Considering dropping Ecoboost for 5.0
01-26-2015, 12:43 PM
#81
Anyone who thinks that Ford can't build a reliable V8 should go to http://MillionMileVan.com This gut had a 97 Ford van hauling freight across the country and the original 5.4 Died a few miles short of 1.3 MILLION miles. A bit from the site:
ENGINE: 1,299,986 Miles and it has died. The motor lost oil pressure. I turned off the motor about a dozen times and restarted it and the pressure came back but for only a mile or two and then dropped back to nothing. It finally just dropped out and died. R.I.P Million Mile Van.
The radiator cracked and was replaced in July 2004 but the hoses were still the originals. My first serpentine belt reached 502,979 miles before I changed it. I still have it as a trophy belt. :o) I used Valvoline 10W-40 motor oil and change it every 10,000 to 20,000 miles. The longest I’ve went between oil changes is 55,000 miles. It used a quart of oil or more every tank of gas. I usually waited for the oil to turn black before changing it.
TRANSMISSION: The million mile transmission finally called it quits on June 9, 2010 in Chicago. Reverse gear went totally out and drive gear would slip over 45-50mph. I was able to slowly limp it home 250 miles from Chicago to Toledo at 40-45mph. It went 1,211,650 miles before losing reverse gear. 1,211,950 miles to make it back home to be rebuilt.
REAR END: Still the original rear end. It screams at me going down the road so I’m sure it’s life is coming to the end also but she’s still holding out for now.
TIRES: The last few years my favorite brand of tire is the Kelly Safari. It rides nice and seems to have longer life. I haven’t kept track of the miles on the tires so I can’t say for sure but seems to me I’m buying new tires less often now and that certainly works for me. :o) --- They have quit making the Kelly Safari tire...so I now have Firestone Transforce HT tires. I’ve only driven about 200 miles on them so I don’t have an opinion on them yet. :o)
UNITED STATES AND CANADA: The Million Mile Van and I have been in all 48 continental states and 3 provinces of Canada. Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec. Alaska and Hawaii were on the to do list but we never made it to those two states.
ROADKILL: With this van I’ve hit 2 deer, a dog, squirrels, ground hogs, raccoons, birds, bats, rabbits, frogs, snakes and many many already dead road kills,,,skunk is the stinkiest by far. I still haven’t hit an Armadillo, moose or bear yet. :o)
ENGINE: 1,299,986 Miles and it has died. The motor lost oil pressure. I turned off the motor about a dozen times and restarted it and the pressure came back but for only a mile or two and then dropped back to nothing. It finally just dropped out and died. R.I.P Million Mile Van.
The radiator cracked and was replaced in July 2004 but the hoses were still the originals. My first serpentine belt reached 502,979 miles before I changed it. I still have it as a trophy belt. :o) I used Valvoline 10W-40 motor oil and change it every 10,000 to 20,000 miles. The longest I’ve went between oil changes is 55,000 miles. It used a quart of oil or more every tank of gas. I usually waited for the oil to turn black before changing it.
TRANSMISSION: The million mile transmission finally called it quits on June 9, 2010 in Chicago. Reverse gear went totally out and drive gear would slip over 45-50mph. I was able to slowly limp it home 250 miles from Chicago to Toledo at 40-45mph. It went 1,211,650 miles before losing reverse gear. 1,211,950 miles to make it back home to be rebuilt.
REAR END: Still the original rear end. It screams at me going down the road so I’m sure it’s life is coming to the end also but she’s still holding out for now.
TIRES: The last few years my favorite brand of tire is the Kelly Safari. It rides nice and seems to have longer life. I haven’t kept track of the miles on the tires so I can’t say for sure but seems to me I’m buying new tires less often now and that certainly works for me. :o) --- They have quit making the Kelly Safari tire...so I now have Firestone Transforce HT tires. I’ve only driven about 200 miles on them so I don’t have an opinion on them yet. :o)
UNITED STATES AND CANADA: The Million Mile Van and I have been in all 48 continental states and 3 provinces of Canada. Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec. Alaska and Hawaii were on the to do list but we never made it to those two states.
ROADKILL: With this van I’ve hit 2 deer, a dog, squirrels, ground hogs, raccoons, birds, bats, rabbits, frogs, snakes and many many already dead road kills,,,skunk is the stinkiest by far. I still haven’t hit an Armadillo, moose or bear yet. :o)
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01-26-2015, 04:18 PM
#83
Use the two engines equally with the same amount of load until they have 200k on them and then tell us which one is more worn. If you aren't able to do that then quit speculating! No one knows which engine will outlast the other because there isn't enough data out on either yet. Once again, as I asked John up above, are you comparing an Eco that is working to a 5.0 that isn't?
01-26-2015, 05:20 PM
#84
Senior Member
Let me begin by addressing the OP... I too went 5.0 with 3.73's for a couple reasons
1) I have my trucks a long time, and call me old school, but I just flat out liked how the 5.0 sounded better than the 3.5 I drove
2) I don't tow, period. On occasion when I do, it's no more than 7,000 lbs, which either engine will do with ease
3) Payload is more important to me and the 5.0 is lighter than the Eco thus raising its GVWR (slightly)
4) I'm going to run 35's and I've driven Eco's with 3.55 gears and 35's as well as 5.0's with 3.73's. Both engine/gear combo's turn them no problem, but the 5.0 seemed to always average 1-2 mpg better, which over the 10 years I'll own the truck, that will really add up in fuel costs (not that I car about mpg's just saying, its in the back of everyone's minds)
Now moving on to the 5.0 haters... I'm not going to sit here and knock either engine. I freaking love the 3.5 Eco. That motor is a beast, and nothing makes me happier than seeing a 3.5 V6 Ford outperforming a Ram 5.7 Hemi or Chebby 6.2 lol. That being said, to say that the 5.0 that is in the F150 is a mustang engine is just flat out incorrect. Yes, they're both 5.0's, yes they share the same blocks, but the heads and tunes are completely different. Yes, the 5.0 has its power coming in at the higher rpm's, which is agreeably better for cars than trucks. However, the F150 power comes in at much lower rpm's on a F150 than it does a Mustang 5.0. A simple Wiki search will prove this: Ford Modular engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia If you're going to bash people on their engine choices, at least get your facts straight before you start making biased comments that make you feel better about your own personal engine choice.
It is no secret that both engines have their quirks and issues, just like EVERY other manufacturer out there... Some issues are just more sever than others, so no point in dick measuring here. At the end of the day we all drive Fords and everyone is entitled to their opinion and what will best fit their needs. They're both awesome engines. I was surprised how far this thread got before the Eco vs 5.0 pissing contest began..so let's get it back on track
Moving on to the point of "Ford not building a reliable V8"... Ford absolutely builds reliable V8's. I've owned several "problem engines" including a 5.4 Triton. For years I racked up over 100,000 hard miles on that engine. I never had one single issue with it, period. Never had a cam phaser issue, spark plug problem, anything. You know why? I stuck to the owner's manual! 80% of the problems you read and hear about on forums are the user's fault. The other 20% are likely the unfortunate few that had a lemon or one that slipped out of tolerance, etc... **** happens. These trucks are made by man, not by God..
My point is, there is a damn good reason the engineers at Ford recommend the oils, filters and maintenance recommendations, etc. they put in the owner's manual. They're designed around these parameters and built for maximum longevity. Sure, you can waiver from this and modify your truck, tune it, use different fluids, etc. to 'get more out of your truck' but you have to realize this adds stress to drive train components and that's why they fail prematurely. Most buyer's out there don't know better than the engineers who spent years developing these engines (no offense people...) A real statistic I'd be more interested in are how many Ford truck owners are there out there that don't subscribe to forums, who left their trucks stock, and have zero problems?
You have to remember, most posts on here are to get answers to problems or advice. You're not going to hear people get on here to pat Ford's back about how great their products are as much as you're going to hear people get on here just to bitch (we're all guilty of it, myself included) That said, instead of bashing each other (or Ford) over who's got the bigger dick...er' I mean...who's engine is better (aka Eco vs. 5.0)... why don't we give the OP the advice and help he came here to seek out?
OP, if you feel more comfortable with a 5.0 and 3.73's good for you! You'll be happy I promise! Whether you tow or not, the 5.0 likes the higher rpm's and the 3.73's will help keep you in the higher rpm's. Enjoy your truck! I know I can't wait for my 5.0 and 3.73's to arrive
1) I have my trucks a long time, and call me old school, but I just flat out liked how the 5.0 sounded better than the 3.5 I drove
2) I don't tow, period. On occasion when I do, it's no more than 7,000 lbs, which either engine will do with ease
3) Payload is more important to me and the 5.0 is lighter than the Eco thus raising its GVWR (slightly)
4) I'm going to run 35's and I've driven Eco's with 3.55 gears and 35's as well as 5.0's with 3.73's. Both engine/gear combo's turn them no problem, but the 5.0 seemed to always average 1-2 mpg better, which over the 10 years I'll own the truck, that will really add up in fuel costs (not that I car about mpg's just saying, its in the back of everyone's minds)
Now moving on to the 5.0 haters... I'm not going to sit here and knock either engine. I freaking love the 3.5 Eco. That motor is a beast, and nothing makes me happier than seeing a 3.5 V6 Ford outperforming a Ram 5.7 Hemi or Chebby 6.2 lol. That being said, to say that the 5.0 that is in the F150 is a mustang engine is just flat out incorrect. Yes, they're both 5.0's, yes they share the same blocks, but the heads and tunes are completely different. Yes, the 5.0 has its power coming in at the higher rpm's, which is agreeably better for cars than trucks. However, the F150 power comes in at much lower rpm's on a F150 than it does a Mustang 5.0. A simple Wiki search will prove this: Ford Modular engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia If you're going to bash people on their engine choices, at least get your facts straight before you start making biased comments that make you feel better about your own personal engine choice.
It is no secret that both engines have their quirks and issues, just like EVERY other manufacturer out there... Some issues are just more sever than others, so no point in dick measuring here. At the end of the day we all drive Fords and everyone is entitled to their opinion and what will best fit their needs. They're both awesome engines. I was surprised how far this thread got before the Eco vs 5.0 pissing contest began..so let's get it back on track
Moving on to the point of "Ford not building a reliable V8"... Ford absolutely builds reliable V8's. I've owned several "problem engines" including a 5.4 Triton. For years I racked up over 100,000 hard miles on that engine. I never had one single issue with it, period. Never had a cam phaser issue, spark plug problem, anything. You know why? I stuck to the owner's manual! 80% of the problems you read and hear about on forums are the user's fault. The other 20% are likely the unfortunate few that had a lemon or one that slipped out of tolerance, etc... **** happens. These trucks are made by man, not by God..
My point is, there is a damn good reason the engineers at Ford recommend the oils, filters and maintenance recommendations, etc. they put in the owner's manual. They're designed around these parameters and built for maximum longevity. Sure, you can waiver from this and modify your truck, tune it, use different fluids, etc. to 'get more out of your truck' but you have to realize this adds stress to drive train components and that's why they fail prematurely. Most buyer's out there don't know better than the engineers who spent years developing these engines (no offense people...) A real statistic I'd be more interested in are how many Ford truck owners are there out there that don't subscribe to forums, who left their trucks stock, and have zero problems?
You have to remember, most posts on here are to get answers to problems or advice. You're not going to hear people get on here to pat Ford's back about how great their products are as much as you're going to hear people get on here just to bitch (we're all guilty of it, myself included) That said, instead of bashing each other (or Ford) over who's got the bigger dick...er' I mean...who's engine is better (aka Eco vs. 5.0)... why don't we give the OP the advice and help he came here to seek out?
OP, if you feel more comfortable with a 5.0 and 3.73's good for you! You'll be happy I promise! Whether you tow or not, the 5.0 likes the higher rpm's and the 3.73's will help keep you in the higher rpm's. Enjoy your truck! I know I can't wait for my 5.0 and 3.73's to arrive
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01-26-2015, 11:19 PM
#85
Senior Member
Let me begin by addressing the OP... I too went 5.0 with 3.73's for a couple reasons
1) I have my trucks a long time, and call me old school, but I just flat out liked how the 5.0 sounded better than the 3.5 I drove
2) I don't tow, period. On occasion when I do, it's no more than 7,000 lbs, which either engine will do with ease
3) Payload is more important to me and the 5.0 is lighter than the Eco thus raising its GVWR (slightly)
4) I'm going to run 35's and I've driven Eco's with 3.55 gears and 35's as well as 5.0's with 3.73's. Both engine/gear combo's turn them no problem, but the 5.0 seemed to always average 1-2 mpg better, which over the 10 years I'll own the truck, that will really add up in fuel costs (not that I car about mpg's just saying, its in the back of everyone's minds)
Now moving on to the 5.0 haters... I'm not going to sit here and knock either engine. I freaking love the 3.5 Eco. That motor is a beast, and nothing makes me happier than seeing a 3.5 V6 Ford outperforming a Ram 5.7 Hemi or Chebby 6.2 lol. That being said, to say that the 5.0 that is in the F150 is a mustang engine is just flat out incorrect. Yes, they're both 5.0's, yes they share the same blocks, but the heads and tunes are completely different. Yes, the 5.0 has its power coming in at the higher rpm's, which is agreeably better for cars than trucks. However, the F150 power comes in at much lower rpm's on a F150 than it does a Mustang 5.0. A simple Wiki search will prove this: Ford Modular engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia If you're going to bash people on their engine choices, at least get your facts straight before you start making biased comments that make you feel better about your own personal engine choice.
It is no secret that both engines have their quirks and issues, just like EVERY other manufacturer out there... Some issues are just more sever than others, so no point in dick measuring here. At the end of the day we all drive Fords and everyone is entitled to their opinion and what will best fit their needs. They're both awesome engines. I was surprised how far this thread got before the Eco vs 5.0 pissing contest began..so let's get it back on track
Moving on to the point of "Ford not building a reliable V8"... Ford absolutely builds reliable V8's. I've owned several "problem engines" including a 5.4 Triton. For years I racked up over 100,000 hard miles on that engine. I never had one single issue with it, period. Never had a cam phaser issue, spark plug problem, anything. You know why? I stuck to the owner's manual! 80% of the problems you read and hear about on forums are the user's fault. The other 20% are likely the unfortunate few that had a lemon or one that slipped out of tolerance, etc... **** happens. These trucks are made by man, not by God..
My point is, there is a damn good reason the engineers at Ford recommend the oils, filters and maintenance recommendations, etc. they put in the owner's manual. They're designed around these parameters and built for maximum longevity. Sure, you can waiver from this and modify your truck, tune it, use different fluids, etc. to 'get more out of your truck' but you have to realize this adds stress to drive train components and that's why they fail prematurely. Most buyer's out there don't know better than the engineers who spent years developing these engines (no offense people...) A real statistic I'd be more interested in are how many Ford truck owners are there out there that don't subscribe to forums, who left their trucks stock, and have zero problems?
You have to remember, most posts on here are to get answers to problems or advice. You're not going to hear people get on here to pat Ford's back about how great their products are as much as you're going to hear people get on here just to bitch (we're all guilty of it, myself included) That said, instead of bashing each other (or Ford) over who's got the bigger dick...er' I mean...who's engine is better (aka Eco vs. 5.0)... why don't we give the OP the advice and help he came here to seek out?
OP, if you feel more comfortable with a 5.0 and 3.73's good for you! You'll be happy I promise! Whether you tow or not, the 5.0 likes the higher rpm's and the 3.73's will help keep you in the higher rpm's. Enjoy your truck! I know I can't wait for my 5.0 and 3.73's to arrive
1) I have my trucks a long time, and call me old school, but I just flat out liked how the 5.0 sounded better than the 3.5 I drove
2) I don't tow, period. On occasion when I do, it's no more than 7,000 lbs, which either engine will do with ease
3) Payload is more important to me and the 5.0 is lighter than the Eco thus raising its GVWR (slightly)
4) I'm going to run 35's and I've driven Eco's with 3.55 gears and 35's as well as 5.0's with 3.73's. Both engine/gear combo's turn them no problem, but the 5.0 seemed to always average 1-2 mpg better, which over the 10 years I'll own the truck, that will really add up in fuel costs (not that I car about mpg's just saying, its in the back of everyone's minds)
Now moving on to the 5.0 haters... I'm not going to sit here and knock either engine. I freaking love the 3.5 Eco. That motor is a beast, and nothing makes me happier than seeing a 3.5 V6 Ford outperforming a Ram 5.7 Hemi or Chebby 6.2 lol. That being said, to say that the 5.0 that is in the F150 is a mustang engine is just flat out incorrect. Yes, they're both 5.0's, yes they share the same blocks, but the heads and tunes are completely different. Yes, the 5.0 has its power coming in at the higher rpm's, which is agreeably better for cars than trucks. However, the F150 power comes in at much lower rpm's on a F150 than it does a Mustang 5.0. A simple Wiki search will prove this: Ford Modular engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia If you're going to bash people on their engine choices, at least get your facts straight before you start making biased comments that make you feel better about your own personal engine choice.
It is no secret that both engines have their quirks and issues, just like EVERY other manufacturer out there... Some issues are just more sever than others, so no point in dick measuring here. At the end of the day we all drive Fords and everyone is entitled to their opinion and what will best fit their needs. They're both awesome engines. I was surprised how far this thread got before the Eco vs 5.0 pissing contest began..so let's get it back on track
Moving on to the point of "Ford not building a reliable V8"... Ford absolutely builds reliable V8's. I've owned several "problem engines" including a 5.4 Triton. For years I racked up over 100,000 hard miles on that engine. I never had one single issue with it, period. Never had a cam phaser issue, spark plug problem, anything. You know why? I stuck to the owner's manual! 80% of the problems you read and hear about on forums are the user's fault. The other 20% are likely the unfortunate few that had a lemon or one that slipped out of tolerance, etc... **** happens. These trucks are made by man, not by God..
My point is, there is a damn good reason the engineers at Ford recommend the oils, filters and maintenance recommendations, etc. they put in the owner's manual. They're designed around these parameters and built for maximum longevity. Sure, you can waiver from this and modify your truck, tune it, use different fluids, etc. to 'get more out of your truck' but you have to realize this adds stress to drive train components and that's why they fail prematurely. Most buyer's out there don't know better than the engineers who spent years developing these engines (no offense people...) A real statistic I'd be more interested in are how many Ford truck owners are there out there that don't subscribe to forums, who left their trucks stock, and have zero problems?
You have to remember, most posts on here are to get answers to problems or advice. You're not going to hear people get on here to pat Ford's back about how great their products are as much as you're going to hear people get on here just to bitch (we're all guilty of it, myself included) That said, instead of bashing each other (or Ford) over who's got the bigger dick...er' I mean...who's engine is better (aka Eco vs. 5.0)... why don't we give the OP the advice and help he came here to seek out?
OP, if you feel more comfortable with a 5.0 and 3.73's good for you! You'll be happy I promise! Whether you tow or not, the 5.0 likes the higher rpm's and the 3.73's will help keep you in the higher rpm's. Enjoy your truck! I know I can't wait for my 5.0 and 3.73's to arrive
You sound like a wise man.
01-27-2015, 12:40 AM
#86
Senior Member
The EB had nice low end, but real world mileage sucked (15.9 mph over 53K miles, flat Michigan, 85% highway miles 65-75 mph). I've got lots of more reasons I could cite, and many of them start with the letters T, S and B.
01-27-2015, 10:48 AM
#89
Are you 12 years old? Yes it is a facepalm and you deserve it. Youre delusional and uneducated if you think those are stupid arguments. I've brought valid points to the table and you respond with contentious, childish BS.. that's what's pathetic. come back when you've got a valid point to make.
Last edited by johndog82; 01-27-2015 at 11:14 AM.
01-27-2015, 11:20 AM
#90
Senior Member
Are you 12 years old? Yes it is a facepalm and you deserve it. Youre delusional and uneducated if you think those are stupid arguments. I've brought valid points to the table and you respond with contentious, childish BS.. that's what's pathetic. come back when you've got a valid point to make.