Is The End In Sight? Ford Plans To Scale Back 5.0L V8 Production At Essex Engine Plan
05-02-2019, 11:39 PM
#21
Senior Member
Originally Posted by Ifallsguy
I hope they don't kill off the V-8. I've towed with both the 3.5 ecoboost and the 5.0L and the V-8 wins hands down. The ecoboost actually got worse MPG when hauling in hills. Had my foot on the floor while the V-8 may have been a bit slower, but it handled things better.
I'm a Ford stockholder (several thousand shares), currently own 2 Fords (2016 Lariat and 2019 Edge Titanium), and have owned 7 Fords. I'm waiting for an order build 2019 Lariat with 5.0L, But if the V-8 goes away, I'll probably go with (ugh) Ram
. We haul a travel trailer, not a boat, not a flatbed trailer. The ecoboost just doesn't do it with that wall facing into the wind. My only other option would be SuperDuty, but the wife is 5 ft and I don't like being able to drive an Ecosport under any vehicle I own.
I'm a Ford stockholder (several thousand shares), currently own 2 Fords (2016 Lariat and 2019 Edge Titanium), and have owned 7 Fords. I'm waiting for an order build 2019 Lariat with 5.0L, But if the V-8 goes away, I'll probably go with (ugh) Ram
. We haul a travel trailer, not a boat, not a flatbed trailer. The ecoboost just doesn't do it with that wall facing into the wind. My only other option would be SuperDuty, but the wife is 5 ft and I don't like being able to drive an Ecosport under any vehicle I own.
05-03-2019, 07:35 AM
#22
Whether we like it or not the Ford engines are getting smaller. If you’ve noticed the 3.5 Ecoboost is slowly being phased out and replaced by the new 3.0 Ecoboost in many vehicles. They just did it on the Explorer.
05-03-2019, 08:44 AM
#23
Once that "simplicity of the V8" argument wears off (not disagreeing, it's a good one), the V6s will really take over. I mean, hell lets face it, better fuel economy, better acceleration, better towing all out of the TT V6. So the TT V6 might not last as long as older V8s? Think Ford cares? That just means more people forced to by new trucks more often. And the 2018-2019 5.0s are riddled with problems. Not a good look.
05-03-2019, 08:53 AM
#24
Senior Member
I'm not sure where this "simplicity" idea comes from. The Coyote is a double over head cam, 32 valve, 12.5:1 compression, all aluminum v8 with sprayed in bore liners, two miles worth of timing chains, and a fragile oil pump gear. It is most definitely not as simple as an old Windsor or, for that matter, a Hemi or an LS.
Not hating on the Coyote at all! Just saying that it's most definitely not a simple v8.
Not hating on the Coyote at all! Just saying that it's most definitely not a simple v8.
05-03-2019, 08:57 AM
#25
I'm not sure where this "simplicity" idea comes from. The Coyote is a double over head cam, 32 valve, 12.5:1 compression, all aluminum v8 with sprayed in bore liners, two miles worth of timing chains, and a fragile oil pump gear. It is most definitely not as simple as an old Windsor or, for that matter, a Hemi or an LS.
Not hating on the Coyote at all! Just saying that it's most definitely not a simple v8.
Not hating on the Coyote at all! Just saying that it's most definitely not a simple v8.
05-03-2019, 09:06 AM
#26
It's sad. I love a good V8 (see the Z28 in username). I've had nothing but V8's since I was 17. I'm in the market for a new F150, probably around the 2019/2020 transition later this year...been dead set on a 5.0 for awhile...and then the TSB and rattling and oil consumption and all that crap about the 2018's came out, which is seemingly open ended. So now I'm planning on a 3.5L. As much as I really want a V8 (with a Borla S or atak or similar), I'm not about to buy a new vehicle and have to deal with that 
Good diesel engines are known for extreme longevity, and have been known for that for decades. The Ford EB engines? Yeah no. New kid on the block is an understatement
The engine itself is darn near identical to the 5.0. Not the least bit more complicated other than the turbos.
What's funny to me is that no one wants a non-turbo diesel or questions the reliability of the turbo's on a diesel even though they are the same turbo's turning the same rpm and doing the same exact function.
What's funny to me is that no one wants a non-turbo diesel or questions the reliability of the turbo's on a diesel even though they are the same turbo's turning the same rpm and doing the same exact function.
Good diesel engines are known for extreme longevity, and have been known for that for decades. The Ford EB engines? Yeah no. New kid on the block is an understatement
Last edited by blkZ28spt; 05-03-2019 at 09:09 AM.
05-03-2019, 09:08 AM
#27
Super Duper Senior Member
The engine itself is darn near identical to the 5.0. Not the least bit more complicated other than the turbos.
What's funny to me is that no one wants a non-turbo diesel or questions the reliability of the turbo's on a diesel even though they are the same turbo's turning the same rpm and doing the same exact function.
What's funny to me is that no one wants a non-turbo diesel or questions the reliability of the turbo's on a diesel even though they are the same turbo's turning the same rpm and doing the same exact function.
I wouldn't own a turbo diesel either. I have no need for an F250 or higher. I just don't tow or haul anything big enough. The cost of maintenance just doesn't make sense for me to own one.
05-03-2019, 09:10 AM
#28
Wow what a bunch of nonsense being spewed by V8 homers. First, Ford isn't limiting production or availability of the V8. They are trimming production because they aren't selling them. All you have to do is drive them back to back, even the 2.7 kicks the V8's butt. Tuned the gap gets wider. All the V8 provides is noise, which some people want, and Ford is continuing to cater to that dwindling, but still significant segment. No way they eliminate the V8 and send those buyers right into Chevy and Ram's laps.
05-03-2019, 09:24 AM
#29
Senior Member
The turbos are the extra complication, and are expensive to replace if they go out. I have seen users here get replacement engine quotes from the dealers as high as $13,000 for an Ecoboost in an F150. (don't remember if it was a 2.7 or 3.5) They wouldn't warranty the engine unless both turbos were also replaced. Mine was $6500, and that was a Ford engine. Could have gotten a Jasper or others done for $4500, but the warranty company insisted on a Ford engine.
I wouldn't own a turbo diesel either. I have no need for an F250 or higher. I just don't tow or haul anything big enough. The cost of maintenance just doesn't make sense for me to own one.
I wouldn't own a turbo diesel either. I have no need for an F250 or higher. I just don't tow or haul anything big enough. The cost of maintenance just doesn't make sense for me to own one.
Just for the heck of it, I pulled up the turbos on a '13 F150 3.5. They are $550 each from Tasca parts. Not exactly a HUGE sum of money these days. Not sure about the price difference between the two long blocks. In theory, the v6 long block should be cheaper.
05-03-2019, 09:34 AM
#30
Senior Member
Wow what a bunch of nonsense being spewed by V8 homers. First, Ford isn't limiting production or availability of the V8. They are trimming production because they aren't selling them. All you have to do is drive them back to back, even the 2.7 kicks the V8's butt. Tuned the gap gets wider. All the V8 provides is noise, which some people want, and Ford is continuing to cater to that dwindling, but still significant segment. No way they eliminate the V8 and send those buyers right into Chevy and Ram's laps.
I wonder if either the 5.0 or 3.5 are really more expensive for Ford to manufacture than the 2.7, which is built a lot like a diesel. Maybe the 5.0 is. I highly doubt the 3.5 is.