In defense of the 2.7 ecoboost
03-10-2019, 07:05 PM
#191
Okay, I'll answer this two ways. First, I'm assuming you got your feelings hurt because you own a 5.0L, that seems to be common on these forums with people bickering between EB and the 5.0L, which makes zero sense to me, but..... I like the 5.0L, I'm likely buying it in my next truck in the fall if the oil consumption is isolated and solved. I said that in my post I think? I also said "With the old 6 speed, the 2.7 was a quicker ( I'm not saying better ) option that did everything performance wise slightly better than the 5.0 did". That was from the few performance test that I can remember seeing in 15' and/or 16' and slightly is a key word. So here we go with the answers to your above question.
1.) Excellent point! Maybe they'll bring the 5.4 back? It was offered with the HDPP. Must have been a power house, or at least more capable and powerful than the 2.7L. In fact I think it had the same max towing and payload as the 5.0L, so with this wisdom we know it's at least as good and capable as the 5.0L and better than the 2.7L.
2.) Ford doesn't want to offer a premium capability rating on their high volume less expensive 2.7L when they can up sale customers to more expensive 5.0L & 3.5EB. ( In case you really didn't know)
1.) Excellent point! Maybe they'll bring the 5.4 back? It was offered with the HDPP. Must have been a power house, or at least more capable and powerful than the 2.7L. In fact I think it had the same max towing and payload as the 5.0L, so with this wisdom we know it's at least as good and capable as the 5.0L and better than the 2.7L.
2.) Ford doesn't want to offer a premium capability rating on their high volume less expensive 2.7L when they can up sale customers to more expensive 5.0L & 3.5EB. ( In case you really didn't know)
And if it was all about money, why doesn't ford offer HDPP in more expensive trim levels? Why do they make people pay less to get HDPP trucks? That reasoning doesn't make much sense.
03-10-2019, 07:17 PM
#192
Member
Used to own a 2017 2.7L Edge Sport.
Liked the 2.7L motor. Great power just off idle.... BUT it had issues with the oil pan leaking at the engine/oil pan seal at 5000 miles. Dealer replaced the pan three times within 12,000 miles...oil leak kept coming back. I believe the issue is that the sealing surface barely leaves enough surface area for a good seal. Ford didnt leave much margin in the design.
This experience scared me away from the 2.7L on the F-150 as I read threads with F-150 owners with the 2.7L having the same issue.
Another thing is the 2.7L really needs Premium fuel to allow the timing necessary for full engine power. I could really feel a difference if I used 87 octane in the Edge Sport vs 93. That's a significant price increase to run premium vs regular fuel.
Therefore, I chose the 5.0L for my 2018 F-150 and run 87 octane. I cant feel a difference if I use 93 vs 87 on the 5.0L. Love the 5.0L motor, am getting 19.5 mpg average.
Also, I run a Borla S-Type cat back that allows the 5.0L's V8 symphony to be heard!
No oil consumption issues so far with my 5.0L...hope this continues.
I don't think there is a huge stand out bad choice between the 2.7L, 3.5L or 5.0L engines. Just small considerations and some pros/cons for each. Real or perceived issues with each choice, etc. Which is why these threads go no where.
The fact is they are all solid choices with their own individual strengths.
Liked the 2.7L motor. Great power just off idle.... BUT it had issues with the oil pan leaking at the engine/oil pan seal at 5000 miles. Dealer replaced the pan three times within 12,000 miles...oil leak kept coming back. I believe the issue is that the sealing surface barely leaves enough surface area for a good seal. Ford didnt leave much margin in the design.
This experience scared me away from the 2.7L on the F-150 as I read threads with F-150 owners with the 2.7L having the same issue.
Another thing is the 2.7L really needs Premium fuel to allow the timing necessary for full engine power. I could really feel a difference if I used 87 octane in the Edge Sport vs 93. That's a significant price increase to run premium vs regular fuel.
Therefore, I chose the 5.0L for my 2018 F-150 and run 87 octane. I cant feel a difference if I use 93 vs 87 on the 5.0L. Love the 5.0L motor, am getting 19.5 mpg average.
Also, I run a Borla S-Type cat back that allows the 5.0L's V8 symphony to be heard!
No oil consumption issues so far with my 5.0L...hope this continues.
I don't think there is a huge stand out bad choice between the 2.7L, 3.5L or 5.0L engines. Just small considerations and some pros/cons for each. Real or perceived issues with each choice, etc. Which is why these threads go no where.
The fact is they are all solid choices with their own individual strengths.
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03-10-2019, 08:03 PM
#193
No, my feelings are not hurt at all. I was just wondering why Ford didn't offer the 2.7L in HDPP since it is better at everything performance wise and can increase the max payload available since it weighs less.
And if it was all about money, why doesn't ford offer HDPP in more expensive trim levels? Why do they make people pay less to get HDPP trucks? That reasoning doesn't make much sense.
And if it was all about money, why doesn't ford offer HDPP in more expensive trim levels? Why do they make people pay less to get HDPP trucks? That reasoning doesn't make much sense.
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03-10-2019, 08:06 PM
#194
Senior Member
I think it's market demographics or packaging/build efficiency? Most people looking for HDPP , max tow etc. are not worried as much about the ride quality, they need a truck to offer those capabilities for work or whatever where as, people looking for the ultra cushy ( ride ) trucks with bells and whistles want just that and the higher the payload etc, the more it's diminished. I'm sure there's exceptions. I absolutely think a properly equipped 2.7L could handle the 3,000 or whatever payload ( which I think is insane ), but if people bought into it as a capable engine in those HDPP type trucks, would it hurt higher profit powertrain upgrades like the 5.0L and 3.5EB? Having owned a 5.4 that was rated higher than this 2.7, I can not imagine that 5.4 doing anything easier or more reliable than the 2.7L. Maybe I'm wrong? My 5.4 was a good truck and didn't give me any problems. It was adequate power wise at best when comparing it to my truck now. I want to try a 5.0L in my next truck, partly because of the higher tow ratings and a little because I miss the V8 sound, although the turbo whistle is it's own kind of music. I really feel there are two kinds of people when it comes to the 2.7L. Those who knock it, and those who try it. It took me almost 2 years to consider it and then try it. It is a very capable and impressive engine. I'll never knock it again even if I never own another one.
03-11-2019, 06:22 AM
#195
I'm speaking it terms of test drive experience. The 5.0 had comparable acceleration to the 2.7. I drove both up a pretty steep hill on the highway and I can honestly say the only real difference was the sound during acceleration. This was the first time I have ever driven an ecoboost truck, and I have to say I was very surprised.. The only thing I pull is an 18 ft boat and this 2.7 pulls way better than my 2010 5.4.
03-11-2019, 10:36 AM
#196
Senior Member
Used to own a 2017 2.7L Edge Sport.
Liked the 2.7L motor. Great power just off idle.... BUT it had issues with the oil pan leaking at the engine/oil pan seal at 5000 miles. Dealer replaced the pan three times within 12,000 miles...oil leak kept coming back. I believe the issue is that the sealing surface barely leaves enough surface area for a good seal. Ford didnt leave much margin in the design.
This experience scared me away from the 2.7L on the F-150 as I read threads with F-150 owners with the 2.7L having the same issue.
Another thing is the 2.7L really needs Premium fuel to allow the timing necessary for full engine power. I could really feel a difference if I used 87 octane in the Edge Sport vs 93. That's a significant price increase to run premium vs regular fuel.
Therefore, I chose the 5.0L for my 2018 F-150 and run 87 octane. I cant feel a difference if I use 93 vs 87 on the 5.0L. Love the 5.0L motor, am getting 19.5 mpg average.
Also, I run a Borla S-Type cat back that allows the 5.0L's V8 symphony to be heard!
No oil consumption issues so far with my 5.0L...hope this continues.
I don't think there is a huge stand out bad choice between the 2.7L, 3.5L or 5.0L engines. Just small considerations and some pros/cons for each. Real or perceived issues with each choice, etc. Which is why these threads go no where.
The fact is they are all solid choices with their own individual strengths.
Liked the 2.7L motor. Great power just off idle.... BUT it had issues with the oil pan leaking at the engine/oil pan seal at 5000 miles. Dealer replaced the pan three times within 12,000 miles...oil leak kept coming back. I believe the issue is that the sealing surface barely leaves enough surface area for a good seal. Ford didnt leave much margin in the design.
This experience scared me away from the 2.7L on the F-150 as I read threads with F-150 owners with the 2.7L having the same issue.
Another thing is the 2.7L really needs Premium fuel to allow the timing necessary for full engine power. I could really feel a difference if I used 87 octane in the Edge Sport vs 93. That's a significant price increase to run premium vs regular fuel.
Therefore, I chose the 5.0L for my 2018 F-150 and run 87 octane. I cant feel a difference if I use 93 vs 87 on the 5.0L. Love the 5.0L motor, am getting 19.5 mpg average.
Also, I run a Borla S-Type cat back that allows the 5.0L's V8 symphony to be heard!
No oil consumption issues so far with my 5.0L...hope this continues.
I don't think there is a huge stand out bad choice between the 2.7L, 3.5L or 5.0L engines. Just small considerations and some pros/cons for each. Real or perceived issues with each choice, etc. Which is why these threads go no where.
The fact is they are all solid choices with their own individual strengths.
There's almost 20 horsepower difference between those 2 fuels on the 18 5.0. Guess you really don't drive it very hard.
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03-11-2019, 11:24 AM
#197
Senior Member
Great entertainment! Almost as much fun as perusing Led headlight options and Ecoboost exhaust sound.
I bought a 2.7 because I wanted to! Turns out to be an absolute hoot pulling away from GM's and Rams at stoplights. KM
I bought a 2.7 because I wanted to! Turns out to be an absolute hoot pulling away from GM's and Rams at stoplights. KM
03-11-2019, 11:29 AM
#198
Geek for hire
I smoked a newer tricked out Subaru WRX STI hatchback the other day (I even gave him the go). He was quite pissed when I rolled down my window and told him my truck was completely stock 
03-11-2019, 12:07 PM
#199
Yea I guess. That 2 mpg difference you claim would cost me a whole $6 - $8 a month depending on gas price (currently 1.97 so $6). I will go with the more powerful better towing 2.7 V6 twin turbo. And have the added advantage of higher towing MPG. 
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03-11-2019, 12:14 PM
#200
Senior Member
How are you tuned 2WD guys getting hooked up from a dig? I don't even try to get serious about testing someone in 2WD. What am I doing wrong?
Thankfully, a little click of the dial solves all traction problems for me.
Thankfully, a little click of the dial solves all traction problems for me.