do i need winter tires and sand bags?
12-11-2018, 02:26 PM
#21
Senior Member
Need? Probably not.
That being said, once you try a set of winter tires, you probably won't go back. They do make a significant difference. There is a reason I put winter tires on both my Explorer and F150. They are OK with out them, beasts with them - and I can deal easier with what other drivers re doing.
Either way, the sand tubes are a good idea, and provide some grit on hand if you need it in an icy situation.
That being said, once you try a set of winter tires, you probably won't go back. They do make a significant difference. There is a reason I put winter tires on both my Explorer and F150. They are OK with out them, beasts with them - and I can deal easier with what other drivers re doing.
Either way, the sand tubes are a good idea, and provide some grit on hand if you need it in an icy situation.
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roudan (12-11-2018)
12-11-2018, 02:30 PM
#22
Hi Guys,
I just got brand new 2018 XLT XTR 4X4 with Elocker. I am very new to truck. This is my first truck. I am in Canada. I drive to mountain for skiing each weekend. I am wondering if I need to change stock tires to winter tires when driving on the highway during winter snow season? If so, any tire recommendation?
also do i need to put sand bags on the bed for better traction control?
Thanks, much appreciated.
I just got brand new 2018 XLT XTR 4X4 with Elocker. I am very new to truck. This is my first truck. I am in Canada. I drive to mountain for skiing each weekend. I am wondering if I need to change stock tires to winter tires when driving on the highway during winter snow season? If so, any tire recommendation?
also do i need to put sand bags on the bed for better traction control?
Thanks, much appreciated.
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roudan (12-11-2018)
12-11-2018, 02:44 PM
#23
Senior Member
As others have said, "Need" is a tough one. You can get by without them, but should you get them? YES!
Every answer here where someone talked about how they have done "fine" with A/S tires is not giving the right advice. You can do fine, until you aren't doing fine. For every "fine" person there are three that had an accident that could have been prevented by being able to stop. Stopping is your key problem. 4x4 makes stopping WORSE because you have more weight to stop versus a 4x2 vehicle.
Hit up YouTube and look at video tests of 4x4 vs 4x2 vehicles, Snow tires versus Summer/AS. This is one of my favorites.
The 4x2 Escape with Winter Tires made it up the ski slope almost the entire way when the 4x4 couldn't get up the first section. The 4x4 with winter tires of course dominated, but that's to be expected. While this is an example of getting moving, just imagine the same basic idea when trying to stop your 5000+lb vehicle. Tires make all the difference.
Here's another video showing starting and stopping, comparing Summer, All Season, and Winter tires. I started you off when the actual testing starts to save you some time (about 37 seconds). This is performed by TireRack.
Basically, you don't NEED them. But look at those tests and imagine being in a situation where cutting 10 feet off your stopping distance could mean the difference between getting somewhere safely or plowing into the back of the car in front of you or sliding into an intersection. Especially as these tests are done on an ice rink and still show huge advantages.
As someone else mentioned, it doesn't even really cost you anything in the long run as long as you keep the vehicle (or move to a vehicle with similar tire size requirements) as you are just spreading the same wear over two sets of tires.
Every answer here where someone talked about how they have done "fine" with A/S tires is not giving the right advice. You can do fine, until you aren't doing fine. For every "fine" person there are three that had an accident that could have been prevented by being able to stop. Stopping is your key problem. 4x4 makes stopping WORSE because you have more weight to stop versus a 4x2 vehicle.
Hit up YouTube and look at video tests of 4x4 vs 4x2 vehicles, Snow tires versus Summer/AS. This is one of my favorites.
The 4x2 Escape with Winter Tires made it up the ski slope almost the entire way when the 4x4 couldn't get up the first section. The 4x4 with winter tires of course dominated, but that's to be expected. While this is an example of getting moving, just imagine the same basic idea when trying to stop your 5000+lb vehicle. Tires make all the difference.
Here's another video showing starting and stopping, comparing Summer, All Season, and Winter tires. I started you off when the actual testing starts to save you some time (about 37 seconds). This is performed by TireRack.
Basically, you don't NEED them. But look at those tests and imagine being in a situation where cutting 10 feet off your stopping distance could mean the difference between getting somewhere safely or plowing into the back of the car in front of you or sliding into an intersection. Especially as these tests are done on an ice rink and still show huge advantages.
As someone else mentioned, it doesn't even really cost you anything in the long run as long as you keep the vehicle (or move to a vehicle with similar tire size requirements) as you are just spreading the same wear over two sets of tires.
12-11-2018, 02:52 PM
#24
Need? Probably not.
That being said, once you try a set of winter tires, you probably won't go back. They do make a significant difference. There is a reason I put winter tires on both my Explorer and F150. They are OK with out them, beasts with them - and I can deal easier with what other drivers re doing.
Either way, the sand tubes are a good idea, and provide some grit on hand if you need it in an icy situation.
That being said, once you try a set of winter tires, you probably won't go back. They do make a significant difference. There is a reason I put winter tires on both my Explorer and F150. They are OK with out them, beasts with them - and I can deal easier with what other drivers re doing.
Either way, the sand tubes are a good idea, and provide some grit on hand if you need it in an icy situation.
12-11-2018, 04:12 PM
#25
Senior Member
As others have said, "Need" is a tough one. You can get by without them, but should you get them? YES!
Every answer here where someone talked about how they have done "fine" with A/S tires is not giving the right advice. You can do fine, until you aren't doing fine. For every "fine" person there are three that had an accident that could have been prevented by being able to stop. Stopping is your key problem. 4x4 makes stopping WORSE because you have more weight to stop versus a 4x2 vehicle.
Hit up YouTube and look at video tests of 4x4 vs 4x2 vehicles, Snow tires versus Summer/AS. This is one of my favorites.
The 4x2 Escape with Winter Tires made it up the ski slope almost the entire way when the 4x4 couldn't get up the first section. The 4x4 with winter tires of course dominated, but that's to be expected. While this is an example of getting moving, just imagine the same basic idea when trying to stop your 5000+lb vehicle. Tires make all the difference.
Here's another video showing starting and stopping, comparing Summer, All Season, and Winter tires. I started you off when the actual testing starts to save you some time (about 37 seconds). This is performed by TireRack.
Basically, you don't NEED them. But look at those tests and imagine being in a situation where cutting 10 feet off your stopping distance could mean the difference between getting somewhere safely or plowing into the back of the car in front of you or sliding into an intersection. Especially as these tests are done on an ice rink and still show huge advantages.
As someone else mentioned, it doesn't even really cost you anything in the long run as long as you keep the vehicle (or move to a vehicle with similar tire size requirements) as you are just spreading the same wear over two sets of tires.
Every answer here where someone talked about how they have done "fine" with A/S tires is not giving the right advice. You can do fine, until you aren't doing fine. For every "fine" person there are three that had an accident that could have been prevented by being able to stop. Stopping is your key problem. 4x4 makes stopping WORSE because you have more weight to stop versus a 4x2 vehicle.
Hit up YouTube and look at video tests of 4x4 vs 4x2 vehicles, Snow tires versus Summer/AS. This is one of my favorites.
The 4x2 Escape with Winter Tires made it up the ski slope almost the entire way when the 4x4 couldn't get up the first section. The 4x4 with winter tires of course dominated, but that's to be expected. While this is an example of getting moving, just imagine the same basic idea when trying to stop your 5000+lb vehicle. Tires make all the difference.
Here's another video showing starting and stopping, comparing Summer, All Season, and Winter tires. I started you off when the actual testing starts to save you some time (about 37 seconds). This is performed by TireRack.
Basically, you don't NEED them. But look at those tests and imagine being in a situation where cutting 10 feet off your stopping distance could mean the difference between getting somewhere safely or plowing into the back of the car in front of you or sliding into an intersection. Especially as these tests are done on an ice rink and still show huge advantages.
As someone else mentioned, it doesn't even really cost you anything in the long run as long as you keep the vehicle (or move to a vehicle with similar tire size requirements) as you are just spreading the same wear over two sets of tires.
Continental DWS 06 All Season Tire
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Contact+DWS+06
8.4 Light Snow Traction
7.6 Deep Snow Traction
7.2 Ice Traction
Pirelli Sottozero Snow Tires
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...ozero+Serie+II
8.7 Light Snow Traction
7.9 Deep Snow Traction
7.8 Ice Traction
At those numbers being similar i'm not going to switch my tire every season
12-11-2018, 04:27 PM
#26
Senior Member
Well, those numbers are nice for a lower profile type tire.
Lets look at our trucks:
In a 275/65/18 (happens to be the size on my truck):
Michelin LTX M/S (often called the best Light truck all season for snow):
Light Snow: 8.9
Deep Snow: 8.2
Ice: 7.9
BFG AT KO (often referred to as one of the better snow and ice all terrain tires):
Light Snow: 9.2
Deep Snow: 9.0
Ice: 7.9
Blizzaks:
Light Snow: 9.8
Deep Snow: 9.5
Ice: 9.3
Yokohoma Ice Guards IG51V:
Light Snow 9.4
Deep SNow 9.5
Ice: 8.9
See anything there? Look at the ice numbers.
Cherry pick the numbers you want, in general the pattern holds true.
Lets look at our trucks:
In a 275/65/18 (happens to be the size on my truck):
Michelin LTX M/S (often called the best Light truck all season for snow):
Light Snow: 8.9
Deep Snow: 8.2
Ice: 7.9
BFG AT KO (often referred to as one of the better snow and ice all terrain tires):
Light Snow: 9.2
Deep Snow: 9.0
Ice: 7.9
Blizzaks:
Light Snow: 9.8
Deep Snow: 9.5
Ice: 9.3
Yokohoma Ice Guards IG51V:
Light Snow 9.4
Deep SNow 9.5
Ice: 8.9
See anything there? Look at the ice numbers.
Cherry pick the numbers you want, in general the pattern holds true.
12-11-2018, 04:32 PM
#27
Senior Member
Well, those numbers are nice for a lower profile type tire.
Lets look at our trucks:
In a 275/65/18 (happens to be the size on my truck):
Michelin LTX M/S (often called the best Light truck all season for snow):
Light Snow: 8.9
Deep Snow: 8.2
Ice: 7.9
BFG AT KO (often referred to as one of the better snow and ice all terrain tires):
Light Snow: 9.2
Deep Snow: 9.0
Ice: 7.9
Blizzaks:
Light Snow: 9.8
Deep Snow: 9.5
Ice: 9.3
Yokohoma Ice Guards IG51V:
Light Snow 9.4
Deep SNow 9.5
Ice: 8.9
See anything there? Look at the ice numbers.
Cherry pick the numbers you want, in general the pattern holds true.
Lets look at our trucks:
In a 275/65/18 (happens to be the size on my truck):
Michelin LTX M/S (often called the best Light truck all season for snow):
Light Snow: 8.9
Deep Snow: 8.2
Ice: 7.9
BFG AT KO (often referred to as one of the better snow and ice all terrain tires):
Light Snow: 9.2
Deep Snow: 9.0
Ice: 7.9
Blizzaks:
Light Snow: 9.8
Deep Snow: 9.5
Ice: 9.3
Yokohoma Ice Guards IG51V:
Light Snow 9.4
Deep SNow 9.5
Ice: 8.9
See anything there? Look at the ice numbers.
Cherry pick the numbers you want, in general the pattern holds true.
12-12-2018, 12:11 AM
#28
Senior Member
For the OP in Canada? Pretty safe to recommend winter tires over all-seasons. Even our Minnesota winters aren't like Canadian winters. And as has been said, the net cost is pretty low. Summer tires last a long time when you put them on in May and take them off in October.
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roudan (12-12-2018)
12-12-2018, 12:18 AM
#29
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Thanks Guys. After reading all of your comments, I decided to buy a sets of new snow tires. I am living in Calgary. I drive to Banff, Lake Louise for skiing each weekend and come back on the same day mostly night time. so safety will be first.
Other questions:
For tire size, I will choose 275 65R18? What about rim size? Rim size is a little confusing to me. I went to costco.ca and it directed me to the below link, filtered rim for 2018 F150 XLT 4by4. There are still quite different bolt patterns, 6-135, 6-136/139.7, offset 30,40,44
, size 18*9, 18*8, I don't know which one to pick? Could you please give me some guidance? Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
https://www.c-wheels.ca/en/fitmentse...0&submodel=XLT
Other questions:
For tire size, I will choose 275 65R18? What about rim size? Rim size is a little confusing to me. I went to costco.ca and it directed me to the below link, filtered rim for 2018 F150 XLT 4by4. There are still quite different bolt patterns, 6-135, 6-136/139.7, offset 30,40,44
, size 18*9, 18*8, I don't know which one to pick? Could you please give me some guidance? Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
https://www.c-wheels.ca/en/fitmentse...0&submodel=XLT
12-12-2018, 07:18 AM
#30
Senior Member
It's pretty much true. That said, having had the Continental DWS on my STI, it's very close to a winter tire (DWS=Dry Wet Snow). They don't make it in a 275-55-20 for my STX. Not sure I'd do it anyway; they wore quickly. Maybe they're better now.
For the OP in Canada? Pretty safe to recommend winter tires over all-seasons. Even our Minnesota winters aren't like Canadian winters. And as has been said, the net cost is pretty low. Summer tires last a long time when you put them on in May and take them off in October.
For the OP in Canada? Pretty safe to recommend winter tires over all-seasons. Even our Minnesota winters aren't like Canadian winters. And as has been said, the net cost is pretty low. Summer tires last a long time when you put them on in May and take them off in October.