DIY TSB: Overly Aggressive Driver Seat Lumbar In Relaxed Position
09-12-2015, 11:11 AM
#1
DIY TSB: Overly Aggressive Driver Seat Lumbar In Relaxed Position
DIY TSB: Overly Aggressive Driver Seat Lumbar In Relaxed Position
FORD:
2015 F-150 cloth driver seat power lumbar.
May apply in part or entirely to other seats (e.g., passenger seat, leather, power seat massage, manual lumbar)
ISSUE
Some F-150s may exhibit overly aggressive driver seat lumbar support in the fully relaxed position that produces lower back pain after varying lengths of time.
BACKGROUND
The lumbar function is cable-operated similar to a bicycle cable-operated brake or a bicycle cable-operated gear derailleur. When the cable is tightened, “zig-zag” style seat springs are raised providing lumbar seat support. Cable tightening in the cloth driver seat power lumbar is provided by an electric motor.
ACTION
Disconnect one of the lumbar cable mounting points which will fully relax the lumbar.
I suspect the issue's root cause to be too short of a power lumbar cable on select seats for certain seat occupants.
NOTE: This action renders the lumbar function inoperable. However, this action can be easily reversed to restore power lumbar function.
7 STEP PROCEDURE
1) Underneath seat on inboard side, un-mount black seat motor wire harness connector from connector’s overhead mount and disengage elastic fabric loop holding seat cloth tight.
(Photos 1 & 2) Separate by prying connector’s mount downward with a small screw driver.
a. WARNING: Do not unplug seat motor electric connector which will result in an inoperable seat motor.
2) Underneath seat on outboard side, un-mount yellow airbag wire harness connector from connector’s overhead mount and disengage elastic fabric loop holding seat cloth tight.
(Photos 3 & 4) Separate by prying connector’s mount downward with a small screw driver.
a. WARNING: Do not unplug air bag electric connector which will result in an inoperable seat air bag. Other potential consequences when disassembling airbag systems include other catastrophic air bag failures such as accidental air bag deployment.
3) Separate seat cloth flexible black connectors that attach the front seat cloth to the backside seat cloth. The flexible black connector runs the width of the seat and each side contains locking lips.
(Photos 5 & 6) Begin separation on one edge with a medium screw driver.
4) Unzip inboard seat cloth zipper about 6”-12” to provide access to lumbar cable mount. (Photos 7 & 8) Needle nose pliers are useful in unzipping and zipping zipper.
5) Locate inboard power lumbar cable mount. The cable fitting is a white plastic elbow inserted through a black wire loop on the inboard seat frame. (Photo 9)
6) Disconnect and then fully separate the white plastic elbow from the black wire loop by compressing the white plastic elbow’s tabs and pushing the elbow out of the black wire loop.
(Photo 10: Partially disconnected)
(Photo 11: Disconnected and fully separated)
7) Reassemble: Reverse steps 1 - 4
FORD:
2015 F-150 cloth driver seat power lumbar.
May apply in part or entirely to other seats (e.g., passenger seat, leather, power seat massage, manual lumbar)
ISSUE
Some F-150s may exhibit overly aggressive driver seat lumbar support in the fully relaxed position that produces lower back pain after varying lengths of time.
BACKGROUND
The lumbar function is cable-operated similar to a bicycle cable-operated brake or a bicycle cable-operated gear derailleur. When the cable is tightened, “zig-zag” style seat springs are raised providing lumbar seat support. Cable tightening in the cloth driver seat power lumbar is provided by an electric motor.
ACTION
Disconnect one of the lumbar cable mounting points which will fully relax the lumbar.
I suspect the issue's root cause to be too short of a power lumbar cable on select seats for certain seat occupants.
NOTE: This action renders the lumbar function inoperable. However, this action can be easily reversed to restore power lumbar function.
7 STEP PROCEDURE
1) Underneath seat on inboard side, un-mount black seat motor wire harness connector from connector’s overhead mount and disengage elastic fabric loop holding seat cloth tight.
(Photos 1 & 2) Separate by prying connector’s mount downward with a small screw driver.
a. WARNING: Do not unplug seat motor electric connector which will result in an inoperable seat motor.
2) Underneath seat on outboard side, un-mount yellow airbag wire harness connector from connector’s overhead mount and disengage elastic fabric loop holding seat cloth tight.
(Photos 3 & 4) Separate by prying connector’s mount downward with a small screw driver.
a. WARNING: Do not unplug air bag electric connector which will result in an inoperable seat air bag. Other potential consequences when disassembling airbag systems include other catastrophic air bag failures such as accidental air bag deployment.
3) Separate seat cloth flexible black connectors that attach the front seat cloth to the backside seat cloth. The flexible black connector runs the width of the seat and each side contains locking lips.
(Photos 5 & 6) Begin separation on one edge with a medium screw driver.
4) Unzip inboard seat cloth zipper about 6”-12” to provide access to lumbar cable mount. (Photos 7 & 8) Needle nose pliers are useful in unzipping and zipping zipper.
5) Locate inboard power lumbar cable mount. The cable fitting is a white plastic elbow inserted through a black wire loop on the inboard seat frame. (Photo 9)
6) Disconnect and then fully separate the white plastic elbow from the black wire loop by compressing the white plastic elbow’s tabs and pushing the elbow out of the black wire loop.
(Photo 10: Partially disconnected)
(Photo 11: Disconnected and fully separated)
7) Reassemble: Reverse steps 1 - 4
Last edited by ChicagoJim; 09-12-2015 at 12:06 PM.
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09-16-2015, 03:48 PM
#4
If I go back in there again to modify it (probably not anytime soon as it is soooo comfortable now without lumbar
), I would take some clothes hanger wire and bend a loop on one end (like the loop in the photo) and then I would loop & connect the other end through the existing loop.Clothes hanger wire is lighter gauge (~1/2 thickness?) than what is in there, but I think it would work. IIRC, bare 8 AWG copper wire might be a good thickness match (but copper wire might be too pliable/bendable when under cable tension).
Doing this would effectively "extend" the wire loop that retains the white plastic elbow thereby taking tension off the lumbar "zig-zag" springs in the relaxed lumbar setting.
Then when the lumbar is activated, the lumbar cable would retract as it is designed and would tighten the "zig-zag" lumbar springs increasing the lumbar.
The only downside would be that the modified maximum lumbar would be < the OEM maximum lumbar. (But if you are doing this mod, you don't want the maximum anyway).
When I picked up the truck < week ago, I though it was strange (and painful) that the driver lumbar was so much greater than the passenger side in the fully relaxed position.
Last edited by ChicagoJim; 09-16-2015 at 03:53 PM.
09-16-2015, 05:18 PM
#5
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This is so awesome! I noticed that I couldn't get the drivers seat to go to what I thought was a relaxed enough lumbar position on the test drives I went on but it wasn't enough to prevent me from ordering a vehicle. At least now I know there is an easy fix!
09-16-2015, 06:18 PM
#6
I thought about that too while I was in there.
If I go back in there again to modify it (probably not anytime soon as it is soooo comfortable now without lumbar ), I would take some clothes hanger wire and bend a loop on one end (like the loop in the photo) and then I would loop & connect the other end through the existing loop.
Clothes hanger wire is lighter gauge (~1/2 thickness?) than what is in there, but I think it would work. IIRC, bare 8 AWG copper wire might be a good thickness match (but copper wire might be too pliable/bendable when under cable tension).
Doing this would effectively "extend" the wire loop that retains the white plastic elbow thereby taking tension off the lumbar "zig-zag" springs in the relaxed lumbar setting.
Then when the lumbar is activated, the lumbar cable would retract as it is designed and would tighten the "zig-zag" lumbar springs increasing the lumbar.
The only downside would be that the modified maximum lumbar would be < the OEM maximum lumbar. (But if you are doing this mod, you don't want the maximum anyway).
When I picked up the truck < week ago, I though it was strange (and painful) that the driver lumbar was so much greater than the passenger side in the fully relaxed position.
If I go back in there again to modify it (probably not anytime soon as it is soooo comfortable now without lumbar
), I would take some clothes hanger wire and bend a loop on one end (like the loop in the photo) and then I would loop & connect the other end through the existing loop.Clothes hanger wire is lighter gauge (~1/2 thickness?) than what is in there, but I think it would work. IIRC, bare 8 AWG copper wire might be a good thickness match (but copper wire might be too pliable/bendable when under cable tension).
Doing this would effectively "extend" the wire loop that retains the white plastic elbow thereby taking tension off the lumbar "zig-zag" springs in the relaxed lumbar setting.
Then when the lumbar is activated, the lumbar cable would retract as it is designed and would tighten the "zig-zag" lumbar springs increasing the lumbar.
The only downside would be that the modified maximum lumbar would be < the OEM maximum lumbar. (But if you are doing this mod, you don't want the maximum anyway).
When I picked up the truck < week ago, I though it was strange (and painful) that the driver lumbar was so much greater than the passenger side in the fully relaxed position.
Thanks!
Now I wonder if the massage seat lumbar will still work if I do this mod...
09-16-2015, 10:05 PM
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09-17-2015, 09:43 AM
#9
Lariat725 - I don't know... I never sat in the 09-14 seats
The best way I can describe the reason why I now like (i.e., after disconnecting the lumbar cable mount) the XLT 10-way cloth bucket driver's seat is that now the seat now cradles my back and sides... it feels like a "bucket" now around my back.
Just try it out.... the mod is easily reversable (actually it is easier to reverse it than to do it initially.)
To reverse it, all you need to do is line-up the white plastic elbow with the wire hoop and then engage the lumbar motor... the lumbar motor will pull the white plastic elbow back into the wire hoop on its own.
The best way I can describe the reason why I now like (i.e., after disconnecting the lumbar cable mount) the XLT 10-way cloth bucket driver's seat is that now the seat now cradles my back and sides... it feels like a "bucket" now around my back.
Just try it out.... the mod is easily reversable (actually it is easier to reverse it than to do it initially.)
To reverse it, all you need to do is line-up the white plastic elbow with the wire hoop and then engage the lumbar motor... the lumbar motor will pull the white plastic elbow back into the wire hoop on its own.
Last edited by ChicagoJim; 09-17-2015 at 09:46 AM.
09-30-2015, 09:25 AM
#10
Done! Thanks for the great write up! Now I dont have that knot in my back after an hour drive. Just a heads up, my lumbar cable was still somewhat tight and needed a good pair of needle nose pliers to completely disconnect the cable. Also helo to zip up the seat cloth as well. This was done on an xlt with 302a sport package seat