Hello Again!

Looking at a used 2015 Crew Cab XLT. There is no remote start feature currently. What's the easiest way to add an OEM remote starter? I've seen options for Ford Pass/ Smart Link but not sure if I would need the key fob already?

Thanks!

 

I bought ine from a company called kickystart. They had a big sale last year. It was right at $120. Install took 5 minutes at the most and it uses the factory key FOB. Just hit lock button 3 times and the truck starts up. Only annoying thing is the horn honks when you hit the lock button.

 

With added security to boot!
https://www.f150forum.com/f118/ford-...r-plus-434662/

 

I got Start-X on Amazon. $120 no honk option. Plug box in to odb port, tuck wires up out of way. Took longer to zip tie wires than to program the little box. Uses factory fob. Lock Unlock Lock and truck starts up after a few seconds. Same sequence shuts it back off if you want. Also no honk which is nice.

Start-X Ford F-150 2015-2019, Ranger 2019 Remote Start Starter (NO HONK-Lock-Unlock-Lock) Also Works with Fusion 14-18 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F422Y98/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vC5hDbTH3JT2R

 

I've always liked the fortin evo all. This remote starter leverages the factory remote start routine, meaning you get the "to drive vehicle insert key" message on ic. If you use forscan, you can enable the auto climate, heated seats options in ic for remote start. It's all wired through the can bus, so the previous generation of high current relay starters are a thing of the past. Out of the box, this will do a 3x lock start with oem remote. You can add a longer range 2 way remote if desired. They even have t harnesses to simplify install. You can see the installation diagram in advance to learn what is entailed for installation. I like Fortin because they make a good product and are open with installation info to the general public. http://ifar.ca

 

Hi, it sounds like you know a lot about the Fortin EVO-ALL remote start kit from START-X. I'm having trouble installing mine and would appreciate some help if you have the time. I have a 2016 F150 XLT with key start. I have tried several START-X kits without any luck. I have done the following:
1) I have erased the EVO-ALL device (hereafter called the "device") by releasing the button when the RED LED is lit, then programming per the instructions by releasing the button when the BLUE LED is lit. I can provide more detail if required.
2) What happens is that when I press LOCK, UNLOCK, LOCK the device's LED cycle through various colors before turning off for a second or so and then finally giving three RED flashes, which I understand means NO TACH.

I have a OBDLink MX and Forscan. I set up the Forscan "oscilloscope" to monitor the following BdyCM signals:
START_KEY
STARTREQ_CAN
STARTER_PROT

With these signals I can turn the ignition on (USING MY SWITCHBLADE KEY with LOCK, UNLOCK, and PANIC buttons) with the engine OFF so that I see all three signals in their quiescent states.
Then when I turn the ignition key to START I can see the START_KEY signal go active for the length of time that the key is turned.
Shortly after that I see the STARTREQ_CAN go active indicating i assume that the Start request has been detected on the CAN bus
And the STARTER_PROT goes active to lock out additional starter commands because with the engine running
the STARTER _PROT signal is still active and prevents additional ignition key start attempts from re-engaging the starter.

I have plots of all this if anyone is interested.

My problem is that when i attempt to use my ignition key push buttons by pressing LOCK-UNLOCK-LOCK or LOCK LOCK LOCK nothing happens, or at least I see nothing on the plots. However, the doors do lock and unlock and the horn honks as i'm doing it.

I went through all of the modules in Forscan (e.g. BdyCM, IPC, PCM, etc.) but don't see anything related to door locks. I suppose that there could be some "secret" module that Forscan can't see and the LOCK and UNLOCK signals may be in there. However, I feel fairly certain that it's not going to be encrypted in the true sense of the word because if it was I don't see how Fortin and the others could come up with their remote start devices without the encryption keys.

I'm a retired electrical engineer and have among other things an HP logic analyzer, and I'm perfectly capable of monitoring the CAN bus and sniffing them out if I really have to, but it's 95 degrees here in Houston and I...REALLY...DON'T...WANT...TO...DO...THAT! Lol

So I would really appreciate it if you have anything that you could share that might point me in the right direction or straighten me out if I'm missing the obvious in some way.

Thanks!

 

srf461 – this should probably be in a new thread

I don’t know about these kits from START-X. I buy the evo all from an ebay seller who seems to sell them in volume.

A couple of questions:

1. What wiring diagram did you follow? Did you use a t-harness? Tell me the Fortin guide # based on this reference https://fortin.ca/en/vehicles/ford/f...-standard-key/ and make sure you change the filter under product comparison to include evo-all
2. What version of firmware did you flash to evo all?
3. What vehicle options did you set with the flashlink?

I recommend that you follow an installation for stand alone operation with 1 key programming. This will setup the module in a way where it leverages the factory start routine. Also, it eliminates the need to run through the decryptor / key learning process.

You can bench forscan for now, you don’t need it for installation. Also, I think the gateway module where you connect your obd tester is shut off when the vehicle is off OR when it is in the secure remote start running state. Meaning you can’t query PIDs unless the vehicle is on normally. At least this is the case on my '18.

In order for the remote start to function, you must activate option C1 with flash link. Activate D1.10 for lock, lock, lock start. If you want lock, unlock, lock… activate D1.1. I HIGHLY recommend that you go with lock, unlock, lock because there is a security flaw…. Pressing the lock combination on the exterior door keypad 3x will cause the vehicle to start . If you use lock, unlock, lock, you can still start the vehicle with the keypad. Lock combination + code + Lock combination, which is handy.

 

Honestly the OEM took 5 minutes and it serves me well. The range is shorter than aftermarket I'm sure but it suits my needs just fine, plus I like having just one remote.

No matter what you put in you will need FORScan to enable it.

I went OEM becuase I had 42,000 point on FordPass which covered the full cost of my remote start and left me enough to buy a keyless entry keypad - the only two options I wanted/ didn't have on my STX.

 

Thanks for all the replies! So, I may be leaning toward a new XLT. It doesn't list remote start capability but does have FordPass Connect and Sync3. Would any of the listed options allow me to use the app for remote start?

 

I will make this a new thread if i can figure out how to do it...