handily - so, just on sheer numbers the techs are going to see more EBs in the shop.
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Originally Posted by 2017ExecFx4
fun comments guys - thanks for the read.

In addition to the above - the EBs outsell the 5.0 handily - so, just on sheer numbers the techs are going to see more EBs in the shop.
5.0 30%
2.7 30%
3.5 30%
3.5NA 10%

I wouldn't say the Ecoboosts outsell handily, each has a similar share of the sales.

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Originally Posted by Bullitt427
5.0 30%
2.7 30%
3.5 30%
3.5NA 10%

I wouldn't say the Ecoboosts outsell handily, each has a similar share of the sales.

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Considering the 3.5 and 2.7 are both EBs, that's a 2 to 1 ratio over the 5.0. So the EBs as an engine group do handily outsell the 5.0.

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eh, with all due respect to 'techs' who know the old school methods that don't require reliance on diagnostic software, these wyotech kids couldn't remove a turbo without a shop manual guiding them, wouldn't know how a turbo operates or that the bearings won't 'coke' with oil after shutting down thanks to water cooling, etc. I'll take their opinion as far as I can physically throw them. I'm sure their mechanic education is great and they're skilled at what they do...but when I hear folks talk about things I know more about, and that's their career....it's disheartening.

Were it not for warranty, I'd find a local shop with old-school mechanics who have a diagnostic computer primarily to clear trouble codes once they determine and fix the problem.


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