Considering dropping Ecoboost for 5.0
01-24-2015, 11:26 PM
#51
Senior Member
You are making a grand assumption, that is just plain ignorant and false.
Ok so you went ahead and also just changed what I wrote.
How am I going on forever that the 5.0 Coyote is not the Triton? I said it once, does it bother you that it isn't? Cause it's not. It's a completely new engine since 2011.
The current 5.0 engine is shared with the Mustang and ****s the bed down low on the power band. The previous 5.4 was not a shared engine with the Mustang or any car (except a few Australian). THAT was a engine with power down low. Even though it's claimed that the V-8 is "reliable" "tried and true" see below:
Ford just has not put out a reliably designed V-8 since god knows when. They switch diesel engine designs like underwear. I actually only own a Ford truck because I wanted the EcoBoost. I researched for a few years before I came to the purchase of my 2014.
If I wanted another noisy *** V-8 I would have bought another GM truck, since they know what they are doing when it comes to V-8 engine design.
Hope you all like Raptors, they are coming back stronger than ever rocking the EcoBoost engine.
Ok so you went ahead and also just changed what I wrote.
How am I going on forever that the 5.0 Coyote is not the Triton? I said it once, does it bother you that it isn't? Cause it's not. It's a completely new engine since 2011.
The current 5.0 engine is shared with the Mustang and ****s the bed down low on the power band. The previous 5.4 was not a shared engine with the Mustang or any car (except a few Australian). THAT was a engine with power down low. Even though it's claimed that the V-8 is "reliable" "tried and true" see below:
Ford just has not put out a reliably designed V-8 since god knows when. They switch diesel engine designs like underwear. I actually only own a Ford truck because I wanted the EcoBoost. I researched for a few years before I came to the purchase of my 2014.
If I wanted another noisy *** V-8 I would have bought another GM truck, since they know what they are doing when it comes to V-8 engine design.
Hope you all like Raptors, they are coming back stronger than ever rocking the EcoBoost engine.
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ducgsxr (01-25-2015)
01-24-2015, 11:37 PM
#52
If ford "can't build a reliable v8", neither can GM or dodge. Theyve all put out motors that make some kind of excessive noise. My Ranger's 4.0 has knocked since day 1 and 200k miles later it runs just as strong as it did on day 1 and shows no signs of slowing down. I doubt the EB's known problems will be inconsequential to performance after 200k. Knocking is child's play compared to the problems the EB has. Its important to note that all of these problems only happen to a minority of the engines. Don't listen to anyone who makes a laughable blanket statement about "noisy" v8's to defend a gas turbo that has several more documented problems than the 5.0, and, based on decades and decades of history and data, costs more to maintain in the long run. Yeah, I'm sure the '11-'14 3.5 will change all of that. LOL.
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01-24-2015, 11:48 PM
#53
Senior Member
Honestly, I agree the 5.0 could use a little more power below 3k rpm (for me) because I rarely get over 3k rpm in daily driving unless I'm merging on the interstate maybe. I don't want a twin turbo direct injected gas engine just to get 1 or 2 mpg better. I don't want cylinder deactivation and oil burning (GM) to get 1 or 2 mpg better. I don't trust the reliability of the now Fiat owned Ram. So I'm on the fence and haven't bought anything. As far as reliability goes, I think I'd be more comfortable buying a new truck in 1999 lol. Your biggest fear would be getting a GM that knocked, but we now know it would still run 200k miles.
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ducgsxr (01-25-2015)
01-25-2015, 09:01 AM
#54
Junior Member
If GM didn't have cylinder deactivation, that seems to shorten the life of the 5.3 substantially, I'd be looking to buy GM. If Ford can't build a reliable V8 or turbo diesel (you said it), I sure as hell wouldn't trust the reliability of the same company's twin turbo gas v6?!? The 5.0 would be ideal (for me) if it got its power at about 1k rpm less. 3.73's would help. But I do not believe (and deep down I don't think anyone else does either) a turbo gas engine will be as reliable long term as a naturally aspirated engine. The same company is making both motors..and you're telling me the forced induction engine will be more reliable? Ok..
It all comes down to personal preference. You either are comfortable with one or the other. A new concept is not something I personally feel comfortable with considering the auto industry's lack of reliability on any level.
As for buying the GM with the cylinder reactivation, they have done that before in the Cadillac and had to (under penalty by the governments) replace those engines. GM and Chrysler both are brands that I refuse to support because of the bailout with federal money and then jacking up the prices to pass along to us, the taxpayers.
Ford is a better product in my mind, even absent the government buyout issue. I initially wanted a Tundra but about 95% of the models on dealer lots is the 5.7 engine, which can pass anything on the road except a gas station.
So it all comes down to what the guy in the mirror feels comfortable with. And for me, its the 5.0.
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01-25-2015, 09:18 AM
#55
I don't think it is the engine that is the question, but the turbos. The historically have had reliability issues because they have to spin at such great RPMS. With the advances in lubrication, that has lessened the problem but in the end, they have to be replaced at some point and that effects the engine. The 5.0 will never have that issue. It will have other issues, just as the two EB engines with moving parts and wear out.
It all comes down to personal preference. You either are comfortable with one or the other. A new concept is not something I personally feel comfortable with considering the auto industry's lack of reliability on any level.
As for buying the GM with the cylinder reactivation, they have done that before in the Cadillac and had to (under penalty by the governments) replace those engines. GM and Chrysler both are brands that I refuse to support because of the bailout with federal money and then jacking up the prices to pass along to us, the taxpayers.
Ford is a better product in my mind, even absent the government buyout issue. I initially wanted a Tundra but about 95% of the models on dealer lots is the 5.7 engine, which can pass anything on the road except a gas station.
So it all comes down to what the guy in the mirror feels comfortable with. And for me, its the 5.0.
Nobody questions sunroofs very often.
The turbos scare me the least. what scares me is the water pump location, timing chain, and epas.
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ducgsxr (01-25-2015)
01-25-2015, 09:43 AM
#56
Traded my 2010 Taurus SHO with EB for a 5.0 F150. I know it's not the same vehicle or put through the same rigorous work as a truck but damn that EB gave me nothing but problems and this would have been I car I would have kept for 10 years. Eventually the turbos gave out @90,000 miles and I took it straight to Ford to trade it in. EB was a deal breaker for me. Had to be the 5.0
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daf62757 (01-25-2015)
01-25-2015, 09:52 AM
#57
Before this thread is over, the only powertrain that will be trusted is your own two feet in a Fred Flinstone car. Sigh...
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daf62757 (01-25-2015)
01-25-2015, 01:18 PM
#58
There was a 2011 5.0 on ebay with 253,000 miles......
01-25-2015, 02:45 PM
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